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Post by gatorman on Jun 22, 2022 21:10:42 GMT -5
I am most often just above or below the cut line in CC-I. While I enjoy playing the game, getting in the last 2 rounds when I am 10 shots behind a promo mark gets tedious. I'm never going to catch the top 15%, but I don't want the demo mark for not completing my rounds. Maybe the cut line should be at 40% or 50%, so if you make the cut, you might actually have a shot at a promo mark, and really have something to play for. Any thoughts?
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Post by schmiff on Jun 23, 2022 6:19:06 GMT -5
I don't see much point in having a cut line at all to be honest - I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. It's not like real life where they want less players around in the final 2 rounds to speed things up around the course. I hate getting cut because I still want to feel like more than 2 of my weekly rounds mean something and I still want to be able to see my score up there alongside other players. It's also why I don't want to be promoted from CC-A to Kinetic again because in Kinetic I miss most of the cuts and start to lose interest.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jun 23, 2022 12:14:09 GMT -5
I don't see much point in having a cut line at all to be honest - I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. It's not like real life where they want less players around in the final 2 rounds to speed things up around the course. I hate getting cut because I still want to feel like more than 2 of my weekly rounds mean something and I still want to be able to see my score up there alongside other players. It's also why I don't want to be promoted from CC-A to Kinetic again because in Kinetic I miss most of the cuts and start to lose interest. I agree. Not a real life golfer. Don't really follow the Pro's. But enjoy playing games so I'd prefer all 4 of my rounds to count for something every week. I think there still need to be demo's for not finishing though. Why bother starting if you ain't going to finish (I appreciate occasionally real life can get in the way but that can get in the way even if you make the cut).
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 23, 2022 12:31:23 GMT -5
I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. When demotion marks were originally introduced, this system was in place in CC. What happened regularly was that players in danger of receiving demotion marks just DNF'd to avoid them. There is no perfect system.
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Post by gatorman on Jun 23, 2022 14:18:09 GMT -5
I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. When demotion marks were originally introduced, this system was in place in CC. What happened regularly was that players in danger of receiving demotion marks just DNF'd to avoid them. There is no perfect system. I think it could be perfected. If I make the cut, I'm not getting a demotion mark, so why should I get a demo mark if I don't play the final 2 rounds. I think if you start the event you need to play 2 rounds or get a demo mark.
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Post by Doyley on Jun 23, 2022 14:40:57 GMT -5
When demotion marks were originally introduced, this system was in place in CC. What happened regularly was that players in danger of receiving demotion marks just DNF'd to avoid them. There is no perfect system. I think it could be perfected. If I make the cut, I'm not getting a demotion mark, so why should I get a demo mark if I don't play the final 2 rounds. I think if you start the event you need to play 2 rounds or get a demo mark. If you make the cut and don't complete the last two rounds you're just stealing a spot from someone that just missed out on the cut. What's in place now is there to get as many people to complete their event as possible.
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Post by schmiff on Jun 23, 2022 16:13:24 GMT -5
I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. When demotion marks were originally introduced, this system was in place in CC. What happened regularly was that players in danger of receiving demotion marks just DNF'd to avoid them. There is no perfect system. Fair enough. Maybe have a 'cut' line but allow people to carry on and keep showing their scores if they keep playing, but don't demo mark them if they withdraw at that point. They could be shown on the leaderboard but marked as Cut and not given a numerical position.
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woolmerc
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Post by woolmerc on Aug 3, 2022 6:41:15 GMT -5
Hi schmiff - some interesting thoughts. Just in case you didn't know, when you are cut, if you complete your final rounds your scores will still show up in the tournament at the top of the page, and you can see all the stats for those rounds - you just click on the scorecard link. But what I think you want, is for you to be ranked progressively against the others even when you are cut. Maybe a future enhancement may allow what you are after. You could add a button to the leaderboard screen that inserts you and cut players back into the scoring ladder. Any thoughts on that?
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Aug 3, 2022 7:03:20 GMT -5
I don't see much point in having a cut line at all to be honest - I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. It's not like real life where they want less players around in the final 2 rounds to speed things up around the course. I hate getting cut because I still want to feel like more than 2 of my weekly rounds mean something and I still want to be able to see my score up there alongside other players. It's also why I don't want to be promoted from CC-A to Kinetic again because in Kinetic I miss most of the cuts and start to lose interest. No. Having players make the cut and not finish robs those who just missed the cut from the opportunity to play the weekend. Furthermore, in the past, a player did not finish their round 3/4 because they did not see a chance to win the tournament, so they did not finish. This is taking away from those that just missed the cut.
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Post by schmiff on Aug 3, 2022 7:20:46 GMT -5
I don't see much point in having a cut line at all to be honest - I'd be happy if they got rid of it and removed the punishment for not finishing. It's not like real life where they want less players around in the final 2 rounds to speed things up around the course. I hate getting cut because I still want to feel like more than 2 of my weekly rounds mean something and I still want to be able to see my score up there alongside other players. It's also why I don't want to be promoted from CC-A to Kinetic again because in Kinetic I miss most of the cuts and start to lose interest. No. Having players make the cut and not finish robs those who just missed the cut from the opportunity to play the weekend. Furthermore, in the past, a player did not finish their round 3/4 because they did not see a chance to win the tournament, so they did not finish. This is taking away from those that just missed the cut. I agree, that's entirely my point about getting rid of the cut completely so people don't miss out. However I understand the point above about people deliberately not finishing to avoid demo marks.
