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Post by Doyley on Sept 6, 2021 21:20:01 GMT -5
Edit: We're moving away from Legend and looking at focusing on having Distance Control on (Swing meter).
Updated the upcoming test events to the following:
Platinum: Pro Swing/Distance control on Elite: Pro Swing/Distance control on/Trajectory aim only
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We've created some test events for possible Beer League settings. Feel free to play and give your opinion regardless of where you plan to play next season.
Platinum: Legend Swing
Elite: Legend Swing/No Tempo
Everyone is well aware of what the Master settings are like so not going to do any test events there but keep in mind it's also in the mix. Let me know what settings you find best suited for those that want tougher game-play than our Pro Swing main tours.
I will create another thread for the main tour testing we're doing.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 6, 2021 22:58:55 GMT -5
*bump* to those who may not have seen this post yet.
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Post by Q on Sept 7, 2021 0:00:12 GMT -5
Playing on legend is freaking hilarious. Somehow eeked out a -2 after the first round and had a blast doing it. No Tempo Legendary is also super fun. I love both of these options
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 7, 2021 1:31:09 GMT -5
Before even trying any of these setting, there is no way I would play the Elite settings. There, IMO, should always be some kind of balance between swing plane and tempo here at TGCTours.
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 7, 2021 5:03:39 GMT -5
Yes, a Legend swing event (platinum)! Thanks Doyley! It will be interesting to see how many of the pro players give it a go.
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Post by Q on Sept 7, 2021 5:04:29 GMT -5
Before even trying any of these setting, there is no way I would play the Elite settings. There, IMO, should always be some kind of balance between swing plane and tempo here at TGCTours. Considering tempo is probably the best part of my game and I still ended up shooting fine on Legendary difficulty, you would probably assume I would dislike no tempo, but to me it's just really fascinating how differently it plays than other difficulty styles. Just give it at least a try, it's fascinating to me how hard it actually is
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 7, 2021 5:08:56 GMT -5
Before even trying any of these setting, there is no way I would play the Elite settings. There, IMO, should always be some kind of balance between swing plane and tempo here at TGCTours. I tried the no tempo thing a while back when a few societies popped up doing it but it was a no for me. Swing path I'm comfortable with so it was a little too easy for me. Even with the legend difficulty. Putting was harder. Tempo is where I struggle so that's where the challenge in the game lies for me. I've seen a few say pro swing is golf on rails. It's not for all of us, if you struggle for tempo you can still screw up. Having said all that I have no intention of going this route so my opinion is valueless.
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Post by InsanericK on Sept 7, 2021 6:15:58 GMT -5
Tried the no tempo event. It's fun and it makes a very good practice to know where your game's calculation is. Takes time to realise all the power you now have. Trying a 105% fully lofted driver shot on fairway is not something most people got in their game in regular conditions.
I would definitly play this as a separate new tour. I'll stick with Pro swing tours.
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 7, 2021 8:53:15 GMT -5
Elite Tour - Legend/No Tempo Test Event.
-1 +2 = +1. I was worried this would be too easy as no tempo really negates a lot of the swing difficulty. But, I forgot to take into consideration the diabolical courses/greens. That being said, I don't believe the conditions (firmness/green speed) were anymore difficult that what was used on the pro tours with Masters difficulty. Some of those pins were tough for my ability and bag set-up, but I enjoyed playing it.
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Platinum Tour - Legend swing w/ Tempo
+14 +11 = +25. I felt I played better than my score, especially in rd 2 with 187 greens and some of those pins. Pitch shots are horribly penalized for RF/RS, and I took a 9 in both rds on the par 5 15 putting 2 balls in water (each rd) from 60-70 yds out. Averaged 18-19 Perfects each rd, the rest RF, grey F, grey S, or RS. (XSX). I'm not a pro level player, but I don't think Legend w/ tempo works as a cross platform difficulty.
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Post by OldManGaming606 on Sept 7, 2021 9:50:59 GMT -5
Addressing this from a "What's best for the overall TGCT and not what's best for me. I played one round of each and enjoyed both.
Legend definitely requires additional focus, but it also places a premium on tempo and would more likely than not, leave things as status quo. Those that can't find tempo with Masters will not find it with Legend swing either. Players that left will not come back and it will not correct the balance of consoles, probably create additional separation.
Legend / No tempo compares pretty closely to Pro with Tempo, but the difficulty lies with putting. This is probably really close to the 2019 Master Clubs. With the imbalance between consoles primarily being caused by tempo, this would more likely than not bring the balance to the closest point. With no tempo concerns, it becomes a putting contest. There is some course management involved, but that's basic math and I believe over time, people would dial that in and be pin seeking and putting consistently within a range that putting wouldn't be that hard either. Another aspect maybe not thought about as much with no Tempo, Chipping becomes extremely easy. those chips from 8 or 9 yards are almost automatic.
Bringing my personal feelings in this. I would vote to stay Pro with tempo, primarily because tempo is the differentiator between quality of players. With tempo, this is the most difficult golf game to master that has ever been released. Without Tempo, it's just another game from the past.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 7, 2021 13:28:29 GMT -5
So after a lot of talk and watching the activity on these threads - I'm in agreement with most that the Beer League as a hard league is not likely to be used much. Tim suggested we go easier and I think it makes sense. Let me know what you all think about the Beer League being the same as the main tours except we turn on the shot meter. Never crossed my mind until he mentioned it but I think it makes more sense with the vibe we are looking for with the name Beer League.
Could still act as a stepping stone to the main tours for those looking to get their feet wet.
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karacakes
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 174
TGCT Name: Kara Santos
Tour: Platinum
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Post by karacakes on Sept 7, 2021 13:36:47 GMT -5
Hard agree on that. I didn't think it'd be good place for masters players because those who want to tryhard are going to want to be on the main tours, even if they don't like the switch to pro. You won't get any retention from players going Main Tours -> Beer League because of the changes, whereas some of the more casual people on the Beer League might enjoy something like what you mentioned. I still think it's a little awkward though, because it's not significantly different between the two still though, which I worry about.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 7, 2021 13:39:09 GMT -5
I still think it's a little awkward though, because it's not significantly different between the two still though, which I worry about. We could always drop it down to Pro-Am as well. Not sure how much of a demand there is for that swing though.
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karacakes
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 174
TGCT Name: Kara Santos
Tour: Platinum
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Post by karacakes on Sept 7, 2021 13:46:35 GMT -5
Yeah that's the tricky part isn't it? Hard to give that feeling of casualness without going....too easy and people being disinterested in it. I wonder how much demand there will be for beer league. But it is a different tour and some people might like that. Appreciate the effort you guys are going into trying to figure out the best solutions though.
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Post by fransslabak on Sept 7, 2021 13:47:01 GMT -5
Agreed on not going for Legend. Just played first round and even though I scored -3 on my first ever Legend round, I would never consider doing this instead of Platinum and switching between pro and legend is way too big a jump to try to be competitive in both.
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