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Post by materialization on Sept 7, 2021 19:55:00 GMT -5
Perhaps if people would have been allowed to play this game their way with fast swings, slow swings, etc, and not have been made to play the game the way some of the community wanted them to play the game, none of this would be an issue. Just imagine if every time you bought a game, someone else told you, you had to play the game their way, like Madden, "you run too much. That's an exploit" MLB The Show, "you steal too many times. That's an exploit." Hey, here's an idea, if I'm not cheating, like using a modded controller or scripts, than leave me alone. This community brought this on and it's a shame. Just stay in your lane and not worry how everyone else in playing the game. All the crying and complaining about "the game wasn't meant to be played that way." You should play the game anyway it allows you to...PERIOD. Gotta agree with this. If I was part of any coding team to a golf game such as this, some changes to swing mechanics ideally need to be added as extra settings (for tgctours to either implement or not) not as a global change to alienate everybody in a take it or leave it scenario. Unfortunately this ended up being a mostly leave it for alot of people when it needn't of been.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 8, 2021 3:55:15 GMT -5
Perhaps if people would have been allowed to play this game their way with fast swings, slow swings, etc, and not have been made to play the game the way some of the community wanted them to play the game, none of this would be an issue. Just imagine if every time you bought a game, someone else told you, you had to play the game their way, like Madden, "you run too much. That's an exploit" MLB The Show, "you steal too many times. That's an exploit." Hey, here's an idea, if I'm not cheating, like using a modded controller or scripts, than leave me alone. This community brought this on and it's a shame. Just stay in your lane and not worry how everyone else in playing the game. All the crying and complaining about "the game wasn't meant to be played that way." You should play the game anyway it allows you to...PERIOD. As a successful red faster, and previously a push puller, I can see why you'd say that Albert. I'll be honest, it wasn't enjoyable having to bring any of it up. I'd much rather we all just played and didn't have to worry about any of that. Fact of the matter is, this site is all about fairness of competition, and those glitches (that's what they were), were unequivocally proven to be incredibly advantageous, as well as simultaneously influencing/lessening the effect of other difficulty multipliers the majority were dealing with like loft, shape and spin. Furthermore, regardless of those two glitches mentioned in point 1, we'd still be where we are today due to the platform disparity, eg with how broken XBox is and their inability to compete. That said, I don't agree with what you posted at all. Just my opinion. Not looking to get into an argument about it, but we're on polar opposites re views on the matter. Hope you're well and will be playing S8.
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Post by materialization on Sept 8, 2021 8:39:58 GMT -5
I think in a way, alot of it boils down to there being no difficulty setting between pro and master.. imagine pro-master?
Then maybe we cover the problem where red fasts/red slows weren't as punishing and that would be the sort of setting I'd of loved to of implemented honestly. So I vote for both master and pro, as I really just want one inbetween
But yeah I think changing the game so severely so late on was always going to cause controversy, exploit or not. From my point of view, xbox was at least playable when red fasts existed.
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Post by booze2407 on Sept 8, 2021 9:06:33 GMT -5
I know it won’t happen, but my suggestion would be to turn Beer League into Legend Tour. Legend swing being only difference to current settings. Allow everyone to play without having to opt out, so it gets a lot more participation. I think that’s the only way it becomes interesting at all. I predict master beer league being a total flop as it stands, just my opinion. I agree with this (part where you can play both main tours and beer league) especially after we made the main tours an easier swing - but requires coding so at this point I don't want to get anyone's hopes up. That said, I will push for it and we'll see where it goes - especially if the Beer League is lacking members as most are predicting. Understood. I realize the pro change is set in stone, but if balance between platforms is the goal, I’ve been wondering what the leaderboards might have looked like if ONLY Xbox switched to Pro swing. Seems like it could’ve been worth a test? I have never played Xbox though so I have no idea how the difficulty of their Pro swing compares to that of PC/PS master. But I think it would’ve been interesting to see how the better players like dansamp would shoot for 4 rounds at Running Water on Pro, for example.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 8, 2021 9:14:02 GMT -5
With the way our societies work we can't set one to pro and the other two to master.
