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Post by Cecil Harvey on Oct 26, 2021 12:23:57 GMT -5
It's a real shame we can't separate the PS4 and PS5 scores. From what I hear the PS5 plays a lot closer to Xbox? The DualSense (PS5) controller is more sensitive than the DualShock4 (PS4) for swing plane, and if playing on 60 Hz (60 FPS) it takes several rounds to get used to that, but I don't find it all that much different than regular old PS4, to be honest.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Nov 1, 2021 4:12:30 GMT -5
Week 5 data here. Platinum going back to a regular week versus a week where they had a WGC and a minor side event made the cut tougher to achieve overall. This is normal stuff. Participation as a whole dipped a bit (~2%).
TOTAL TOURS (15 Events) Players : 1945 -36 compared to week 4 Made cut: 1198 -67 compared to week 4 Made cut %: 61.59% -2.07% compared to week 4
PS4 (58.82% of all players - Won 14/15 tours or 93.33%) -0.09% share and 0 winner change compared to week 4 Players : 1144 - 23 compared to week 4 Made cut: 722 - 39 compared to week 4 Made cut %: 63.11% -2.10% compared to week 4
PC (21.23% of all players - Won 1/15 tours or 6.67%) -0.12% share and -1 winner compared to week 4 Players : 413 - 10 compared to week 4 Made cut: 257 - 19 compared to week 4 Made cut %: 62.23% -3.02% compared to week 4
XB1 (19.95% of all players - Won 0/16 tours or 0.00%) +0.21% share and no change in winners compared to week 4 Players : 388 - 3 compared to week 4 Made cut: 219 - 7 compared to week 4 Made cut %: 56.44% - 1.36% compared to week 4
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Post by liebs44 on Nov 1, 2021 8:05:13 GMT -5
Definitely more participation but sad to see PC and XBox with only 1 win. No matter what you do to get a competitive balance it just won’t be enough to combat the PS4 dominance of this game. As an XBox player though I have enjoyed this game much more and do find myself nearing the top of the leaderboard more than a cut line lurker
More enjoyable - yes. More disheartening with the dominance - Hell Yes
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Post by Demonondalinks on Nov 1, 2021 8:37:20 GMT -5
Definitely more participation but sad to see PC and XBox with only 1 win. No matter what you do to get a competitive balance it just won’t be enough to combat the PS4 dominance of this game. As an XBox player though I have enjoyed this game much more and do find myself nearing the top of the leaderboard more than a cut line lurker More enjoyable - yes. More disheartening with the dominance - Hell Yes With almost 60% of players using PS4 or 5 and more than likely quite a few top tier players from xbox and PC moved over to PS4 or 5 to compete on tours it makes a lot of sense PS'rs dominate LB's.
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Post by greyosprey on Nov 1, 2021 15:46:12 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines?
And as far as the data is concerned, I wonder if it matters that we have people in the CC tiers that obviously aren't in the tier they belong? We had the winners of CC-H and K shoot -50, only to move up one tier. Yet their scores would have been good enough to win CC-B and top 10 in CC-A. The winning scores of all the CC's were inside the cutline of CC-A, and the winning scores of CC-D, E, and F would have been top 20 or better in CC-B. The latent affect is that people may just miss out on cut lines, and get demotion marks or demoted, because noticeably better players move through the CC 1 tier at a time. It what it is, and I'm not sure if it would affect the data much, if any, to matter.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Nov 1, 2021 18:12:16 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines? I never understand this thought process. In the Pro Tours you make the top 65 to make the cut. In CC you make the top 60% of the pre-cut field to make the cut. The scores shouldn't matter. You have to meet the same threshold as last season to continue on. The scores are better because the swing is at a lower difficulty versus last season - for everyone. The only frustrating part that could occur is on the Pro Tours when fields get really large where there isn't a percentage of the field making the cut. In theory that should work itself out by having players demote. 155 or so is around what a Major is IRL and is a bit larger than what regular tour events are.
