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Post by sandbagger on Jun 24, 2021 23:55:30 GMT -5
I would rather see a break off of separate divisions for Xbox / PlayStation / PC. Way too much separation now (score wise) from what operating system your playing on. Would be way more fair for so many putting Xbox players in a separate league. We literally can’t even compete anymore post patch. And the game was hard enough pre patch. I volunteered on this , and even had some backing help, in running another tgc Xbox separation league. But my only responses were leave and start another society
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Post by peskypeanut on Jun 25, 2021 3:20:02 GMT -5
I would rather see a break off of separate divisions for Xbox / PlayStation / PC. Way too much separation now (score wise) from what operating system your playing on. Would be way more fair for so many putting Xbox players in a separate league. We literally can’t even compete anymore post patch. And the game was hard enough pre patch. I volunteered on this , and even had some backing help, in running another tgc Xbox separation league. But my only responses were leave and start another society This won’t happen, not sure why people keep banging this drum. There would be no point in having TGC if it was separate systems. The whole point is cross platform leaderboards. If it was separate systems you would surely use the in game leaderboards. Hopefully, the next game will work on Xbox. Unfortunately, the only short term solution is buy a pc or Xbox. There is no point to continue to whine about the current state of the game. Everything that can be said has already been said. No one is forcing you to play, either accept things the way they are and try to complete as best you can or stop playing Tgc.
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Post by peskypeanut on Jun 25, 2021 3:21:04 GMT -5
I would rather see a break off of separate divisions for Xbox / PlayStation / PC. Way too much separation now (score wise) from what operating system your playing on. Would be way more fair for so many putting Xbox players in a separate league. We literally can’t even compete anymore post patch. And the game was hard enough pre patch. I volunteered on this , and even had some backing help, in running another tgc Xbox separation league. But my only responses were leave and start another society This won’t happen, not sure why people keep banging this drum. There would be no point in having TGC if it was separate systems. The whole point is cross platform leaderboards. If it was separate systems you would surely use the in game leaderboards. Hopefully, the next game will work on Xbox. Unfortunately, the only short term solution is buy a pc or Xbox. There is no point to continue to whine about the current state of the game. Everything that can be said has already been said. No one is forcing you to play, either accept things the way they are and try to complete as best you can or stop playing Tgc. Sorry I meant buy a PlayStation not xbox
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Post by twofor22 on Jun 25, 2021 6:04:29 GMT -5
That's what the promotion events are for I suppose. There should be another one coming up soon. No I mean take everyone’s average score and arrange them, going up or down I'm not sure if that would work, eventually it would end up back at the same situation it is now as people improve. There's also the issue of having a really good or really bad couple of weeks skewing the average. I think it's fine as it is now. You can't expect to be near the top of the leaderboard every single week, and even if you are you'll get promoted up a flight and have to compete against better players there.
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Post by gunslinger1972 on Jun 25, 2021 13:00:15 GMT -5
Doesn’t matter what anyone does. This game freaking sucks
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Post by booze2407 on Jun 25, 2021 18:33:09 GMT -5
I realize the purpose of the cut for realism and because people out of contention may not want to play 2 more rounds. However, in the opinion solely of what I would find most enjoyable, I think having no cut at all would be better. Having the chance to battle back after a mediocre start would be very enjoyable. Perhaps demo marks could be calculated based on first two rounds, but all participants remain able to finish the tournament and place if they complete 4 rounds? Just an idea I’m sure we are in the minority, but I agree 100%. Sounds crazy, but probably the most fun I have with this game is playing rds 3 and 4 after making the cut but still being pretty far out from the leaders. Its fun trying to claw your way up to top 10, but also not really caring too much so it’s just stress free and enjoyable. I would definitely play it out even if my first two rounds were terrible, if it still counted.
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Post by dingersinger on Jun 25, 2021 21:27:08 GMT -5
I realize the purpose of the cut for realism and because people out of contention may not want to play 2 more rounds. However, in the opinion solely of what I would find most enjoyable, I think having no cut at all would be better. Having the chance to battle back after a mediocre start would be very enjoyable. Perhaps demo marks could be calculated based on first two rounds, but all participants remain able to finish the tournament and place if they complete 4 rounds? Just an idea I’m sure we are in the minority, but I agree 100%. Sounds crazy, but probably the most fun I have with this game is playing rds 3 and 4 after making the cut but still being pretty far out from the leaders. Its fun trying to claw your way up to top 10, but also not really caring too much so it’s just stress free and enjoyable. I would definitely play it out even if my first two rounds were terrible, if it still counted. I'm with ya 100% there. being in contention is stressful, I think I definitely play better and more relaxed when I know I'm not gonna win lol
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Jun 25, 2021 21:59:24 GMT -5
I’m sure we are in the minority, but I agree 100%. Sounds crazy, but probably the most fun I have with this game is playing rds 3 and 4 after making the cut but still being pretty far out from the leaders. Its fun trying to claw your way up to top 10, but also not really caring too much so it’s just stress free and enjoyable. I would definitely play it out even if my first two rounds were terrible, if it still counted. I'm with ya 100% there. being in contention is stressful, I think I definitely play better and more relaxed when I know I'm not gonna win lol Tried in season (edit) four when TGC2 came out with the World Tour. It would be even worse with a full field, IMO. For example, I am t-108th out of 152 after two rounds and I have to play two more rounds? Just... why?! I wasn't good enough for the week to move on. Fair enough and I'll give it another go next week. If I had scraped by to make the cut I am all for improving my position, but if I played poorly in R1/R2 I shouldn't be able to play the next two as the rest of my peers outclassed me for the week. Also, having no cut-line takes away some of the urgency of playing well out of the gate.
