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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 8, 2021 5:43:50 GMT -5
Main Tours are set in stone from what I can see Les but a lot of ideas being thrown around for the Beer League. If people we’re happy to play the main tours with master settings I don’t see why they can’t just set the beer league up with the same settings all they are loosing is the ability to promote or demote. And their WGR. I’ve never really considered that because mine has always been crap but when you’re in the top 100 I imagine that feels good and worth defending. To me everything will change again in 2022 when the new game drops. All TGCT have done is to try to make the best of a bad job until that day comes. There’s so many different things that could be done with the Beer League and it’s a tough task deciding which is the best direction to go. Glad it’s not my call. I think the concern is the top Master level players may decide to stay in main tour to defend their WGR and have the extra events even though they’re not enamoured with Pro swing. If that’s the case who will play in the Beer League. In an ideal world, like TST, you could play both but it’s a coding issue which I’m sure Doyley would like to change but it takes time to be able to organise as there’s no quick fix.
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Post by MachOne117 on Sept 8, 2021 6:25:15 GMT -5
All settings like regular tour (Pro swing) with the following modifications. 1. Distance Control Meter - Putting Only 2. Pro Vision: True Shot - On 3. Pro Vision: Trajectory - Aim Only I just played a causal round with settings 2 and 3 above turned on (I actually always play with the meter set to putting only in local rounds). I know it's only on for a little bit when aiming, but I do not like having that blue arc showing at all. That just screams "arcade" to me and feels artificial. I don't know, others might feel different, but since this game has been out for over a year at this point, adding an aiming arc into any of the tours feels like a step backwards and like we're adding unnecessary training wheels back on. Even if this is to be a "recreational" league still, it just seems going way too much in that direction. Personally, if you're going to use Pro for Beer League, just go with the Distance Control Meter set to "Putting Only". Then, BL players will get percentages on all other shots, while getting the putting meter. That right there makes it "easier" and doesn't include that blue arc... True. The blue arc doesn't really do much for this setting. Could just as easily leave Pro Vision Trajectory Off (no. 3, no blue arc) but leave Pro Vision True Shot on (no. 2) so that carry distance changes are shown as the player messes with True Shot. It just seems to me most previous Beer Leaguers are going to join the regular tour now (that's a good thing in my mind) unless they want a cross-platform easier settings experience. So the majority of people in Beer League will be new people to the game who need/want to improve before joining the regular tour or new people to TGCTours who enjoy the lower scoring, more relaxed, and possibly more arcade-like experience. Only adding the distance control meter doesn't really seem like a big enough change in my mind to separate it from the regular tour. Anyway, with my thoughts and another dollar you still just have a dollar.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 8, 2021 8:14:15 GMT -5
I just played a causal round with settings 2 and 3 above turned on (I actually always play with the meter set to putting only in local rounds). I know it's only on for a little bit when aiming, but I do not like having that blue arc showing at all. That just screams "arcade" to me and feels artificial. I don't know, others might feel different, but since this game has been out for over a year at this point, adding an aiming arc into any of the tours feels like a step backwards and like we're adding unnecessary training wheels back on. Even if this is to be a "recreational" league still, it just seems going way too much in that direction. Personally, if you're going to use Pro for Beer League, just go with the Distance Control Meter set to "Putting Only". Then, BL players will get percentages on all other shots, while getting the putting meter. That right there makes it "easier" and doesn't include that blue arc... True. The blue arc doesn't really do much for this setting. Could just as easily leave Pro Vision Trajectory Off (no. 3, no blue arc) but leave Pro Vision True Shot on (no. 2) so that carry distance changes are shown as the player messes with True Shot. It just seems to me most previous Beer Leaguers are going to join the regular tour now (that's a good thing in my mind) unless they want a cross-platform easier settings experience. So the majority of people in Beer League will be new people to the game who need/want to improve before joining the regular tour or new people to TGCTours who enjoy the lower scoring, more relaxed, and possibly more arcade-like experience. Only adding the distance control meter doesn't really seem like a big enough change in my mind to separate it from the regular tour. Anyway, with my thoughts and another dollar you still just have a dollar. Totally understand...just offering my perspective as someone who likely won't play on the main tours, but might consider Beer League if the settings make sense. In my opinion, adding the aiming arc would make Beer League look essentially like the official PGA 2K21 society in my eyes...Pro difficulty, aiming arc, some swing meter, etc. All that's missing is putt preview. And I don't really think that would appeal to me. It might to others, and I might be in the minority. If that's the case, great! Have fun! I would love the Beer League to stay around as another place where our course designs can be used, no matter what the settings would be. It's just very interesting how Beer League has gone - in the span of 24-48 hours - from the replacement where Master difficulty players would play, to possibly a pro-am difficulty league with an aiming arc turned on.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 8, 2021 9:22:17 GMT -5
Key to a successful beer league is finding a group of players (enough to fill a leaderboard) that won't join our main Tours.
The vibe I was getting was that legend or master swing was not going to work.
Over the past year we have had some people mention to us in private that they won't play without the swing meter on... So there is a group of players out there that we could provide a place to play that we currently don't.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 8, 2021 9:35:15 GMT -5
Key to a successful beer league is finding a group of players (enough to fill a leaderboard) that won't join our main Tours. The vibe I was getting was that legend or master swing was not going to work. Over the past year we have had some people mention to us in private that they won't play without the swing meter on... So there is a group of players out there that we could provide a place to play that we currently don't. Do you mean won’t play with swing meter on Doyley?