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Post by coggin66 on Nov 1, 2021 20:18:07 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines? And as far as the data is concerned, I wonder if it matters that we have people in the CC tiers that obviously aren't in the tier they belong? We had the winners of CC-H and K shoot -50, only to move up one tier. Yet their scores would have been good enough to win CC-B and top 10 in CC-A. The winning scores of all the CC's were inside the cutline of CC-A, and the winning scores of CC-D, E, and F would have been top 20 or better in CC-B. The latent affect is that people may just miss out on cut lines, and get demotion marks or demoted, because noticeably better players move through the CC 1 tier at a time. It what it is, and I'm not sure if it would affect the data much, if any, to matter. We have only just finished Week 5. Given we didn't redo Q-school, it will probably take 1/4 to 1/3rd of the season to fully settle down. When you get to the point where you are just making or just missing cuts, then you are probably in the right tier!
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Nov 2, 2021 3:09:27 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines? And as far as the data is concerned, I wonder if it matters that we have people in the CC tiers that obviously aren't in the tier they belong? We had the winners of CC-H and K shoot -50, only to move up one tier. Yet their scores would have been good enough to win CC-B and top 10 in CC-A. The winning scores of all the CC's were inside the cutline of CC-A, and the winning scores of CC-D, E, and F would have been top 20 or better in CC-B. The latent affect is that people may just miss out on cut lines, and get demotion marks or demoted, because noticeably better players move through the CC 1 tier at a time. It what it is, and I'm not sure if it would affect the data much, if any, to matter. We have only just finished Week 5. Given we didn't redo Q-school, it will probably take 1/4 to 1/3rd of the season to fully settle down. When you get to the point where you are just making or just missing cuts, then you are probably in the right tier! Agreed Ken. I landed in CC-D from the Promo and now every week I'm looking over my shoulder as the cut line edges closer to me! I mainly play CC for the enjoyment of The Brew Crew but it's also nice to feel I'm where I should be in TGCT and having the challenge every week of making the cut. As you say, needs a bit longer to settle down. It takes quite a while for those that are probably playing in a division higher than their skill level to fall with 5 marks to demote. The Promo's help the upwardly mobile but the downtrodden have to take their time to fall!!
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Post by randysruns on Nov 2, 2021 8:05:28 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines? I'm only one person, but I'm done playing the tours. I'm currently in CC-F and just don't enjoy shooting low 60s and finishing in the middle of the pack. The pro swing requires zero concentration for me, which causes me to essentially play speed golf. I enjoy this game more when I have to hit some shots out of the rough or get up and down from a bunker a few times a round. A hard-earned 67 or 68 is more enjoyable to me than hitting 14 fairways and 18 greens en route to a 60. I'll continue to play some rounds as a ranger to test courses, but otherwise I'm done with the tours until a new game comes out (or a tour goes back to master swing if we're still on 2K21 next season). I'm by no means saying other people do or should feel the same. Just giving one man's opinion.
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Post by zooby97 on Nov 6, 2021 7:46:00 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines? And as far as the data is concerned, I wonder if it matters that we have people in the CC tiers that obviously aren't in the tier they belong? We had the winners of CC-H and K shoot -50, only to move up one tier. Yet their scores would have been good enough to win CC-B and top 10 in CC-A. The winning scores of all the CC's were inside the cutline of CC-A, and the winning scores of CC-D, E, and F would have been top 20 or better in CC-B. The latent affect is that people may just miss out on cut lines, and get demotion marks or demoted, because noticeably better players move through the CC 1 tier at a time. It what it is, and I'm not sure if it would affect the data much, if any, to matter. I know you are talking about cut lines but I’m just talking in general………I wanted to see what the Plat Tourney scores where from this year and last year with regards to this weeks tourney at Carbondale Mining Company. Last years winning score was -52, currently the leader is -52…..looks the same to me. The argument from the Top Plat players back in Sept was the scores would hit the ceiling( 48(-24 using a par 72) per round or whatever number is an actual ceiling)and that is not the case. Of course I understand overall the scores are much lower and the cut lines are harder but in reality if you play each week consistently and continue your normal progression your scores will be lower compared to last season as well and you will still improve as well. Now the Plat, Elite and Kinetic players who play the CC courses are obviously destroying them but the TGC scores seem to be just a hair lower compared to last year during the red fast era but nothing too crazy. I feel the Pro settings is no different than masters settings during the red fast era. Fairways are easy to hit in Pro settings and were obviously easy to hit red fasting last season. Approach shots the same. The question is always can you putt consistently? In the end putting will make or break you with regards to cut lines. Practice your putting and you will obviously move up the tiers. As far as people getting discouraged? I don’t see how. The current Pro setting is more comfortable than after the patches last spring. You have to just play well consistently and you will go up. As a whole the entire TGC scoring average has to be slightly lower compared to last season. People will fall in their proper tiers anyway. If you were an average CC player last year you will probably be an average CC player this season. But in my opinion the current settings feel like it was during the red fast era. Again, putting will lower your scores anyway.
