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Post by daddyjules on Oct 18, 2014 7:08:04 GMT -5
Am i the only one getting constantly frustrsted by nailing pins to then watch painfully as the ball ends up in the rough 12 yards away. I no some greens are firm but this aint realistic on every type of course and its really angering me!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 9:56:09 GMT -5
I know I have to land short of the pin for the roll-out if I'm hitting a 9-iron or stronger.
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IlludiumQ36
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Post by IlludiumQ36 on Oct 18, 2014 11:10:04 GMT -5
Sounds like your frustration is more with course designers than the game physics (which I do agree needs some work). Too many designers try to make their courses birdie-proof and using front-tucked pins on fast/firm greens is one of their tactics - along with leaving no roll-out green space. I think having a hole like that is good when it's done in moderation. A well-designed course will have a good mix of pins to attack, pins to avoid, and pins with a risk/reward positioning.
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Post by daddyjules on Oct 18, 2014 15:07:19 GMT -5
Those courses for the q school seem to be troubling me right now especially son gual. That course is really stressing me lol
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Post by thrangar on Oct 18, 2014 15:18:09 GMT -5
What I am starting to notice is that more designers (long timers also) know of the excessive spin on flop and choked pitch shots, some of the new courses have 75% of their pins setting on a downhill slope from front to back with no way to reach the green in reg its game over design and seem to be catching on.
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Post by thrangar on Oct 18, 2014 15:20:41 GMT -5
Those courses for the q school seem to be troubling me right now especially son gual. That course is really stressing me lol son gual just irritates me to no end, it isn't designed to create a shot, its just fire and hope all goes well, leave everthing short is your only hope, and only if the wind is on you side that day |
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Post by Mitchblue on Oct 18, 2014 16:36:20 GMT -5
I don't mind the "aim short and roll up to the pin strategy" but most times there's no room. Though I also don't mind hard holes like this, fair to all. My biggest con are the long par 4's with heavy windy in my face..that I can't reach. And unless I can hit like Phil Mickerson..I just played a course, par 4..555 yards - uphill. Even low wind it's impossible to reach GIR.
I've been taking notes on these course for Q-School, don't hit driver, stay left of the flag etc. Hopefully it helps..
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Post by Rhaegar99 on Oct 18, 2014 18:18:59 GMT -5
I really wish spin control would be include based on club face and stance. I get tired of actually landing within a foot of the hole and then having to get up and down from the back of the green.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 20:28:04 GMT -5
Just remember that everybody has to play the same courses and will have to deal with the same situations.
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Post by boo_stik on Oct 19, 2014 3:21:05 GMT -5
Those courses for the q school seem to be troubling me right now especially son gual. That course is really stressing me lol son gual just irritates me to no end, it isn't designed to create a shot, its just fire and hope all goes well, leave everthing short is your only hope, and only if the wind is on you side that day I'm going to stick up for the course to a certain point. It's a par to -5 score course which I'm all for except there one hole on the front 9 that sort of spoils the course, if you miss a short putt from the front of the green your next putt could be 70ft return putt. I wish the game would adopt the rule of there has to be a certain distance between the fringe and the flag especially on desert course when a couple of things that can happen 1 pitch short and role through. Hit the fringe and roll through or pitch 10ft short of the pin and roll through lol. |
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Post by daddyjules on Oct 19, 2014 9:14:24 GMT -5
Just remember that everybody has to play the same courses and will have to deal with the same situations. I understand we all have to deal with these situations and il be the first to admit that I'm not the best at this game and haven't play it anywhere near as much as most gamers but as a keen real life golfer this ain't realistic and it just bugs me because I love this game in general |
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Post by Sassy Lady on Oct 19, 2014 9:43:07 GMT -5
Q-School is usually harder than regular tour play. It's supposed to be. It happens like this in the real life PGA. They want the best for their top tour. This association is no different; they want the best for their top tour as well. You don't find the best by giving easy challenges. You find the best by giving hard challenges and seeing who rises to the top.
And unless I get real lucky, I won't be one of the ones who rises to the top, but that's ok. So long as I can compete somewhere, even if I don't have much of a chance, I'm happy. I can practice and practice and practice, but there in nothing like competition to make you better. |
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Post by karma4u on Oct 20, 2014 14:35:55 GMT -5
Agree with the OP and others, many greens are too firm, Especially when designed with no front landing areas where you can hit to and allow for the roll on.
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Post by Sassy Lady on Oct 20, 2014 15:17:53 GMT -5
Yep. That's why these courses were selected for Q-School. You get onto the PGA on these courses, you've done something. About the only course of these that I care for is Harbor Island Black. But I'm glad they chose these courses. If I do get a PGA or Web.com tour card, I'll know I've earned it. And if I don't it's cause I'm not good enough, which means I get to play the Champions Tour to get better. You have to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run.
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Post by Crimson Nagus on Oct 20, 2014 16:59:21 GMT -5
...Too many designers try to make their courses birdie-proof... I agree and I just don't understand this design philosophy. I understand that we don't want to see -18 on every course and round like but, there is nothing wrong with shooting -5. Some of the designers seem like they trying to force folks to shoot 5+ or worse. I think you should have a chance to birdie every hole. Now, some holes should require more strategically placed shots or have more of a risk to earn that birdie while others are more routine. If there is a hole were a birdie is all but impossible then I think the designer has failed. I'm starting to see more and more extremely long par 4s and I think they are ridiculous and stupid design decisions. I think some designers forget that sometimes we have 15mph winds in our face and these long par 4s can quickly become double bogie holes even with well placed shots. It's a balancing act of being challenging and requiring shot shaping without being hard for hard's sake. |
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