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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 5, 2021 1:24:34 GMT -5
I personally welcome the change. I can't see it making any difference for the top tier players as they'll shoot in the mid-high 50s regardless of swing difficulty. But I do think it'll give a few more players on Kinetic/Elite and lower tier Plat players the chance to creep toward that top tier and make some noise against the best. Maybe not win, but be able to make more consistent cuts and give them a run for their money at times. It's all about having fun and if this brings back more people who were frustrated by the difficulty of master, then I think it's a good thing. Like others have said though, you can't please everybody. It will make a massive change. Personally, I lose about 3-4 shots a round due to gray missed tempos. Approach shots, chips and missing the percentage on putts. Take that away and I think I will be about 15 shots a tournament better off. Plus I can hit partial shots pretty easy on pro so no more gaps in my bag setup.
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Post by coggin66 on Sept 5, 2021 1:29:35 GMT -5
Thumbs up from me ... but I'm biassed because I'm on XBox and been in Beer League nearly all season. Based on that experience, moving to Pro will still have system imbalance between XBox and the rest and the scores will be lower. However I'd argue it becomes more skill based as it is more about playing the course, short game and putting than who gets shafted by the game most. It’s not more skill based though. First off, let me say I absolutely acknowledge that Xbox has been screwed. But let’s look at things from the PS4 perspective, and I would even include PC given there there many great players on that who compete every week. On a given system, you have top level players who can hit perfects most of the time, then those who struggle. The difference within the players of each system can definitely be skill (calibration can be factor, but good calibration can also make no difference to many players!). By lowering the skill to hit perfect, you upgrade those already doing well some, but MASSIVELY upgrade those struggling. You’ve just closed the skill gap by a large amount. I don’t see at all how that makes things more skill based. Hitting tempo is a big part of the skill that’s being removed. IMHO, with Masters the balance between the good and bad is too much to do with getting Perfect tempo. Pro takes away some of the emphasis on tempo and rebalances it a bit. If your strength is in getting Perfect tempo vs the rest then you won't like the change.
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Post by catcherman22 on Sept 5, 2021 1:35:02 GMT -5
I personally welcome the change. I can't see it making any difference for the top tier players as they'll shoot in the mid-high 50s regardless of swing difficulty. But I do think it'll give a few more players on Kinetic/Elite and lower tier Plat players the chance to creep toward that top tier and make some noise against the best. Maybe not win, but be able to make more consistent cuts and give them a run for their money at times. It's all about having fun and if this brings back more people who were frustrated by the difficulty of master, then I think it's a good thing. Like others have said though, you can't please everybody. It will make a massive change. Personally, I lose about 3-4 shots a round due to gray missed tempos. Approach shots, chips and missing the percentage on putts. Take that away and I think I will be about 15 shots a tournament better off. Plus I can hit partial shots pretty easy on pro so no more gaps in my bag setup. you think you lose 3-4 shots... it's probably more like 1-2.. I think 5 to 10 shots better is realistic.
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Post by trentmcneely on Sept 5, 2021 1:36:09 GMT -5
It’s not more skill based though. First off, let me say I absolutely acknowledge that Xbox has been screwed. But let’s look at things from the PS4 perspective, and I would even include PC given there there many great players on that who compete every week. On a given system, you have top level players who can hit perfects most of the time, then those who struggle. The difference within the players of each system can definitely be skill (calibration can be factor, but good calibration can also make no difference to many players!). By lowering the skill to hit perfect, you upgrade those already doing well some, but MASSIVELY upgrade those struggling. You’ve just closed the skill gap by a large amount. I don’t see at all how that makes things more skill based. Hitting tempo is a big part of the skill that’s being removed. IMHO, with Masters the balance between the good and bad is too much to do with getting Perfect tempo. Pro takes away some of the emphasis on tempo and rebalances it a bit. If your strength is in getting Perfect tempo vs the rest then you won't like the change. We've come full circle to arguing for RF again lol
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Post by fransslabak on Sept 5, 2021 1:37:21 GMT -5
Maybe you guys are right. Run back the tour championship in each pro tour again this week with pro settings and see how the scores compare. Let's just say I have some "test" courses lined up for next season now that'll help me determine how much scores will change I don't because nobody bothered to inform me...
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Post by Matt10 on Sept 5, 2021 1:38:15 GMT -5
Fair play to you guys for trying something that was always going to be unpopular initially to try and make the competition fairer across platforms. That intention should absolutely be applauded regardless. Will True Sim Tour be switching to Pro as well? We have a preseason event currently that is set to PRO difficulty. It's the perfect time (preseason) to gauge the feedback and sample size. Nothing is set in stone, and there's never a guarantee anything will change. There's an argument for both sides as always.
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Post by OldManGaming606 on Sept 5, 2021 1:50:00 GMT -5
Let's just say I have some "test" courses lined up for next season now that'll help me determine how much scores will change I don't because nobody bothered to inform me... Let's start with the courses we qualified on for season 7. That would be interesting.
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Post by crunchshark on Sept 5, 2021 1:51:21 GMT -5
Guess the beer league could and probably should be empty now. You could flip it around,abandon the beer league and have the single league for master swing? Youd have to rename it though. Champagne league or something.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 5, 2021 1:52:19 GMT -5
Fair play to you guys for trying something that was always going to be unpopular initially to try and make the competition fairer across platforms. That intention should absolutely be applauded regardless. Will True Sim Tour be switching to Pro as well? We have a preseason event currently that is set to PRO difficulty. It's the perfect time (preseason) to gauge the feedback and sample size. Nothing is set in stone, and there's never a guarantee anything will change. There's an argument for both sides as always. Seems totally fair and sensible. Happy to play and give feedback for Xbox. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Sept 5, 2021 1:57:49 GMT -5
As an Xbox player for whom tempo is nothing but a pain in the arse I welcome the changes. Too many good players have no real chance simply because they play on the wrong console, so any lessening of the importance of tempo can only help. Master is far too tempo heavy and on Xbox calibration makes little or no real difference. I believe it makes all the difference on Playstation. Well done to Doyley and the team for trying to even things up.
Legend difficulty with swing timing off - yes please!
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Post by trentmcneely on Sept 5, 2021 2:00:22 GMT -5
Testing for feedback and results before making a change? He's a maaadmaaan!
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 5, 2021 2:09:22 GMT -5
No way to make everyone happy in this case with the amount of work required to put in a tiered system, etc. Many don't realize that Doyley is essentially running this entire operation by himself at the moment. 100% the right call with the state the game is in right now. This is what I have been seeing for the past several years. At least I get a confirmation of what I have suspected. No disrespect meant to anyone involved in the process to give us TGCTours. I am happy that we are trying to get a bit back towards parity among all three platforms.
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Post by xvshitanvx on Sept 5, 2021 2:12:26 GMT -5
Echoing the thoughts from the other plat players here, not a fan of these changes at all. Pro will be an absolute snooze fest. Get ready for some Mickey Mouse courses and VH/VF settings I guess?
Hopefully TST maintains Master settings, find it a much more enjoyable experience anyway.
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Post by b101 on Sept 5, 2021 2:14:15 GMT -5
Definitely the right move imo. So many have quit this season due to the master swing changes and playing the game where a splash shot in a greenside bunker feels like you might as well have hit one OB was never much fun for me. Game got a million times more fun to play on Pro.
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Post by Billy Hoyle on Sept 5, 2021 2:14:27 GMT -5
Is there anyway we can go back to using TGC 2019?? Would be alot better...........
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