MGiani719
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Post by MGiani719 on May 9, 2015 23:04:20 GMT -5
When is the proper time to use this with the wind and how should you aim?
Like lets I have the wind blowing right 10 mph.....should I aim left and draw it back right? Or should I just leave the aim marker center and put a less draw on and keep it straight?
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Post by Knock25Out on May 9, 2015 23:18:09 GMT -5
I use the "ride the wind" technique. I play straight shots with no draw or fade, just adjust my aim to what I believe the wind will do to the ball. The draw and fade never works as well as I want it to
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Post by Shawn O'Brian on May 10, 2015 7:11:53 GMT -5
Well it depends. If you want distance, then ride the wind. If you need accuracy on the approach use draw and fade to counteract the wind. Riding the wind is a bit of a guessing game at first, but eventually you can get your aim down. Draw and fade. I think most guys, as a rule of thumb go one full box on the grid for every 10 mph of wind. Adjust for more or less or for wind not exactly across.
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Post by Shawn O'Brian on May 10, 2015 7:13:49 GMT -5
Also, you will lose distance when drawing or fading against wind. Just like loft. Keep that in mind. That's fighting the wind. Sometimes you need to fight it sometimes it's your friend.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on May 10, 2015 8:59:48 GMT -5
Also, you will lose distance when drawing or fading against wind. Just like loft. Keep that in mind. That's fighting the wind. Sometimes you need to fight it sometimes it's your friend. I'm really not sure that's the case. To answer the question, i ride the wind off the tee (reducing the cone too much with the driver is a risky game) but use draw/fade for approach shots. It's a difficult adjustment but if you take the time to learn it it's infinitely more accurate than trying to ride the wind (which is in essence, guessing) |
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Post by Shawn O'Brian on May 10, 2015 9:35:13 GMT -5
It's sure does. I assure you. Played my own ghost to test it.
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Post by Shawn O'Brian on May 10, 2015 11:34:06 GMT -5
It's ball physics. Path of least resisistance. Like driving into a head on wind, drawing or fading into a cross wind will knock the ball down, lose distance. The higher the wind and the more drw or fade required the more distance will be reduced.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 15:18:19 GMT -5
Also, you will lose distance when drawing or fading against wind. Just like loft. Keep that in mind. That's fighting the wind. Sometimes you need to fight it sometimes it's your friend. I'm really not sure that's the case. To answer the question, i ride the wind off the tee (reducing the cone too much with the driver is a risky game) but use draw/fade for approach shots. It's a difficult adjustment but if you take the time to learn it it's infinitely more accurate than trying to ride the wind (which is in essence, guessing) Got any tips for how much draw/fade to apply against certain wind speeds? e.g one box for every 10mph wind. Does it affect the distance much? I believe fading will usually give a softer landing, so does drawing/fading into the wind also give softer landings? |
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Post by Shawn O'Brian on May 11, 2015 15:35:07 GMT -5
As far as what I do, and I'm no expert at it yet. I go 1/2 a box for 5 mph, 1 full box for 10 mph, a box and a half for 15 mph etc, etc. It does effect distance. As I stated above, it is about friction. The ball flying against the wind is to forces acting against each other. The result is less distance. How much? I'm not sure on that but I know it happens, especially on a drive when the ball is in the air a long time. The shorter the shot, the less effect. Like Power + Time - wind resistance = distance. I don't do the actual math on it, I just guess really. You will just have to play with it to get it down. Its not real hard. It will be memory before you know. Now, if you want to be exact, then you will have to find somebody that has done the math. I know they are out there. Cruise the Forum under "Tips and Tricks" I'm sure you can find something there.
Oh, one more tip. Sometimes it is better to just go with the wind. Well, most of the time. This is just all about aiming. It maximizes the distance. So on drives, this is what you want to do, UNLESS, you have a very tight landing zone and it needs to be really accurate. Its a choice really. Sooner or later you just get a feel for how certain amounts of wind will move the ball and adjust aim to compensate for it. Its very much like the real thing. Kind of a guessing game. The better you get at guessing the better you will become. Peace! |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 15:41:03 GMT -5
Cheers Shawn!
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Post by Shawn O'Brian on May 11, 2015 15:49:37 GMT -5
Welcome Friend!!
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Post by Brighttail on May 11, 2015 22:40:23 GMT -5
The amount you use for playing a fade into a hook wind is negligible in this game for some reason. I use fade/draw on 90% of my shots. Only time I don't use it is if I have a tail wind and a big fairway. Approach shots are almost 100% in using this. It is just another technique that some like some don't. There are many players, some in the elite status, that ride the wind.
As for how much to use, it varies on the speed of the wind and the club you use. Longer clubs require less fade/draw. More lofted clubs require a bit more as the ball is in the air longer/higher.
I don't think anyone has a 'chart' for it, as I had to practice practice practice.
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Post by muskyking on May 28, 2015 23:54:46 GMT -5
1 and a half boxes for 15 hr wind is way to much. Where u drunk when u did that calculation?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 0:21:57 GMT -5
I go by 13/14mph for one grid box
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Post by NCFCRulz on May 30, 2015 4:20:15 GMT -5
As far as what I do, and I'm no expert at it yet. I go 1/2 a box for 5 mph, 1 full box for 10 mph, a box and a half for 15 mph etc, etc. It does effect distance. As I stated above, it is about friction. The ball flying against the wind is to forces acting against each other. The result is less distance. How much? I'm not sure on that but I know it happens, especially on a drive when the ball is in the air a long time. The shorter the shot, the less effect. Like Power + Time - wind resistance = distance. I don't do the actual math on it, I just guess really. You will just have to play with it to get it down. Its not real hard. It will be memory before you know. Now, if you want to be exact, then you will have to find somebody that has done the math. I know they are out there. Cruise the Forum under "Tips and Tricks" I'm sure you can find something there.
Oh, one more tip. Sometimes it is better to just go with the wind. Well, most of the time. This is just all about aiming. It maximizes the distance. So on drives, this is what you want to do, UNLESS, you have a very tight landing zone and it needs to be really accurate. Its a choice really. Sooner or later you just get a feel for how certain amounts of wind will move the ball and adjust aim to compensate for it. Its very much like the real thing. Kind of a guessing game. The better you get at guessing the better you will become. Peace! this except I find 1 box to be about 10mph with big clubs and 12-13 with your wedges. As Shawn states its all about wind resistance, by fading into wind you are effectively turning that sideways wind into 1 that is now against you, but obviously not as much as straight in your face However Brighttail is right. The impact this has in game is next to nothing. Through my rigorous testing iv found by fading into a perfect side on 10mph wind to get a straight path you will only lose between 1-2 yards carry |
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