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Post by litng on Dec 31, 2021 15:12:42 GMT -5
What is the point of playing a game that isn't challenging? Hitting an eagle on master clubs is a reason to celebrate, hitting an eagle on pro clubs is expected and completely empty. Hitting a -14 is completely meaningless on pro clubs, hitting a -6 on master clubs makes your day. Everyone is on a level playing field whether the game is easy or hard, so your scores relative to others is based purely on each of your skills either way. If you can't handle struggling, golf isn't for you.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Dec 31, 2021 15:50:39 GMT -5
Other than your erroneous assumption that everyone is of equal hand/eye coordination & steadiness, and thus the erroneous 'eagle with Pro is expected', you're spot on.
Eagle on Pro for this old guy is rarely expected. On Master it takes a generous hole design and 3 consecutive strokes without a millimeter slip-up !
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Post by litng on Dec 31, 2021 16:00:07 GMT -5
I'll also say I looked at someone's post showing actual statistics between the three platforms and their performances since I made this post and apparently there is a significant difference in difficulty between the three that was exacerbated by the master club setting. In that case, the switch to pro clubs is reasonable, but it has still absolutely watered down my enjoyment of the game.
I will also admit to exaggerating on the "eagle is expected" bit
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Dec 31, 2021 16:18:01 GMT -5
I'll also say I looked at someone's post showing actual statistics between the three platforms and their performances since I made this post and apparently there is a significant difference in difficulty between the three that was exacerbated by the master club setting. In that case, the switch to pro clubs is reasonable, but it has still absolutely watered down my enjoyment of the game. I will also admit to exaggerating on the "eagle is expected" bit And at the end of the day, as you say, it’s a game. I have to admit to agreeing with you since the last HB/2K patch however that patch came (1) too late for TGCT to consider and (2) not sure it fully addresses the cross platform (the goal of TGCT) disparity at Master level which was behind the move to Pro.
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Post by Brenelan on Dec 31, 2021 17:08:33 GMT -5
It's a matter of perspective, I suppose. If the really good players are shooting realistic scores (realistic to the PGA let's say), that means the rest of us would be shooting - well, probably shooting a lot like we do in real life. No thanks.
Bottom line is, y'all would probably be playing by yourselves. There wouldn't be a TGC Tours, and there probably wouldn't be a PGA 2k23 incoming.
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Post by deacondrake on Jan 1, 2022 17:52:36 GMT -5
What is the point of playing a game that isn't challenging? Hitting an eagle on master clubs is a reason to celebrate, hitting an eagle on pro clubs is expected and completely empty. Hitting a -14 is completely meaningless on pro clubs, hitting a -6 on master clubs makes your day. Everyone is on a level playing field whether the game is easy or hard, so your scores relative to others is based purely on each of your skills either way. If you can't handle struggling, golf isn't for you. At some point, the level of difficulty of the courses selected needs to increase to match the ease of game play. Every par 5 can’t be 550 yards, driver/hybrid/15 foot eagle. With the gameplay as is, average players hit perfect 90% of the time… which is fine. But that sets up every hole as a grip/rip drive, then play right at the stick. Since we can’t really be penalized for bad shots sine they are so rare, designers/selectors need to discriminate against average shots. The frustrating thing is that there is very little golf strategy. Arcade style. And the doubters out there are right, just like 90% of Madden players know nothing about football Xs and Os, TGC is catering to the 90% of games that don’t have USGA cards, handicaps, club memberships, etc. True Sim was OK… I got stomped a few times and went back to CC. Hoping to get some better challenges, but this week looks like more sub 60s.
