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Post by litng on Jan 3, 2022 14:21:23 GMT -5
I understand wanting to level the playing field among the systems, but other than that, wanting to play an easier golf game has nothing to do with anything other than how you feel about yourself. If not for the master difficulty making it noticeably harder on Xbox, you otherwise still place the same in competition. I still stand firmly with my last statement on my original post. Golf is a game about overcoming personal struggles, and if you need to see unrealistically low numbers to feel good about yourself then this sport is not for you.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jan 3, 2022 14:44:41 GMT -5
I understand wanting to level the playing field among the systems, but other than that, wanting to play an easier golf game has nothing to do with anything other than how you feel about yourself. If not for the master difficulty making it noticeably harder on Xbox, you otherwise still place the same in competition. I still stand firmly with my last statement on my original post. Golf is a game about overcoming personal struggles, and if you need to see unrealistically low numbers to feel good about yourself then this sport is not for you. I would imagine you're preaching to the choir with the vast majority of forum users mate. The unfortunate truth (I think, at least) is nowhere near enough people were playing (or donating) on Master to make the site viable and hopefully Pro will help with that. At the end of the day to me TGCT is more a bit of fun and a place to compare cross platform scores as best as the game allows. Edit: Just to be clear I'm not saying preaching to the choir in the sense of 'we all want it changed back' moreso that a lot of the guys prefer masters but understand that fairness between consoles and player count / engagement means Pro is probably the right move for the site. Just in case that came across muddled.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jan 3, 2022 15:03:59 GMT -5
I understand wanting to level the playing field among the systems, but other than that, wanting to play an easier golf game has nothing to do with anything other than how you feel about yourself. If not for the master difficulty making it noticeably harder on Xbox, you otherwise still place the same in competition. I still stand firmly with my last statement on my original post. Golf is a game about overcoming personal struggles, and if you need to see unrealistically low numbers to feel good about yourself then this sport is not for you. Personally I don't feel good about shooting unrealistically low numbers, in fact I find it an extra pressure. You can't afford to mess up at all. All I can suggest is you get yourself a society on all 3 systems, choose courses, play test said courses, set courses and conditions up in all 3 societies, set difficulty to Master and you have your dream cross platform society. Just need to attract enough players to make it worthwhile, weed out the obvious cheaters and do all the Admin. TGCT supply all this for free. Nobody is required to donate to play. With TGCT it's not about making things as easy or as hard as possible, it's about providing something, across all 3 platforms, that the majority can take part in and enjoy. That is their focus. If that does not fit with your requirements you can try my suggestion. I think we are very lucky to have what we have.
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jan 3, 2022 15:57:43 GMT -5
It's a matter of perspective, I suppose. If the really good players are shooting realistic scores (realistic to the PGA let's say), that means the rest of us would be shooting - well, probably shooting a lot like we do in real life. No thanks. Bottom line is, y'all would probably be playing by yourselves. There wouldn't be a TGC Tours, and there probably wouldn't be a PGA 2k23 incoming. Well said. A good sport game caters to multiple skill types. If every sport game was made to be extremely difficult the games would no longer exist. As I get older now (mid 50's) the hand/eye coordination is beginning to fade, and at some point I'll be forcing myself to drop down a level or two. A video game is just a game, enjoy it the way you like.
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Post by litng on Jan 3, 2022 16:21:46 GMT -5
I understand wanting to level the playing field among the systems, but other than that, wanting to play an easier golf game has nothing to do with anything other than how you feel about yourself. If not for the master difficulty making it noticeably harder on Xbox, you otherwise still place the same in competition. I still stand firmly with my last statement on my original post. Golf is a game about overcoming personal struggles, and if you need to see unrealistically low numbers to feel good about yourself then this sport is not for you. Personally I don't feel good about shooting unrealistically low numbers, in fact I find it an extra pressure. You can't afford to mess up at all. All I can suggest is you get yourself a society on all 3 systems, choose courses, play test said courses, set courses and conditions up in all 3 societies, set difficulty to Master and you have your dream cross platform society. Just need to attract enough players to make it worthwhile, weed out the obvious cheaters and do all the Admin. TGCT supply all this for free. Nobody is required to donate to play. With TGCT it's not about making things as easy or as hard as possible, it's about providing something, across all 3 platforms, that the majority can take part in and enjoy. That is their focus. If that does not fit with your requirements you can try my suggestion. I think we are very lucky to have what we have. This is an incredible point.
