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Post by cosmo on Jul 13, 2021 10:45:41 GMT -5
I was never great but could at least make a few cuts... but since the swing update I have gone from averaging even par to -5, I am often +10 or worse; tried playing hundreds of rounds, little improvement. I see the advice to set tempo to off but that negates me from playing on the tour! Are others having this problem? I was never a "red fast" player. I use an XBOX controller on a PC if that matters... Would appreciate any advice, thanks
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Post by mrohde4 on Jul 13, 2021 13:05:56 GMT -5
Hard to provide constructive advice without seeing you play, but here are some general nuggets:
- Stay out of the overswing, i.e. stay below the red 101% or more when playing full shots. A 98% with gray/white tempo is a better shot than a 101% red tempo miss. Pull back the aim point 3-4 yards and then take a normal swing. - Prioritize fairways, even if it means losing distance. A 284-carry driver with more forgiveness will be more beneficial than a 295 bomber with no forgiveness - Learn how to chip, even from 20-30 yards off the green. The chipping mechanic isn't as punishing as splash or flop. Plus these shots are more fun and can bring in some imagination. - Use the practice swing function. - Play each hole backwards before teeing off. Short grass and full shots MUST be priorities on 4s and 5s. When playing a short par 4 or reachable par 5, lay up to a full shot unless you can gain a full shot, i.e. drive the green or reach in two. If you're just bombing for the sake of bombing, you'll probably wind up in some shaky spots which lead to big numbers. - Prioritize course management. On a tough pin with short-sided punishment, the middle of the green won't hurt you. If aiming toward the middle of the green, a gray fast/slow will still probably land on the green. - Make putting your biggest strength.
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Post by axelvonfersen on Jul 13, 2021 13:34:47 GMT -5
Use easier clubs, Play safer shots, lay up to full wedges instead of pitch shots and splashes? Chip instead of splashing where possible?
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Post by peskypeanut on Jul 13, 2021 15:52:59 GMT -5
Hard to provide constructive advice without seeing you play, but here are some general nuggets: - Stay out of the overswing, i.e. stay below the red 101% or more when playing full shots. A 98% with gray/white tempo is a better shot than a 101% red tempo miss. Pull back the aim point 3-4 yards and then take a normal swing. - Prioritize fairways, even if it means losing distance. A 284-carry driver with more forgiveness will be more beneficial than a 295 bomber with no forgiveness - Learn how to chip, even from 20-30 yards off the green. The chipping mechanic isn't as punishing as splash or flop. Plus these shots are more fun and can bring in some imagination. - Use the practice swing function. - Play each hole backwards before teeing off. Short grass and full shots MUST be priorities on 4s and 5s. When playing a short par 4 or reachable par 5, lay up to a full shot unless you can gain a full shot, i.e. drive the green or reach in two. If you're just bombing for the sake of bombing, you'll probably wind up in some shaky spots which lead to big numbers. - Prioritize course management. On a tough pin with short-sided punishment, the middle of the green won't hurt you. If aiming toward the middle of the green, a gray fast/slow will still probably land on the green. - Make putting your biggest strength. This is great advice.
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Post by jcauthen04 on Jul 13, 2021 17:00:33 GMT -5
Hard to provide constructive advice without seeing you play, but here are some general nuggets: - Stay out of the overswing, i.e. stay below the red 101% or more when playing full shots. A 98% with gray/white tempo is a better shot than a 101% red tempo miss. Pull back the aim point 3-4 yards and then take a normal swing. - Prioritize fairways, even if it means losing distance. A 284-carry driver with more forgiveness will be more beneficial than a 295 bomber with no forgiveness - Learn how to chip, even from 20-30 yards off the green. The chipping mechanic isn't as punishing as splash or flop. Plus these shots are more fun and can bring in some imagination. - Use the practice swing function. - Play each hole backwards before teeing off. Short grass and full shots MUST be priorities on 4s and 5s. When playing a short par 4 or reachable par 5, lay up to a full shot unless you can gain a full shot, i.e. drive the green or reach in two. If you're just bombing for the sake of bombing, you'll probably wind up in some shaky spots which lead to big numbers. - Prioritize course management. On a tough pin with short-sided punishment, the middle of the green won't hurt you. If aiming toward the middle of the green, a gray fast/slow will still probably land on the green. - Make putting your biggest strength. All good advice above! I'm surprised at how difficult it is to hit 100% on normal swings though. I find that I'm reported at 101%, at least 60% of the time when I'm trying to hit 98 to 100%. There seems to be an inordinate amount of stick travel between what produces a 100% swing and the mechanical stop in the controller body. I think I just need to spend a lot of time on the practice range getting a better feel for that.
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Post by hammers1man on Jul 13, 2021 17:20:18 GMT -5
They have really penalised distance now though, a 94% shot really loses a lot of distance, more than it should imo. It is easier to pull off those 90% 5 woods for me now when I am trying to bridge the gap of my 4 iron, used to be a guaranteed red fast before the swing tweaks.