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Post by liebs44 on Nov 6, 2021 8:36:53 GMT -5
I agree with you Zooby. I’m an XBox guy. I started this season in CC-L - had 1 promotion mark all of last season. Got myself promoted to CC-K early on - hit the promotion event and jumped to CC-I. I think based on my skill level I should be at CC-H but we’ll see. I have totally enjoyed the game more and want more than ever to take down a PlayStation player and win a week!
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Post by williamwes626 on Nov 7, 2021 8:16:21 GMT -5
I wonder how long before people start to get discouraged with the lower scores to make the cut lines? And as far as the data is concerned, I wonder if it matters that we have people in the CC tiers that obviously aren't in the tier they belong? We had the winners of CC-H and K shoot -50, only to move up one tier. Yet their scores would have been good enough to win CC-B and top 10 in CC-A. The winning scores of all the CC's were inside the cutline of CC-A, and the winning scores of CC-D, E, and F would have been top 20 or better in CC-B. The latent affect is that people may just miss out on cut lines, and get demotion marks or demoted, because noticeably better players move through the CC 1 tier at a time. It what it is, and I'm not sure if it would affect the data much, if any, to matter. I know you are talking about cut lines but I’m just talking in general………I wanted to see what the Plat Tourney scores where from this year and last year with regards to this weeks tourney at Carbondale Mining Company. Last years winning score was -52, currently the leader is -52…..looks the same to me. The argument from the Top Plat players back in Sept was the scores would hit the ceiling( 48(-24 using a par 72) per round or whatever number is an actual ceiling)and that is not the case. Of course I understand overall the scores are much lower and the cut lines are harder but in reality if you play each week consistently and continue your normal progression your scores will be lower compared to last season as well and you will still improve as well. Now the Plat, Elite and Kinetic players who play the CC courses are obviously destroying them but the TGC scores seem to be just a hair lower compared to last year during the red fast era but nothing too crazy. I feel the Pro settings is no different than masters settings during the red fast era. Fairways are easy to hit in Pro settings and were obviously easy to hit red fasting last season. Approach shots the same. The question is always can you putt consistently? In the end putting will make or break you with regards to cut lines. Practice your putting and you will obviously move up the tiers. As far as people getting discouraged? I don’t see how. The current Pro setting is more comfortable than after the patches last spring. You have to just play well consistently and you will go up. As a whole the entire TGC scoring average has to be slightly lower compared to last season. People will fall in their proper tiers anyway. If you were an average CC player last year you will probably be an average CC player this season. But in my opinion the current settings feel like it was during the red fast era. Again, putting will lower your scores anyway. I don't think it's a hair lower this year. There's been a noticeable difference between last year and this year because scoring is way easier and in turn, less realistic - that's what some may get frustrated with as time goes on - a lot of people agreed with the CC-F poster before that said there's not much thinking or challenge involved for the typical player. I put together just a real quick comparison for Platinum and CC-G (about the middle level of Challenge Circuit) of the cutlines of last year and this year: Platinum Wk 1: -7, -18 Wk 2: -14, -20 Wk 3: -13, -22 Wk 4: -12, -21 Wk 5: -13, -16 CC-G Wk1: +3, -14 Wk2: +1, -11 Wk3: +1, -9 Wk4: -1, -9 Wk5: +5, -6 The leader score isn't a good measure but the cutline is because it affects more people and there's potential that some may get frustrated shooting a great score only to come up with a missed cut. On the other hand, the numbers of players participating are up from last year so many like the easier swing.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Nov 8, 2021 1:37:09 GMT -5
Overall, cuts were harder to come by in week 6 versus week 5. As a percentage, XBox dropped the most in making cuts, PC had a moderate drop, and PS was basically unchanged. PC grabbed 3 wins out of 15 tours, which is 20% - more or less their share of players for the week. XBox continues to take player share away from PS players and is nearly even with the PC player base.