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Post by dingersinger on Jun 26, 2021 1:55:58 GMT -5
I'm with ya 100% there. being in contention is stressful, I think I definitely play better and more relaxed when I know I'm not gonna win lol Tried in season (edit) four when TGC2 came out with the World Tour. It would be even worse with a full field, IMO. For example, I am t-108th out of 152 after two rounds and I have to play two more rounds? Just... why?! I wasn't good enough for the week to move on. Fair enough and I'll give it another go next week. If I had scraped by to make the cut I am all for improving my position, but if I played poorly in R1/R2 I shouldn't be able to play the next two as the rest of my peers outclassed me for the week. Also, having no cut-line takes away some of the urgency of playing well out of the gate. Thats why I think running the demo marks based on only round one and two scores would be optimal still. if you don't want to play R3&4 then you won't get any WGR points or have a chance at promo marks for the applicable tours, but the obligation could remain the same.
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Post by bubbsboy100. on Jun 26, 2021 5:16:48 GMT -5
Has to be a cut line. Makes it more interesting and mimmicks real life golf.
I do think more promotions and demotions but in truth the way the tours are ran is only thing that keeps me playing.
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Post by jimmyjetstar on Jun 26, 2021 11:33:45 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents, which means nothing, LOL. Have the cut line at 70 which mimics real golf but also keep the promotion and demotion marks the same. Also, I don't know what the percentage is for demotions but in case you have only 80 players in the tourney anyone making the cut should not get a demotion. For example, this week I missed the cut by 1 stroke, I was in the 55th position. That's the rules but I'm not going to play the next 2 rounds. If we had a 70 player cut, 14 more players would have made the cut and the bottom 18 would have gotten demotion marks, which they did anyway, and 2 people that had demotion marks would not have gotten one. I'm sure every level is different as far as participation but like I said, my 2 cents.
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Post by crunchshark on Jun 26, 2021 12:05:32 GMT -5
I used to like the exemption system we had a few year ago.
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Post by greyosprey on Jun 26, 2021 16:34:03 GMT -5
I would think one would wanted more people to play and finish all four rounds, not restrict that by making the cut line even smaller. Sure, everyone can play all 4 rds if they want, but if you miss the cut, what's the point? More participation, and thus the potential for more donations, should be the goal.
To say system doesn't matter is plain wrong. Having moved to XSX, I can firmly state that there is very little "competing" against other systems. The issues Xbox players have with swing timing are real. And no, the solution isn't to throw good money after bad and buy a PS just to play this mediocre golf game. I wouldn't waste my money buying a new controller to play it.
