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Post by Doyley on Sept 4, 2021 21:45:50 GMT -5
Thanks for another great season – we had quite the roller-coaster ride with all the swing changes mid-season! Going to get straight to the point (form) and then into the details further down: - Season 8 start date is TBD due to some things on the site that need to be completed before we can tee it up
- Main Tours and TST will be moving to Pro Swing
- Beer League settings will be made harder
- No initial site wide qualifying event to start season 8 - pick up where you left off (if you had a tour card for main tours)
- Promotion/Demotion marks carry over
- Donation drive prior to start of the season
- True Sim Tour may be delayed as well
Season 8There are a few things we need to have set up on site before we’re ready to go. We’re going to integrate a donation system into the main site to handle all finances going forward. Main reason for this is to have TGCT’s finances in one spot, easy to track and easy to bring forward to the member base to accurately show what our costs are and how much we need to bring in to break even.
There are also a few admin features I need implemented with regards to Promotion Events and other special events that would allow me to run 100% of a season without requiring Tim’s help – save for emergency situations. Once Tim is able to get this implemented we will be able to turn around get the next season started. It’s possible we don’t start at the same time as the real PGA season. Pro Swing The main goal of TGC Tours is to provide cross platform competition. I don’t feel the Master swing, as it sits now after the recent changes, is a fair swing across the 3 consoles we support. In the spirit of competition we’ll be moving our main tours to Pro swing which will bring us closer to a competitive balance. I realize the scores will be a bit bonkers but that is not a major concern. True Sim Tour has also announced they are moving to Pro Swing for the upcoming season.Beer League The Beer League will move to a difficult swing setting to provide a place to play for people that enjoyed Master (or harder) swing settings. The exact settings are not set in stone. I plan on running a couple of exhibition events during the downtime to see what settings people want the most. I’ve whittled it down to 3 options: Master swing (same settings we’re using now on main tours), Legend swing, or Legend swing/No Tempo. Everything else will remain the same – if you opt into the Beer League you are not on the Main Tours. Keep an eye on the forums for more discussion on this and likely a poll. Carry OverWe will not be having an initial site wide qualifying event. We expect all those currently in the beer league will register for the first qualifying event of the season. We will give it a week or two to fill up our numbers and then will have a Promotion Event scheduled fairly quickly to help balance out the skill of all our tours. Any promotion or demotion marks you currently have will carry over into the new season. Donation Drive
We plan to hold a donation drive prior to the start of the season. The longevity of TGC Tours will be dependant on member donations offsetting the costs to run TGC Tours. This circles back to us providing as much detail as possible with regards to what our costs are and how much we need to break even. True Sim Tour I'll be in touch with the TST admin to make sure they are aware of our timelines. It's possible they may be delayed as well depending on the state of the site. Feel free to discuss and ask questions below - just note that it will be heavily moderated as these threads can get off topic fairly often.
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Post by dmviking on Sept 4, 2021 21:52:15 GMT -5
The move to pro difficulty will even things up for sure and might actually increase activity again. I know a lot of participation fell off following the swing changes and only us masochists stuck around. Great decision, in my opinion. I'm looking forward to the next season. Thanks for all the hard work behind the scenes!
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karacakes
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 174
TGCT Name: Kara Santos
Tour: Platinum
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Post by karacakes on Sept 4, 2021 22:01:08 GMT -5
I really like the difficulty. Masters on PC/PS is similar. Xbox gets super screwed by it though and I understand that, empathize with them. Is there any sense of compromise with Plat (or a new higher tier) being masters so that the best of the best (or just masochists) have something with rankings and proper integration with the rest of the tours.
At the end of the day though, pro or masters, I will be playing. I don't mind pro difficulty. I just feel like, at least for 2 of the platforms, masters provides a good skill check compared to pro. Wish there was a difficulty between the two though.
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Post by tomtendo on Sept 4, 2021 22:08:32 GMT -5
Pro swing… uh that’s… dumb….
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Post by catcherman22 on Sept 4, 2021 22:10:36 GMT -5
I really like the difficulty. Masters on PC/PS is similar. Xbox gets super screwed by it though and I understand that, empathize with them. Is there any sense of compromise with Plat (or a new higher tier) being masters so that the best of the best (or just masochists) have something with rankings and proper integration with the rest of the tours. At the end of the day though, pro or masters, I will be playing. I don't mind pro difficulty. I just feel like, at least for 2 of the platforms, masters provides a good skill check compared to pro. Wish there was a difficulty between the two though. That would most likely be the new beer league been said that there won’t be any difficulty changes in the main tour… we’ve tried that and it just doesn’t work. To be successful, the main tours all need to be one difficulty.