We set events up on pc and they are automatically mirrored on Ps and Xbox
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Post by mrohde4 on Sept 8, 2021 12:12:57 GMT -5
Perhaps if people would have been allowed to play this game their way with fast swings, slow swings, etc, and not have been made to play the game the way some of the community wanted them to play the game, none of this would be an issue. Just imagine if every time you bought a game, someone else told you, you had to play the game their way, like Madden, "you run too much. That's an exploit" MLB The Show, "you steal too many times. That's an exploit." Hey, here's an idea, if I'm not cheating, like using a modded controller or scripts, than leave me alone. This community brought this on and it's a shame. Just stay in your lane and not worry how everyone else in playing the game. All the crying and complaining about "the game wasn't meant to be played that way." You should play the game anyway it allows you to...PERIOD. Wish I could LOVE this post. I didn't realize the forum complainers insurrected into HB and coded the Red Fast nerf - which was widely accepted as a needed fix. HB took it too far with the splashes and short game adjustments. Perhaps if everyone would've played for Perfect since day one, these tours might've been Pro since day one.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 9, 2021 2:32:12 GMT -5
Perhaps if people would have been allowed to play this game their way with fast swings, slow swings, etc, and not have been made to play the game the way some of the community wanted them to play the game, none of this would be an issue. Just imagine if every time you bought a game, someone else told you, you had to play the game their way, like Madden, "you run too much. That's an exploit" MLB The Show, "you steal too many times. That's an exploit." Hey, here's an idea, if I'm not cheating, like using a modded controller or scripts, than leave me alone. This community brought this on and it's a shame. Just stay in your lane and not worry how everyone else in playing the game. All the crying and complaining about "the game wasn't meant to be played that way." You should play the game anyway it allows you to...PERIOD. Wish I could LOVE this post. I didn't realize the forum complainers insurrected into HB and coded the Red Fast nerf - which was widely accepted as a needed fix. HB took it too far with the splashes and short game adjustments. Perhaps if everyone would've played for Perfect since day one, these tours might've been Pro since day one. It wasn’t only nerfing the red fast. They also made pro substantially easier at the same time. Shame there isn’t a setting between master and pro that Tgc could use. The old pro perfect window would have been ideal
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 9, 2021 6:25:39 GMT -5
Wish I could LOVE this post. I didn't realize the forum complainers insurrected into HB and coded the Red Fast nerf - which was widely accepted as a needed fix. HB took it too far with the splashes and short game adjustments. Perhaps if everyone would've played for Perfect since day one, these tours might've been Pro since day one. It wasn’t only nerfing the red fast. They also made pro substantially easier at the same time. Shame there isn’t a setting between master and pro that Tgc could use. The old pro perfect window would have been ideal How was Pro made easier? Been out of the game a while, and not on the ball with that one.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 9, 2021 6:37:07 GMT -5
It wasn’t only nerfing the red fast. They also made pro substantially easier at the same time. Shame there isn’t a setting between master and pro that Tgc could use. The old pro perfect window would have been ideal How was Pro made easier? Been out of the game a while, and not on the ball with that one. I've played both levels throughout the year. Pro wasn't made any easier imo, just red misses are not punished anywhere near so severely as they at Master. Doubt anybody bothered red fasting pre nerf on Pro anyway so if anything it was made very slightly more difficult.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 9, 2021 6:42:51 GMT -5
How was Pro made easier? Been out of the game a while, and not on the ball with that one. I've played both levels throughout the year. Pro wasn't made any easier imo, just red misses are not punished anywhere near so severely as they at Master. Doubt anybody bothered red fasting pre nerf on Pro anyway so if anything it was made very slightly more difficult. The perfect zone is considerably bigger on pro now than when the game came out
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 9, 2021 6:56:32 GMT -5
I've played both levels throughout the year. Pro wasn't made any easier imo, just red misses are not punished anywhere near so severely as they at Master. Doubt anybody bothered red fasting pre nerf on Pro anyway so if anything it was made very slightly more difficult. The perfect zone is considerably bigger on pro now than when the game came out I hadn't noticed. Not sure what you mean by considerably bigger but surely it is club dependant anyway. Put it this way from someone who played every Beer League event, it never felt particularly different throughout.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 9, 2021 6:57:21 GMT -5
I've played both levels throughout the year. Pro wasn't made any easier imo, just red misses are not punished anywhere near so severely as they at Master. Doubt anybody bothered red fasting pre nerf on Pro anyway so if anything it was made very slightly more difficult. The perfect zone is considerably bigger on pro now than when the game came out Is it? So the Grey fast area has been shifted (but kept the same size) but the red fast area shrunk accordingly, AND been made less penal? Or has the grey fast are shrunk and the red fast area stayed the same? Obviously this is all down to timing windows rather than areas, but most in this conversation should understand my illustration. As noted above, what club set you use changes the perfect window, but I wasn't aware anything else had changed it.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 9, 2021 7:02:08 GMT -5
The perfect zone is considerably bigger on pro now than when the game came out Is it? So the Grey fast area has been shifted (but kept the same size) but the red fast area shrunk accordingly, AND been made less penal? Or has the grey fast are shrunk and the red fast area stayed the same? Obviously this is all down to timing windows rather than areas, but most in this conversation should understand my illustration. As noted above, what club set you use changes the perfect window, but I wasn't aware anything else had changed it. Just read the title, I shouldn't even be here! lol I'll close the door on my way out.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 9, 2021 7:02:37 GMT -5
The perfect zone is considerably bigger on pro now than when the game came out I hadn't noticed. Not sure what you mean by considerably bigger but surely it is club dependant anyway. Put it this way from someone who played every Beer League event, it never felt particularly different throughout. Ok, maybe maybe I’ve just got better at the game as it’s pretty hard to miss perfect now. I hadn’t played a round on pro since October last year.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 9, 2021 7:05:16 GMT -5
The perfect zone is considerably bigger on pro now than when the game came out Is it? So the Grey fast area has been shifted (but kept the same size) but the red fast area shrunk accordingly, AND been made less penal? Or has the grey fast are shrunk and the red fast area stayed the same? Obviously this is all down to timing windows rather than areas, but most in this conversation should understand my illustration. As noted above, what club set you use changes the perfect window, but I wasn't aware anything else had changed it. Sorry, I don’t quit understand. I have noticed that gray shots hardly makes a difference to perfect ( compared to master anyway). Hit gray on master and it’s a missed fairway most times
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