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Post by hammers1man on Jan 1, 2022 18:11:42 GMT -5
It's a matter of perspective, I suppose. If the really good players are shooting realistic scores (realistic to the PGA let's say), that means the rest of us would be shooting - well, probably shooting a lot like we do in real life. No thanks. Bottom line is, y'all would probably be playing by yourselves. There wouldn't be a TGC Tours, and there probably wouldn't be a PGA 2k23 incoming. Master swing difficulty is actually not that hard with all aids on, on PC and PlayStation. We still have a totally unrealistic short game on pro and master. Just look at the stats on TST you will still have about 30 to 40 players each week with 100 percent scrambling stats which is so unrealistic (chip and awful splash shot mechanic). Unfortunately very few are interested in playing ultra sim settings on masters or even Pro settings. Arcade golf will always be for the masses and you'll get your crazy low scores on even TGCTOURS sim tour. Would love to see a real sim tour here but with the game being broken on xbox and the lack of interest for a truly challenging golf game it is just crazy dream. Tbh are we looking at lower scores here than Mario Golf, and I am not talking about the best players on the tours these are median numbers.
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Post by woolmerc on Jan 1, 2022 21:16:26 GMT -5
What is the point of playing a game that isn't challenging? Hitting an eagle on master clubs is a reason to celebrate, hitting an eagle on pro clubs is expected and completely empty. Hitting a -14 is completely meaningless on pro clubs, hitting a -6 on master clubs makes your day. Everyone is on a level playing field whether the game is easy or hard, so your scores relative to others is based purely on each of your skills either way. If you can't handle struggling, golf isn't for you. This is all easy to say for some golfers out there. Personally I am very chuffed when I get an eagle on Pro settings. I appreciate there are outstanding players on TGC, but there are also players like me who are not elite.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 2, 2022 0:06:53 GMT -5
My scores are all relative to how much cannabis I’ve eaten.
I don’t even bother noticing other scores anymore on the tour. But I still have this pet peeve about the pro tour players posting scores on the CC leaderboards.
I understand they can do so if they want but it really ruins the spirit of the players on the CC circuit when they are looking at 4 round scores in the -70’s, regardless if that’s from players not even on CC.
I don’t understand the why those elite players even play those rounds. Make the lesser players feel uncomfortable? Flexing amongst themselves? Can’t be for practice, the CC courses are less difficult than the Pro Tour courses. But, to each their own I guess. Just a game.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jan 2, 2022 4:54:13 GMT -5
My scores are all relative to how much cannabis I’ve eaten. I don’t even bother noticing other scores anymore on the tour. But I still have this pet peeve about the pro tour players posting scores on the CC leaderboards. I understand they can do so if they want but it really ruins the spirit of the players on the CC circuit when they are looking at 4 round scores in the -70’s, regardless if that’s from players not even on CC. I don’t understand the why behind those elite players even playing those rounds. Make the lesser players feel uncomfortable? Flexing amongst themselves? Can’t be for practice, the CC courses are less difficult than the Pro Tour courses. But, to each their own I guess. Just a game. I'd imagine the majority play in Happy Tee Friends which is a (seemingly fantastic) society for Pro Tour players that uses the CC society each week. Either that or just for fun or to play the odd week with friends in those flights like I do.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 2, 2022 20:00:58 GMT -5
Someone said Masters is doable with assists & meters on, but THOSE bother me to use more than making the swing error zone more generous. What would really be a sweet spot for my game would be Masters off the tee, & long fwy shots, then Pro around & on the greens, lol.
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Post by twofor22 on Jan 2, 2022 20:56:09 GMT -5
I don't mind the settings as they are now. Taking away the lie grid and marker info has kind of offset the easier swing difficulty. I often find myself studying my golfer to figure out if he's on a side hill lie or not. Watching the ball from behind as it rolls out on the fairway helps but it's nothing like having that lie grid. Unless it's plainly obvious it's not always easy to tell the degree of slope. Putting hasn't changed much if at all, and that's where I tend to drop shots, especially on those annoying little short putts with lots of break.
I know the scores are ridiculous but I always feel like I can compete if I can land enough approaches that set up good birdie chances. Trouble is lately I haven't been able to consistently do that and I miss more cuts than I make, but I still score well enough to avoid demotion. Currently in Elite, which I got promoted to right at the end of last season after beginning in CCE.