TOTAL TOURS (15 Events)
Players : 2021 (+76) compared to week 5 (first time breaking 2000 this season) Made cut: 1212 (+14) compared to week 5 Made cut %: 59.97% -1.62% compared to week 5
PS4 (58.39% of all players - Won 12/15 tours or 80.00%) -0.43% share and -2 winner change compared to week 5 Players : 1180 (+ 36) compared to week 5 Made cut: 744 (+ 22) compared to week 5 Made cut %: 63.05% -0.06% compared to week 5
PC (21.08% of all players - Won 3/15 tours or 20.00%) -0.15% share and +2 winner compared to week 5 Players : 426 (+ 13) compared to week 5 Made cut: 253 ( - 4) compared to week 5 Made cut %: 59.39% -2.84% compared to week 5
XB1 (20.53% of all players - Won 0/15 tours or 0.00%) +0.58% share and no change in winners compared to week 5 Players : 415 (+ 27) compared to week 5 Made cut: 215 (- 4) compared to week 5 Made cut %: 51.81% - 4.63% compared to week 5
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Nov 17, 2021 13:13:55 GMT -5
Week 7 saw a bit of a drop in number of plays, but not a large % drop. This week is easily the most representative of an "equal week" as we've had all season. Winners share by console were almost exactly the same as the share of players per console. Lastly, the cuts made percentages were fairly close between the three. Believe it or not, XB1 had the highest % of cuts made, while PS4 was the lowest.
TOTAL TOURS (15 Events)
Players : 1971 (-50) compared to week 6 Made cut: 1192 (-20) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 59.54% -0.43% compared to week 6
PS4 (59.82% of all players - Won 9/15 tours or 60.00%) +1.43% share and 3 less winners compared to week 6 Players : 1179 (- 1) compared to week 6 Made cut: 702 (- 42) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 59.54% -3.51% compared to week 6
PC (19.94% of all players - Won 3/15 tours or 20.00%) -1.14% share and no winner change compared to week 6 Players : 393 (- 33) compared to week 6 Made cut: 239 ( -14) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 60.81% +1.42% compared to week 6
XB1 (20.29% of all players - Won 3/15 tours or 20.00%) -0.29% share and 3 more winners compared to week 6 Players : 399 (- 16) compared to week 6 Made cut: 251 (+36) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 62.91% +11.10% compared to week 6
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Post by coggin66 on Nov 17, 2021 16:15:17 GMT -5
Week 7 saw a bit of a drop in number of plays, but not a large % drop. This week is easily the most representative of an "equal week" as we've had all season. Winners share by console were almost exactly the same as the share of players per console. Lastly, the cuts made percentages were fairly close between the three. Believe it or not, XB1 had the highest % of cuts made, while PS4 was the lowest. TOTAL TOURS (15 Events) Players : 1971 (-50) compared to week 6 Made cut: 1192 (-20) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 59.54% -0.43% compared to week 6 PS4 (59.82% of all players - Won 9/15 tours or 60.00%) +1.43% share and 3 less winners compared to week 6 Players : 1179 (- 1) compared to week 6 Made cut: 702 (- 42) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 59.54% -3.51% compared to week 6 PC (19.94% of all players - Won 3/15 tours or 20.00%) -1.14% share and no winner change compared to week 6 Players : 393 (- 33) compared to week 6 Made cut: 239 ( -14) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 60.81% +1.42% compared to week 6 XB1 (20.29% of all players - Won 3/15 tours or 20.00%) -0.29% share and 3 more winners compared to week 6 Players : 399 (- 16) compared to week 6 Made cut: 251 (+36) compared to week 6 Made cut %: 62.91% +11.10% compared to week 6 Is that because the XBoxers have sunk to the bottom and are now just playing each other? 😉
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