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Post by Doyley on Sept 8, 2021 9:51:21 GMT -5
Key to a successful beer league is finding a group of players (enough to fill a leaderboard) that won't join our main Tours. The vibe I was getting was that legend or master swing was not going to work. Over the past year we have had some people mention to us in private that they won't play without the swing meter on... So there is a group of players out there that we could provide a place to play that we currently don't. Do you mean won’t play with swing meter on Doyley? They find out we have the Distance Control meter (or whatever it's called) turned off and that's a non-starter for them. Not sure how many are out there but since HB's main societies have it on, Divot Derby has it on, there's likely more golfers out there that would play here if we had a place that had it turned on.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 8, 2021 9:57:29 GMT -5
Do you mean won’t play with swing meter on Doyley? They find out we have the Distance Control meter (or whatever it's called) turned off and that's a non-starter for them. Not sure how many are out there but since HB's main societies have it on, Divot Derby has it on, there's likely more golfers out there that would play here if we had a place that had it turned on. I see. Must admit personally find it more distracting than useful. Certainly worth a thought then.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 8, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -5
Hmmm, very interesting. I guess if there are that many people out there looking for another pro or pro-am mode with all the aids turned on, then setting Beer League to these settings makes sense. It's definitely not my cup of tea, but like I said, as long as it keeps going and offers a place for our course designs to get included, then I am on board.
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Post by lessangster on Sept 8, 2021 9:57:58 GMT -5
I find the distance meter distracting especially when putting
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Post by rustysblanket on Sept 8, 2021 12:29:55 GMT -5
While I'm in agreement that personally the distance control meter being on is super distracting and I would not ever use it, I will say I'm pretty sure that in the total player base of the game, the majority of players use the meter being on. So if the goal with beer league is to expand the player base to those who might not ordinarily play TGC Tours then using settings with the meter on for beer league would definitely make sense from an accessibility standpoint.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 8, 2021 12:48:49 GMT -5
Updated the upcoming test events to the following: Platinum: Pro Swing/Distance control on Elite: Pro Swing/Distance control on/Trajectory aim only
I don't feel like Pro-Am is a level I want to go to here - so going to try and keep it at Pro and have it with Distance Control On and then we can see if the Trajectory is worth using or not.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 8, 2021 14:08:33 GMT -5
It's honestly kind of shocking to see any of the tours (even the Beer League) seriously considering adding in swing meters and aiming arcs...just kind of surprising because so many here and in other corners of this PGA 2K21 community are always fighting for realism, less HUD clutter, etc. and are nearly allergic to anything deemed "arcade".
I know it was mentioned that people in "private" say they only play with meters on, but this is a surprising turn of events given how the "public" comments are always in favor of more and more "sim" play.
Just an observation.
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Post by lessangster on Sept 8, 2021 14:14:58 GMT -5
It's honestly kind of shocking to see any of the tours (even the Beer League) seriously considering adding in swing meters and aiming arcs...just kind of surprising because so many here and in other corners of this PGA 2K21 community are always fighting for realism, less HUD clutter, etc. and are nearly allergic to anything deemed "arcade". I know it was mentioned that people in "private" say they only play with meters on, but this is a surprising turn of events given how the "public" comments are always in favor of more and more "sim" play. Just an observation. People complaining about going down to pro difficulty and yet admins are considering using shot arcs and power meters, is this designed to attract newer players that haven’t played on the tours before. I thought the whole point of going down to Pro for the main tours was to try an entice people back that had dropped into beer league or stopped playing entirely, I’m confused
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 8, 2021 14:23:36 GMT -5
It's honestly kind of shocking to see any of the tours (even the Beer League) seriously considering adding in swing meters and aiming arcs...just kind of surprising because so many here and in other corners of this PGA 2K21 community are always fighting for realism, less HUD clutter, etc. and are nearly allergic to anything deemed "arcade". I know it was mentioned that people in "private" say they only play with meters on, but this is a surprising turn of events given how the "public" comments are always in favor of more and more "sim" play. Just an observation. People complaining about going down to pro difficulty and yet admins are considering using shot arcs and power meters, is this designed to attract newer players that haven’t played on the tours before. I thought the whole point of going down to Pro for the main tours was to try an entice people back that had dropped into beer league or stopped playing entirely, I’m confused Beer League isn’t part of “the Tour” Les. It’s an additional society separate to the Tour. I can see that Admin’s are considering if it is best used to give both a stepping stone to people who have perhaps not considered TGCT before and members of the current group who would prefer to play with assists by making available the distance control meter within it.
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Post by dansamp on Sept 8, 2021 14:38:46 GMT -5
Updated the upcoming test events to the following: Platinum: Pro Swing/Distance control on Elite: Pro Swing/Distance control on/Trajectory aim only
I don't feel like Pro-Am is a level I want to go to here - so going to try and keep it at Pro and have it with Distance Control On and then we can see if the Trajectory is worth using or not.
I would say in terms of the Distance Control Meter, no point to restrict it to ON, but could leave it open for eventual league setup so then players in Beer League could use whatever they please: meter, putting only, or no meter. Because there are still Beer League players I'm sure that like it for its simplistic nature without the worry about promotions/demotions etc. on the main tours. So those could still use that mode and use no distance control meter if they so choose. This is assuming in the above you're talking about Distance Control Meter and not Distance Control Assist (these two confuse me...).
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