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Post by Q on Sept 4, 2021 22:11:13 GMT -5
I really like the difficulty. Masters on PC/PS is similar. Xbox gets super screwed by it though and I understand that, empathize with them. Is there any sense of compromise with Plat (or a new higher tier) being masters so that the best of the best (or just masochists) have something with rankings and proper integration with the rest of the tours. At the end of the day though, pro or masters, I will be playing. I don't mind pro difficulty. I just feel like, at least for 2 of the platforms, masters provides a good skill check compared to pro. Wish there was a difficulty between the two though. I agree with kara here. I would love if pro tours stayed at masters level and only CC became pro, or even just platinum. These players are already too good at the game on masters settings, the skill ceiling on pro settings is easily reachable by a plat player. I know they are a small fragment of the community but they are some of the most devoted players. If beer league could become legends league or something and retain the difficulty thats another solution. If the ability to play at masters settings completely disappears from this site I think a lot of players will too
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Post by Doyley on Sept 4, 2021 22:17:49 GMT -5
I really like the difficulty. Masters on PC/PS is similar. Xbox gets super screwed by it though and I understand that, empathize with them. Is there any sense of compromise with Plat (or a new higher tier) being masters so that the best of the best (or just masochists) have something with rankings and proper integration with the rest of the tours. At the end of the day though, pro or masters, I will be playing. I don't mind pro difficulty. I just feel like, at least for 2 of the platforms, masters provides a good skill check compared to pro. Wish there was a difficulty between the two though. I agree with kara here. I would love if pro tours stayed at masters level and only CC became pro, or even just platinum. These players are already too good at the game on masters settings, the skill ceiling on pro settings is easily reachable by a plat player. I know they are a small fragment of the community but they are some of the most devoted players. If beer league could become legends league or something and retain the difficulty thats another solution. If the ability to play at masters settings completely disappears from this site I think a lot of players will too We won't be doing any split difficulty levels - the main tours will be all one - in this case, Pro Swing for this season. Beer League will be set up to cater to those that want a more challenging experience.
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karacakes
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 174
TGCT Name: Kara Santos
Tour: Platinum
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Post by karacakes on Sept 4, 2021 22:18:30 GMT -5
I really like the difficulty. Masters on PC/PS is similar. Xbox gets super screwed by it though and I understand that, empathize with them. Is there any sense of compromise with Plat (or a new higher tier) being masters so that the best of the best (or just masochists) have something with rankings and proper integration with the rest of the tours. At the end of the day though, pro or masters, I will be playing. I don't mind pro difficulty. I just feel like, at least for 2 of the platforms, masters provides a good skill check compared to pro. Wish there was a difficulty between the two though. That would most likely be the new beer league been said that there won’t be any difficulty changes in the main tour… we’ve tried that and it just doesn’t work. To be successful, the main tours all need to be one difficulty. The only issue I have with Beer League is that we're removing a lot of what makes it fun to play on TGC. There's just no comparison with different tiers and no WGR ranking. It's a lot of fun climbing to the top to compete with the best of the best. I think almost nobody will play Beer League under new settings because people who played masters on the tour wanted to climb as high as they could and have a WGR tracking their progress along with it. It was a competitive decision, and moving to beer league if they wanna stick to those settings will not be rewarding whatsoever.
Anyways, that's my spiel at the end of the day. I will play whatever is decided on the main tour, I'm just speaking for a decent amount of the top players I know. They will make their thoughts known over the next few days I'm sure. I just know almost everyone on plat can hit near 100% perfects on pro and it becomes a pure numbers game of knowing the exact loft/spin you need on everything, instead of how most of us played with hitting a spot close enough while being able to still hit a perfect on masters.
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Post by HoneyBadgerHacker on Sept 4, 2021 22:22:19 GMT -5
How do the WGR figure into beer league if that’s going to be the tougher tour? To me and it’s just my opinion, doesn’t make much sense to make platinum easier if that will be the top pro tour.
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Post by littlewing8887 on Sept 4, 2021 22:22:43 GMT -5
Elite player here.. I've climbed from CC-D and I've loved the journey. I have no interest in returning if this is on Pro. As said above, beer league is pointless. Might as well play in any one of the many societies at that point. Promotions and demotions make this appealing to me. I'll be really sad if this decision stays, but it was fun while it lasted.
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Sept 4, 2021 22:23:36 GMT -5
Is it going to change so we can play in both beer league and the main tours? I will play the main tours regardless but it would be nice to get the challenge of master settings every once in awhile as well.
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Post by InsanericK on Sept 4, 2021 22:23:57 GMT -5
Wow that's quite a change! Lots of players are quitting, turning it to Pro will attrack many new player. Shocking, but I like it!
Legend swing would be nice for the Beer League if you want something tougher. Or Pro swing without green grid, scout cam ON, so we can truly analyse the greens when putting. But please no Legend/Timing off.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 4, 2021 22:25:31 GMT -5
How do the WGR figure into beer league if that’s going to be the tougher tour? To me and it’s just my opinion, doesn’t make much sense to make platinum easier if that will be the top pro tour. There is no WGR on Beer League. Money list is the go-to for rankings.
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Post by dingersinger on Sept 4, 2021 22:26:45 GMT -5
I just know almost everyone on plat can hit near 100% perfects on pro and it becomes a pure numbers game of knowing the exact loft/spin you need on everything, instead of how most of us played with hitting a spot close enough while being able to still hit a perfect on masters.
For a lot of players at a high skill level, I think it might as well be on beginner. I realize the goal here is probably not to appeal to the top level players, but as a plat player I'm not looking forward to what this will do to the more competitive tours.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 4, 2021 22:27:02 GMT -5
Is it going to change so we can play in both beer league and the main tours? I will play the main tours regardless but it would be nice to get the challenge of master settings every once in awhile as well. No, most things on site will remain the same including not being able to play in both the Beer League and main tours at the same time.
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