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Post by cosmo on Jul 14, 2021 8:53:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies & advice Folks..... I have focused on most of these points but I will re-think them. I have used both a longer driver and the most forgiving one (267 yd Taylor Made) but so many of my misses are so far off center that the different clubs did not seem to yield much difference. i will alternate betwee very fast & very slow and am silply unable to detect or feel much difference. I am also wondering whether my controller has gotten old / worn out; I read somewhere that a PS4 controller yields more tempo consistency than an XBOX?
Thanks
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Post by JosiaDB on Jul 15, 2021 8:05:57 GMT -5
I was never great but could at least make a few cuts... but since the swing update I have gone from averaging even par to -5, I am often +10 or worse; tried playing hundreds of rounds, little improvement. I see the advice to set tempo to off but that negates me from playing on the tour! Are others having this problem? I was never a "red fast" player. I use an XBOX controller on a PC if that matters... Would appreciate any advice, thanks
Cosmo, you sound like you are in exactly the same boat as me. I have always been decent, (at least in my book) , but never great. I am pretty firmly in CC-K, and to be honest, thats about where I belong. I'm in the category of happy to get a par, elated to get more than two-four birdies. I play on PC, and use the XBox controller.
I had gotten to a point where I felt really good about my game, mainly due to a lot of great advice from hammers1man He really helped me learn to putt with his advice, and I'm sure he'd be glad to give you the same. One bad tempo shot on a hole can be saved with a made putt I've found.
But then, when they did the swing update, my game went from +1/2 to -4/5 to +5ish to +10ish, just like you are saying. I tried everything, very little improvement. Until I remembered a trick I used back in the TCG2 days, and I tried it, and it has helped IMMENSELY. I'm now back to what I was before the swing update. honest.
When everyone talks about using the practice swing, they are usually talking about clicking the right button, or whatever it is, to go into practice swing mode, and trying a couple practice swings with the meter, until they get it close, then clicking the button again to go back to live mode.
That does not work for me. I'm just not good enough with a controller to retain the muscle memory or whatever by the time I have clicked that button again.
What I do is, NOT click the button, but I just take a practice backswing ONLY, then let off the controller instead of pushing it forward, and let the club fall back to the ball.
I've been watching, and apparently on every single swing, what the game wants, is the forward swing to be close to what the backswing is, in tempo, with a slight pause at the top. That is extremely hard to match, for someone like me, that is not great with controllers, and for people that have problems with the framerate, because you may not actually see what the game is seeing in the background. So by going back, then letting it drop, you are doing two things. You are getting that backswing tempo in your head, and you are loading that animation into the computers "memory" so to speak, so if you immediately do it again, its smoother the second and third time. I've seen this personally, at least on my computer. The first time I take a backswing, its faster, and sometimes jerky. If I let the club fall back to home position, and immediately take a second backswing, the second one is sometimes slower, sometimes noticably smoother, and never jerky.
So I'll be ready to swing, and I'll take anywhere from one to three backswings in a row, before I actually go forward with the actual forward swing. I don't push the controller forward, until I feel comfortable that the backswing is smooth and stable, and that I have the speed of the backswing for that shot ingrained in my head.
I hope this nonsense has made some sense, trying to explain what I'm doing. It has honestly improved my tempo getting perfects or at least non reds, from about 10-20% of the time, to around 75% of the time, just doing this one thing, and now 95% of the time when I hit it fast or slow, I can feel it again, and know without the meter that I hit it that way.
hope some of that helped you.
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Post by cosmo on Jul 16, 2021 14:21:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip Josiah, I will definitely practice that and try it. I thought I read somewhere that the game no longer cares about the backswing, only the downswing; I definitely remember the flow & transition being important in earlier versions of the game.
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Post by hammers1man on Jul 16, 2021 16:11:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip Josiah, I will definitely practice that and try it. I thought I read somewhere that the game no longer cares about the backswing, only the downswing; I definitely remember the flow & transition being important in earlier versions of the game. A plugged in DS4 is much more consistent for tempo for me. I have been using Xbox one controller and a recently bought Series X controller for this game and all TGC games.I recently started using my DS4 on PC and my game feels so much better and consistent, a fast feels like a fast and a slow low a slow now. If you can get yourself a DS4 controller, it just feels so much more responsive and consistent. Also make sure you are getting good framerates, I cap my FPS to 96 FPS and adjust my settings so I never dip below 70fps. With G-Sync it is a smooth flawless experience on my 100hz monitor.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 16, 2021 21:27:58 GMT -5
Mouse it
Rant over
lol
Onward!
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 20, 2021 11:56:57 GMT -5
Sometimes I think the game temporarily decouples itself from the swing calibration. Like it randomly loses the timing I developed in the Swing Calibration part of Training.
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Post by hammers1man on Jul 20, 2021 14:43:49 GMT -5
Sometimes I think the game temporarily decouples itself from the swing calibration. Like it randomly loses the timing I developed in the Swing Calibration part of Training. It does seem like it sets itself back to default at times.
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