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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Sept 4, 2021 23:55:28 GMT -5
True Sim will NOT be making any changes to settings, im 100% confident on that, ok i've said it.
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karacakes
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 174
TGCT Name: Kara Santos
Tour: Platinum
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Post by karacakes on Sept 4, 2021 23:55:52 GMT -5
I think this is fundamentally because putting remains just as difficult on Pro settings, A lot of what makes certain courses on plat challenging are the crazy putts needed to be made within 10 feet proximity of the hole. Plat scores wont inflate terribly for this reason alone as a Ram Ranch (all the cowboys) pin 2 will still eat your breakfast. I am so ready for the toughest courses week after week though. That'll be the fun part of these changes. No more tempo excuses and "dO yOu EvEn MaKe ThEsE cOuRsEs On MaStErS"
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Post by Doyley on Sept 4, 2021 23:56:37 GMT -5
Doyley This season there was a slight difference in the settings between CC and the Pro Tours. To facilitate a greater challenge for the top players in the Pro Tours (obviously not talking about myself here) has an option to turn off some of the assists been considered (cameras for example)? I wouldn't rule it out completely but outside of the one we use (wind meter on/off) the rest can be pretty polarizing with the TGCT members.
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Post by pollingpoints on Sept 4, 2021 23:57:53 GMT -5
I actually did as practice with no tempo because I didn't feel like playing on masters because I need to practice swing on masters a lot to hit the right shot.
I was shooting much better. I just can't execute those shots on masters swing because it really shrinks that perfect window to nothing, especially on 3 wood/driver. I screwed myself in my official round 4 (and almost cost me the tournament) because I did shape my 3 wood on hole 9 and then barely grey fasted and put me in a death spot. It would have been perfect with pro by a considerable margin.
This week would have been one of the harder weeks on pro. But there were a lot of shots I lost a chance at birdie because of barely grey fast/slow. Being able to add more spin onto the ball (and play higher tier clubs) really helps.
Again I'm just nitpicking. I think it'll be fun having to shoot incredibly low. To be absolutely dead on with every shot. But I also enjoy masters because then it's also skill (well, mostly skill. some of it is platform/controller dependent) to hit the tempo.
I think this is fundamentally because putting remains just as difficult on Pro settings, A lot of what makes certain courses on plat challenging are the crazy putts needed to be made within 10 feet proximity of the hole. Plat scores wont inflate terribly for this reason alone as a Ram Ranch (all the cowboys) pin 2 will still eat your breakfast. I agree to an extent about putting. We're going to have a wider swing plane on putting and I don't think people realize how many putts people miss because slight plane deviation.
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Post by catcherman22 on Sept 5, 2021 0:01:42 GMT -5
Again.. those who think it'll be -30 cuts and -36 leads after two are way overestimating the power of playing on pro clubs..
Not saying scores won't lower... but we won't see scores shooting up there if the right courses / conditions are picked.
There are numerous future plat players currently playing on beer.. take a look at those scores, and factor in that those courses are not always that hard....
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Post by Doyley on Sept 5, 2021 0:03:08 GMT -5
I do think, that if possible, there should be some more kind of incentive for those that choose the Beer League to play because, as is, it is just another society one plays along with many others. There is no exclusive TGCTours draw that is unique on that tour right now. Maybe at least a tiered multi-tour (even if only two) system with promotions and demotions would be enough for some? It is a cross platform leaderboard - that would be one draw you wouldn't get from an in-game society. I would love to give it more bells and whistles but don't see that happening in the short term (ie this offseason)
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Post by booze2407 on Sept 5, 2021 0:05:18 GMT -5
True Sim will NOT be making any changes to settings, im 100% confident on that, ok i've said it. Definitely hoping so. Although, it’s hard to say that with only TST I’d have much motivation to even play at all anymore. This whole thing is definitely a gut punch lol
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Post by trentmcneely on Sept 5, 2021 0:07:40 GMT -5
I actually did as practice with no tempo because I didn't feel like playing on masters because I need to practice swing on masters a lot to hit the right shot.
I was shooting much better. I just can't execute those shots on masters swing because it really shrinks that perfect window to nothing, especially on 3 wood/driver. I screwed myself in my official round 4 (and almost cost me the tournament) because I did shape my 3 wood on hole 9 and then barely grey fasted and put me in a death spot. It would have been perfect with pro by a considerable margin.
This week would have been one of the harder weeks on pro. But there were a lot of shots I lost a chance at birdie because of barely grey fast/slow. Being able to add more spin onto the ball (and play higher tier clubs) really helps.