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Post by zooby97 on Jan 3, 2022 7:03:08 GMT -5
I don't mind the settings as they are now. Taking away the lie grid and marker info has kind of offset the easier swing difficulty. I often find myself studying my golfer to figure out if he's on a side hill lie or not. Watching the ball from behind as it rolls out on the fairway helps but it's nothing like having that lie grid. Unless it's plainly obvious it's not always easy to tell the degree of slope. Putting hasn't changed much if at all, and that's where I tend to drop shots, especially on those annoying little short putts with lots of break. I know the scores are ridiculous but I always feel like I can compete if I can land enough approaches that set up good birdie chances. Trouble is lately I haven't been able to consistently do that and I miss more cuts than I make, but I still score well enough to avoid demotion. Currently in Elite, which I got promoted to right at the end of last season after beginning in CCE. The 3 Pro Tours would have higher scores in Pro settings if they tuned the scout cam off and follow cam off. You hit the ball and you have to watch it from where you hit. I know it is somewhat Tru Sim I’d keep the green grids on so you can to see the breaks and slopes from where you are on the green but unfortunately you could not scout cam the putt either. This would make Pro settings a little more difficult for the actual Pro players in those tours. And of course the “freaks” would still destroy courses but overall the scoring would be much higher as all 450 or so Pro Players are not all going to be at the same skill level as some play more and some play less. TGC Tours was just one week too early with Week 1 as the Master settings was fine tuned even better. But too late and we must all wait for the new game and then start the conversations all over again.
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Post by Brenelan on Jan 3, 2022 7:16:35 GMT -5
It's a matter of perspective, I suppose. If the really good players are shooting realistic scores (realistic to the PGA let's say), that means the rest of us would be shooting - well, probably shooting a lot like we do in real life. No thanks. Bottom line is, y'all would probably be playing by yourselves. There wouldn't be a TGC Tours, and there probably wouldn't be a PGA 2k23 incoming. Master swing difficulty is actually not that hard with all aids on, on PC and PlayStation. We still have a totally unrealistic short game on pro and master. Just look at the stats on TST you will still have about 30 to 40 players each week with 100 percent scrambling stats which is so unrealistic (chip and awful splash shot mechanic). Unfortunately very few are interested in playing ultra sim settings on masters or even Pro settings. Arcade golf will always be for the masses and you'll get your crazy low scores on even TGCTOURS sim tour. Would love to see a real sim tour here but with the game being broken on xbox and the lack of interest for a truly challenging golf game it is just crazy dream. Tbh are we looking at lower scores here than Mario Golf, and I am not talking about the best players on the tours these are median numbers. Again, I'd say that's a matter of perspective. Master swing difficulty is indeed hard for many of us, regardless of the portal. And I watch some of the better players on Twitch, and (obviously at Pro settings) I can see the difference between many Plat players and someone like Kara, who is top-10 in the WGR now. She's just more consistent for 72 holes. So even though the scores are low, for the high end players there's the opportunity to improve within the Tour setting. And I guess I'd go back to a quote from the original post - "everyone is on a level playing field whether the game is easy or hard". I think that makes the case for the change to Pro settings, as the more important factor for the tour's future is participation, especially as the game ages.
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jan 3, 2022 9:00:46 GMT -5
What is the point of playing a game that isn't challenging? Hitting an eagle on master clubs is a reason to celebrate, hitting an eagle on pro clubs is expected and completely empty. Hitting a -14 is completely meaningless on pro clubs, hitting a -6 on master clubs makes your day. Everyone is on a level playing field whether the game is easy or hard, so your scores relative to others is based purely on each of your skills either way. If you can't handle struggling, golf isn't for you. I agree with you. I still play 100% of my rounds on master but don't play as much anymore because most of the good societies I played in have moved to Pro. It's not for me. The move to Pro on Tgc Tours was to try and make it more balanced through the 3 platforms and it has worked much better according to numbers I have seen. Still PS dominant but also that's what most players choose.
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