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Post by MachOne117 on Jun 26, 2021 19:25:03 GMT -5
I think fewer players should make the cut. I am usually just in or just out. Players toward the bottom of the cut have no chance at a promotion mark. Once I clear my demotion marks by making the cut, I am in limbo. Never bad enough to gather demotion marks, but never good enough the get promotion marks. Just treading water. Maybe the promotion cut line should move from top 60% to 40%, and the demotion mark line should increase from 15% to 30%. Just a thought from my playing perspective. So, it sounds like the purpose of your proposal is to only have people playing the last two rounds that are within striking distance to get promo marks. If that is a correct restating of your end goal, why base the cut line on percentages at all? Begin a bit of a sarcastic voice… Base it on strokes behind the lowest player that is projected to get promo marks at the conclusion of round two. Anyone deemed to “have no chance at a promotion mark” by the all powerful algorithm (formerly a simple percentage) will be unceremoniously eliminated (cut) from contention. The algorithm, henceforth referred to as Al, will perfectly decide who is in and out. With advanced future looking technology (I.e. a DeLorean and flux capacitor) Al will be able to ensure all who aren’t cut won’t be disappointed by the dullness of rounds 3 and 4 as they remain in the mix. They’ll feel like they have a shot at a green up arrow and it will be an experience to remember. Some weeks, only 17 players might make the cut, but those 17 will receive everything promised by the producers of Al, Rekall. Back to seriousness… The way through this requires each person to decide why you play. If it’s only to get to Platinum by moving up the CCs and through Kinetic and Elite, then what happens when you get there? You’ll have lost the only motivation to play you’ve had. And, I don’t think saying, “Platinum isn’t my goal” is logical unless your goal isn’t to gain promotion marks at all. For instance, if a CC-D player says they just want to get to CC-B, then they lose their only motivation once there. Or if the same player says their goal isn’t Platinum, but to just make it to Pro (Kinetic) then again once there they lose their motivation. So, there’s got to be more to it. I guess I play with the following goals in mind (or for the following reasons maybe). Overall1. To have fun! Woohoo! And I find the game fun regardless of how I compare to others. 2. Friendly competition (regardless of level) If not for those two, I wouldn’t play at all. Kinda like real golf. Long-Term1. Self-improvement (can be measured in many ways) a. Moving up the tours b. Improving WGR c. Improving stats (average score, FIR, GIR, etc…) d. Money list 2. Gaining friendships and some level of respect in the community Short-Term1. Win a tournament 2. Top 10 in tourney (or get promo mark) 3. “Feeling” like I played a solid tournament through 4 rounds 4. Making the cut 5. If I miss the cut (and have time to play R3 and R4) I use it for practice/reps 6. To hit that next buttery smooth 7-iron to 3 feet If the long- or short-term goals/reasons aren’t leading to the overall goals of having fun with friendly competition then maybe a break is needed to rejuvenate. Hey, the pros in real life do it!
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Post by gatorman on Jun 27, 2021 6:23:13 GMT -5
I think fewer players should make the cut. I am usually just in or just out. Players toward the bottom of the cut have no chance at a promotion mark. Once I clear my demotion marks by making the cut, I am in limbo. Never bad enough to gather demotion marks, but never good enough the get promotion marks. Just treading water. Maybe the promotion cut line should move from top 60% to 40%, and the demotion mark line should increase from 15% to 30%. Just a thought from my playing perspective. So, it sounds like the purpose of your proposal is to only have people playing the last two rounds that are within striking distance to get promo marks. If that is a correct restating of your end goal, why base the cut line on percentages at all? Begin a bit of a sarcastic voice… Base it on strokes behind the lowest player that is projected to get promo marks at the conclusion of round two. Anyone deemed to “have no chance at a promotion mark” by the all powerful algorithm (formerly a simple percentage) will be unceremoniously eliminated (cut) from contention. The algorithm, henceforth referred to as Al, will perfectly decide who is in and out. With advanced future looking technology (I.e. a DeLorean and flux capacitor) Al will be able to ensure all who aren’t cut won’t be disappointed by the dullness of rounds 3 and 4 as they remain in the mix. They’ll feel like they have a shot at a green up arrow and it will be an experience to remember. Some weeks, only 17 players might make the cut, but those 17 will receive everything promised by the producers of Al, Rekall. Back to seriousness… The way through this requires each person to decide why you play. If it’s only to get to Platinum by moving up the CCs and through Kinetic and Elite, then what happens when you get there? You’ll have lost the only motivation to play you’ve had. And, I don’t think saying, “Platinum isn’t my goal” is logical unless your goal isn’t to gain promotion marks at all. For instance, if a CC-D player says they just want to get to CC-B, then they lose their only motivation once there. Or if the same player says their goal isn’t Platinum, but to just make it to Pro (Kinetic) then again once there they lose their motivation. So, there’s got to be more to it. I guess I play with the following goals in mind (or for the following reasons maybe). Overall1. To have fun! Woohoo! And I find the game fun regardless of how I compare to others. 2. Friendly competition (regardless of level) If not for those two, I wouldn’t play at all. Kinda like real golf. Long-Term1. Self-improvement (can be measured in many ways) a. Moving up the tours b. Improving WGR c. Improving stats (average score, FIR, GIR, etc…) d. Money list 2. Gaining friendships and some level of respect in the community Short-Term1. Win a tournament 2. Top 10 in tourney (or get promo mark) 3. “Feeling” like I played a solid tournament through 4 rounds 4. Making the cut 5. If I miss the cut (and have time to play R3 and R4) I use it for practice/reps 6. To hit that next buttery smooth 7-iron to 3 feet If the long- or short-term goals/reasons aren’t leading to the overall goals of having fun with friendly competition then maybe a break is needed to rejuvenate. Hey, the pros in real life do it! I wasn't looking into the psychology of the cut line. I'm sure there are other players like me that are stuck in a flight with no chance of moving up or down (unless you purposely tank or withdraw). It just seems like low scores come out of nowhere when I see player profiles that are a month old shooting -30 or better in tournaments. The player base here should have settled by now where the better players moved up, and each flight would be a bit better balanced with a closer range of scoring with tighter competition on the leaderboard. I can make cuts, but be 15 or more shots out of contention for a promo mark.
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