Again I'm just nitpicking. I think it'll be fun having to shoot incredibly low. To be absolutely dead on with every shot. But I also enjoy masters because then it's also skill (well, mostly skill. some of it is platform/controller dependent) to hit the tempo.
I think this is fundamentally because putting remains just as difficult on Pro settings, A lot of what makes certain courses on plat challenging are the crazy putts needed to be made within 10 feet proximity of the hole. Plat scores wont inflate terribly for this reason alone as a Ram Ranch (all the cowboys) pin 2 will still eat your breakfast. The question for me is if this overinflates the value of someone's putting skills over the rest of their game. As someone who is a bad putter, I might end up back in CC because of the swing change switch as my great tempo was what was holding me over in the pro tours to this day. In the end I've made peace with this decision. This will only most likely be this way for one season and then will probably change again either with a new game or with a new patch that we cant predict yet Maybe you guys are right. Run back the tour championship in each pro tour again this week with pro settings and see how the scores compare.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 5, 2021 0:10:33 GMT -5
I do think, that if possible, there should be some more kind of incentive for those that choose the Beer League to play because, as is, it is just another society one plays along with many others. There is no exclusive TGCTours draw that is unique on that tour right now. Maybe at least a tiered multi-tour (even if only two) system with promotions and demotions would be enough for some? It is a cross platform leaderboard - that would be one draw you wouldn't get from an in-game society. I would love to give it more bells and whistles but don't see that happening in the short term (ie this offseason)I wish I could have the foresight to figure out something to help here, even into next season, but I am a simple minded person.
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Post by Q on Sept 5, 2021 0:30:20 GMT -5
Maybe you guys are right. Run back the tour championship in each pro tour again this week with pro settings and see how the scores compare. Let's just say I have some "test" courses lined up for next season now that'll help me determine how much scores will change
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damay6977
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 107
TGCT Name: Damian Knott
Tour: Kinetic
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Post by damay6977 on Sept 5, 2021 0:30:35 GMT -5
Im sure we all agree that bringing more players into the game is the No.1 priority, it has to be, and changing to pro swing will do that. More players = more competition, which is fantastic. The majority of players, especially those on the pro tours will also acknowledge that pro swing is too easy and the game becomes a birdie and eagle feast and if you are not shooting birdie on every hole you are falling behind. Its very un-realistic. This is basically why the tempo upgrade was brought in early this year, because people were complaining how easy the game was and how unrealistic the scoring was. If the tempo goes back to pro there does need to be some other difficulty change to make more of a challenge and to try and make scoring a little more challenging, such as: Caddybook - off or Lie grid - off or Green grid - off or Scout cam - off
Not True Sim settings, but at least one or two of the above.
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Post by ErixonStone on Sept 5, 2021 0:33:13 GMT -5
I like the difficulty change in the spirit of competitive balance. We've seen for three seasons that there is a significant difference among platforms. Ultimately, it seems the choice was between cross-platform balance and challenging settings. I think the Pro swing is more accessible to new players.
I also don't think switching difficulty as players move up through the tours is a good idea. The game, itself, doesn't become more difficult as you move up in real life. Just the venues are more difficult, and the fields are better. But the act of hitting a golf ball doesn't change.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 5, 2021 0:43:04 GMT -5
It is a shame that the skill element is being taken out of TGC Tours. Scores will come down massively. TGC will become a putting contest now. No need for API checks anymore, as everyone on Plat will be able to hit perfect every shot anyway. May as well make the settings pro am. The perfect window for pro is huge.
Everyone will need to get used to very high winds and black salt valley type greens as this will be the only way to keep scores down.
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Post by coggin66 on Sept 5, 2021 0:46:39 GMT -5
Thumbs up from me ... but I'm biassed because I'm on XBox and been in Beer League nearly all season.
Based on that experience, moving to Pro will still have system imbalance between XBox and the rest and the scores will be lower. However I'd argue it becomes more skill based as it is more about playing the course, short game and putting than who gets shafted by the game most.
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Post by booze2407 on Sept 5, 2021 0:51:49 GMT -5
It is a shame that the skill element is being taken out of TGC Tours. Scores will come down massively. TGC will become a putting contest now. No need for API checks anymore, as everyone on Plat will be able to hit perfect every shot anyway. May as well make the settings pro am. The perfect window for pro is huge. Everyone will need to get used to very high winds and black salt valley type greens as this will be the only way to keep scores down. Yep..and a putting contest with a wider swing plane. Coming from someone who is a putt shanker, this is a bigger difference than people realize.
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