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Post by schmiff on Aug 3, 2022 7:31:40 GMT -5
Hi schmiff - some interesting thoughts. Just in case you didn't know, when you are cut, if you complete your final rounds your scores will still show up in the tournament at the top of the page, and you can see all the stats for those rounds - you just click on the scorecard link. But what I think you want, is for you to be ranked progressively against the others even when you are cut. Maybe a future enhancement may allow what you are after. You could add a button to the leaderboard screen that inserts you and cut players back into the scoring ladder. Any thoughts on that? Yeah, it's kind of a psychological thing I guess, but missing a cut and having your final 2 rounds mean nothing is discouraging, even though I'm aware you can still see your own scores. The whole point of playing online is so everyone can see how other people are scoring, and missing a cut kind of turns the last 2 rounds into a single player experience. Being able to manipulate your own view of the leaderboard doesn't really help with that if the default has dropped you from everyone else's view. This is just me thinking out loud - I'm aware there's no easy solution but I feel like it needs something tweaking. At the moment missing the cut just feels bad and each time I get promoted to Kinetic I rapidly lose interest until I'm demoted again because I only get 2 rounds that mean anything. The system shouldn't make players want to be demoted (or worse, deliberately DNF to get demo marks).
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Post by up mup kupen nup on Aug 3, 2022 9:08:02 GMT -5
I only get 2 rounds that mean anything. What do you play when you're done with TGCTours for the week? I ask because there are many additional societies (some, like the Run Bad Tour or the Course Designer Tour, are even cross platform) where you could get to play rounds that 'mean something'. I recommend having a look at the board Societies & Commnuity Run Events to check if there's something fitting your needs. Of course, there are different degrees of 'meaning something', and we certainly agree that the TGCTours events are the most important ones. However, I'd say those community run society rounds (if played regularly) can still be considered more 'meaningful', than, say, a casual 1v1 against some online opponent or the 2K21 career mode. Maybe check out a team event like the Brew Crew or the Dirtbags? Here, all four CC rounds count AND are meaningful because you don't want to let your team down. Most societies also have an active Discord (the two I mentioned above, RBT and CDT, certainly have), where you can engage directly with other participants (instead of just passively looking at the TGCT leaderboard and writing an occasional forum post), thus massively improving your gaming experience. As a Platinum player not belonging to WGR 50 or above, I often miss cuts, and these community run societies and events provide incentives for spending more time with the game. I hope this helps a little. Cheers, Kevin
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Post by dime5150 on Aug 3, 2022 10:03:48 GMT -5
They need a one time reorganization of all CC tiers based on the last months scoring. There shouldn't be people in I or J shooting 45-50 under
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Post by prowse00 on Aug 3, 2022 10:28:22 GMT -5
I only get 2 rounds that mean anything. What do you play when you're done with TGCTours for the week? I ask because there are many additional societies (some, like the Run Bad Tour or the Course Designer Tour, are even cross platform) where you could get to play rounds that 'mean something'. I recommend having a look at the board Societies & Commnuity Run Events to check if there's something fitting your needs. Of course, there are different degrees of 'meaning something', and we certainly agree that the TGCTours events are the most important ones. However, I'd say those community run society rounds (if played regularly) can still be considered more 'meaningful', than, say, a casual 1v1 against some online opponent or the 2K21 career mode. Maybe check out a team event like the Brew Crew? Here, all four CC rounds count AND are meaningful because you don't want to let your team down. Most societies also have an active Discord (the two I mentioned above, RBT and CDT, certainly have), where you can engage directly with other participants (instead of just passively looking at the TGCT leaderboard and writing an occasional forum post), thus massively improving your gaming experience. As a Platinum player not belonging to WGR 50 or above, I often miss cuts, and these community run societies and events provide incentives for spending more time with the game. I hope this helps a little. Cheers, Kevin Love the Brew Crew but as a PS player played with the Diamond Pond for a little while. They have quite a few different events that you can sign up for. Most recently though have found myself playing Course Designer Tour. Really good cross platform setup.
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Post by schmiff on Aug 3, 2022 11:47:27 GMT -5
I only get 2 rounds that mean anything. What do you play when you're done with TGCTours for the week? I ask because there are many additional societies (some, like the Run Bad Tour or the Course Designer Tour, are even cross platform) where you could get to play rounds that 'mean something'. I recommend having a look at the board Societies & Commnuity Run Events to check if there's something fitting your needs. Of course, there are different degrees of 'meaning something', and we certainly agree that the TGCTours events are the most important ones. However, I'd say those community run society rounds (if played regularly) can still be considered more 'meaningful', than, say, a casual 1v1 against some online opponent or the 2K21 career mode. Maybe check out a team event like the Brew Crew? Here, all four CC rounds count AND are meaningful because you don't want to let your team down. Most societies also have an active Discord (the two I mentioned above, RBT and CDT, certainly have), where you can engage directly with other participants (instead of just passively looking at the TGCT leaderboard and writing an occasional forum post), thus massively improving your gaming experience. As a Platinum player not belonging to WGR 50 or above, I often miss cuts, and these community run societies and events provide incentives for spending more time with the game. I hope this helps a little. Cheers, Kevin Thanks Kevin, yes you're right there are other events to get involved in. I'm a member of the Dirtbags but it's on a break at the moment until the new season. However I'm not complaining that there aren't enough ways to play the game, just pointing out that any system that uses a cut will lead to player disengagement by its very nature. I'll be sure to check out those Discords though
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