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Post by twofor22 on Jan 3, 2022 19:33:18 GMT -5
I don't mind the settings as they are now. Taking away the lie grid and marker info has kind of offset the easier swing difficulty. I often find myself studying my golfer to figure out if he's on a side hill lie or not. Watching the ball from behind as it rolls out on the fairway helps but it's nothing like having that lie grid. Unless it's plainly obvious it's not always easy to tell the degree of slope. Putting hasn't changed much if at all, and that's where I tend to drop shots, especially on those annoying little short putts with lots of break. I know the scores are ridiculous but I always feel like I can compete if I can land enough approaches that set up good birdie chances. Trouble is lately I haven't been able to consistently do that and I miss more cuts than I make, but I still score well enough to avoid demotion. Currently in Elite, which I got promoted to right at the end of last season after beginning in CCE. The 3 Pro Tours would have higher scores in Pro settings if they tuned the scout cam off and follow cam off. You hit the ball and you have to watch it from where you hit. I know it is somewhat Tru Sim I’d keep the green grids on so you can to see the breaks and slopes from where you are on the green but unfortunately you could not scout cam the putt either. This would make Pro settings a little more difficult for the actual Pro players in those tours. And of course the “freaks” would still destroy courses but overall the scoring would be much higher as all 450 or so Pro Players are not all going to be at the same skill level as some play more and some play less. TGC Tours was just one week too early with Week 1 as the Master settings was fine tuned even better. But too late and we must all wait for the new game and then start the conversations all over again. I get the idea behind that but I think it would turn a lot of people off. The perspective looking from where you stand on the screen isn't much like standing on a real course looking down the fairway. It's not the same looking at the stance trying to figure out the slope as it is standing on the ground being able to feel it. And if you're on a real Pro tour they all have greens books and whatever to figure out where to aim approach shots. I know the swing is relatively easy on pro difficulty but I think a lot of what causes low scores is that putting is a piece of piss compared to real life, but the only way to make that more difficult is to remove green grids or make the slopes so ridiculous that nobody would sink a putt longer than a couple of metres. I am in a society that still uses the old tours settings, and it's incredibly frustrating. The master difficulty I think is too sensitive, when you can hit ten swings that all feel the same and get ten different tempo results...that's ridiculous. The ideal solution to me is to have a difficulty that's between pro and master. Have a small perfect window but don't make it so sensitive that you have to be accurate to the millisecond to hit it. The window on pro isn't that much bigger once I swing, but I never get the dispersion on it that I do on master.
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Post by dime5150 on Jan 4, 2022 11:34:27 GMT -5
Being that the cut line for the lower tours is hovering around -15, I'd say up the difficulty again.
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Post by dime5150 on Jan 4, 2022 11:35:27 GMT -5
I shoot for -10 a round, if I hit that I'm happy, I cant help it if some sandbagger shoots -28 for two rounds in CC-J
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Post by lessthanbread on Jan 4, 2022 14:23:53 GMT -5
Tiger begs to differ:
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Post by catcherman22 on Jan 4, 2022 15:17:42 GMT -5
Being that the cut line for the lower tours is hovering around -15, I'd say up the difficulty again. This could be the easiest week I've scheduled all year... has nothing to do with the difficulty level.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jan 4, 2022 16:23:00 GMT -5
The scoring is a bit crazy this week but most weeks it's ok. It's all relative, we're all playing the same game.
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on Jan 4, 2022 17:08:58 GMT -5
Being that the cut line for the lower tours is hovering around -15, I'd say up the difficulty again. This could be the easiest week I've scheduled all year... has nothing to do with the difficulty level. Just played the first two rounds out of curiosity. You're not kidding about how easy the course and setup are!
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Post by bennettbong on Jan 5, 2022 21:33:48 GMT -5
I still play TGC settings with master swing and meter for putting. I participate in one society that has these options. Unfortunately, xbox vibration delay makes putting using TGC settings result in many reds.
I typically shoot -3 to -7 in a round on most TGC approved courses. I would love to see a bracket with these settings. Like in the pga, some drives hook or slice and some approach shots end up in the bunker or rough. The short game does work but will frustrate you if you are not in rhythm.
I find these settings much more competitive and realistic. The pro settings seem more like a putting contest. I recognize the pro settings have been great for membership so I get it. I would just like to see TGC add a bracket similar to the beer league.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 27, 2022 17:05:48 GMT -5
It's a matter of perspective, I suppose. If the really good players are shooting realistic scores (realistic to the PGA let's say), that means the rest of us would be shooting - well, probably shooting a lot like we do in real life. No thanks. Bottom line is, y'all would probably be playing by yourselves. There wouldn't be a TGC Tours, and there probably wouldn't be a PGA 2k23 incoming. Master swing difficulty is actually not that hard with all aids on, on PC and PlayStation. We still have a totally unrealistic short game on pro and master. Just look at the stats on TST you will still have about 30 to 40 players each week with 100 percent scrambling stats which is so unrealistic (chip and awful splash shot mechanic). Unfortunately very few are interested in playing ultra sim settings on masters or even Pro settings. Arcade golf will always be for the masses and you'll get your crazy low scores on even TGCTOURS sim tour. Would love to see a real sim tour here but with the game being broken on xbox and the lack of interest for a truly challenging golf game it is just crazy dream. Tbh are we looking at lower scores here than Mario Golf, and I am not talking about the best players on the tours these are median numbers. "All Aids On" is simply a way to emphasize the physical joystick movement over analyzing/interpreting the lie/conditions. I prefer to emphasize the latter - at 63, my hands are not exactly steady as a surgeon's, LOL. So I use a bare minimum of assists - green grid and wind meter w/no mph. Actually, for me personally, putting on Master is my nemesis - full shots are not that exacting. But with the short, slower movement required it's tough for me to stay steady & straight.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 27, 2022 17:12:42 GMT -5
I still play TGC settings with master swing and meter for putting. I participate in one society that has these options. Unfortunately, xbox vibration delay makes putting using TGC settings result in many reds. I typically shoot -3 to -7 in a round on most TGC approved courses. I would love to see a bracket with these settings. Like in the pga, some drives hook or slice and some approach shots end up in the bunker or rough. The short game does work but will frustrate you if you are not in rhythm. I find these settings much more competitive and realistic. The pro settings seem more like a putting contest. I recognize the pro settings have been great for membership so I get it. I would just like to see TGC add a bracket similar to the beer league. Since you mention 'vibration delay', I can ask what exactly is "realistic" about having your club vibrate in your hand to tell you it's time to start the downswing The most basic realism in golf is that YOU have to decide how far/hard/when to swing your own damn club. Vibration & meters are the most basic form of a crutch you can choose in the game.
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