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Post by gatorman on Jun 23, 2021 20:32:35 GMT -5
I think fewer players should make the cut. I am usually just in or just out. Players toward the bottom of the cut have no chance at a promotion mark. Once I clear my demotion marks by making the cut, I am in limbo. Never bad enough to gather demotion marks, but never good enough the get promotion marks. Just treading water. Maybe the promotion cut line should move from top 60% to 40%, and the demotion mark line should increase from 15% to 30%. Just a thought from my playing perspective.
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Post by honeybadger64 on Jun 24, 2021 0:14:52 GMT -5
I think fewer players should make the cut. I am usually just in or just out. Players toward the bottom of the cut have no chance at a promotion mark. Once I clear my demotion marks by making the cut, I am in limbo. Never bad enough to gather demotion marks, but never good enough the get promotion marks. Just treading water. Maybe the promotion cut line should move from top 60% to 40%, and the demotion mark line should increase from 15% to 30%. Just a thought from my playing perspective. So just to be clear, after the red fast nerf, the red slow/partial shot re-adjustment and courses scheduled before these changes came in making scoring more difficult, you want to give another 20% of players no incentive to play their third and fourth rounds each week plus fast-tracking demotions? I fully understand the issue of treading water. In four months between December and March I managed to make just two cuts in CC-B. Due to two weeks where issues with scores being brought across I had eleven demo marks removed and seven months on I am still exactly where I was. I now mostly make cuts but have no chance of winning. For the current thousand or so folk who play the Challenge Circuit there are 12 who will win each week and only 125 or so who will receive green marks with a similar number getting red ones. For most there will be no change. Over time you will end up roughly where you should be. The cut line roughly mirrors the PGA tour and as such is a completely reasonable mechanism. If you feel stuck where you are just drop your tour card for a week and do Qualifying again. You may end up in a lower flight where you may be more successful and get back on the promotion trail but at some point you will reach the level where your ability/issues with the platform you play on/time available to practice/new changes introduced by the developer will bring your progress to a standstill and you will be treading water again. In short reducing the number of players making the cut and penalising more for not making it cannot, in my opinion, have a beneficial effect upon the tour as a whole. If an individual is dissatisfied with where they find themselves they have it within their own gift to make a change to that situation without punching 35% of those still willing to tee it up on TGCT in the genitalia.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Jun 24, 2021 1:01:01 GMT -5
I think fewer players should make the cut. I am usually just in or just out. Players toward the bottom of the cut have no chance at a promotion mark. Once I clear my demotion marks by making the cut, I am in limbo. Never bad enough to gather demotion marks, but never good enough the get promotion marks. Just treading water. Maybe the promotion cut line should move from top 60% to 40%, and the demotion mark line should increase from 15% to 30%. Just a thought from my playing perspective. You are describing players finishing most of the time in the middle of a specific tours' field gravitating towards staying there. This is an argument towards keeping it as is, IMO. Your tweaks are just adding variance for the sake of adding shorter term demotions/promotions at the expense of keeping players in a tour that they "should" belong in.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Jun 24, 2021 4:00:10 GMT -5
I think the cut should be 75 not 65 because we when i was on Platinum (before update) i was literally just making cuts, after update I missed cut by a shot or 2 for 7 weeks straight, but not by enough to get any Demote marks, as i kept missing cuts, I asked the Bosses if I could self Demote, Answer was NO, but could I let system Demote me as it was intended, so i racked up my 5 Demotion Marks by taking shot limits on holes 17 and 18 of Rd2 (not proudly may I add) of events to get required marks. So i'm back to Elite and Guess What? I'm missing cuts by the same 1 or 2 shots. My Suggestion:- 1:- Cut Line Increased to 75 on all Tours. 2:- Promotion Marks Required to go up changed from 3 to 5. 3:- Demotion Marks Required to go Down changed from 5 to 3. Thus meaning its Harder to both get Promoted and Its Harder to stay Promoted once there.
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Post by gatorman on Jun 24, 2021 6:38:02 GMT -5
I think fewer players should make the cut. I am usually just in or just out. Players toward the bottom of the cut have no chance at a promotion mark. Once I clear my demotion marks by making the cut, I am in limbo. Never bad enough to gather demotion marks, but never good enough the get promotion marks. Just treading water. Maybe the promotion cut line should move from top 60% to 40%, and the demotion mark line should increase from 15% to 30%. Just a thought from my playing perspective. So just to be clear, after the red fast nerf, the red slow/partial shot re-adjustment and courses scheduled before these changes came in making scoring more difficult, you want to give another 20% of players no incentive to play their third and fourth rounds each week plus fast-tracking demotions? I fully understand the issue of treading water. In four months between December and March I managed to make just two cuts in CC-B. Due to two weeks where issues with scores being brought across I had eleven demo marks removed and seven months on I am still exactly where I was. I now mostly make cuts but have no chance of winning. For the current thousand or so folk who play the Challenge Circuit there are 12 who will win each week and only 125 or so who will receive green marks with a similar number getting red ones. For most there will be no change. Over time you will end up roughly where you should be. The cut line roughly mirrors the PGA tour and as such is a completely reasonable mechanism. If you feel stuck where you are just drop your tour card for a week and do Qualifying again. You may end up in a lower flight where you may be more successful and get back on the promotion trail but at some point you will reach the level where your ability/issues with the platform you play on/time available to practice/new changes introduced by the developer will bring your progress to a standstill and you will be treading water again. In short reducing the number of players making the cut and penalising more for not making it cannot, in my opinion, have a beneficial effect upon the tour as a whole. If an individual is dissatisfied with where they find themselves they have it within their own gift to make a change to that situation without punching 35% of those still willing to tee it up on TGCT in the genitalia. I'm not sure what the incentive is to finish the last 2 rounds when you make the cut, but are 10 or more shots out of a chance for a promotion mark. The cut line should establish a point where all that qualify are within a reasonable striking distance of gaining a promotion mark. The rest are just cannon fodder. You would think all the better players would have been positioned in their appropriate flights by now, but for some reason my flight CC-I always seems to have 10 or more players that shoot much better than the field. Not sure where these much better players keep coming from, or why they haven't moved up, but they really seem to skew the competition.
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Post by moneyman273 on Jun 24, 2021 7:17:12 GMT -5
So just to be clear, after the red fast nerf, the red slow/partial shot re-adjustment and courses scheduled before these changes came in making scoring more difficult, you want to give another 20% of players no incentive to play their third and fourth rounds each week plus fast-tracking demotions? I fully understand the issue of treading water. In four months between December and March I managed to make just two cuts in CC-B. Due to two weeks where issues with scores being brought across I had eleven demo marks removed and seven months on I am still exactly where I was. I now mostly make cuts but have no chance of winning. For the current thousand or so folk who play the Challenge Circuit there are 12 who will win each week and only 125 or so who will receive green marks with a similar number getting red ones. For most there will be no change. Over time you will end up roughly where you should be. The cut line roughly mirrors the PGA tour and as such is a completely reasonable mechanism. If you feel stuck where you are just drop your tour card for a week and do Qualifying again. You may end up in a lower flight where you may be more successful and get back on the promotion trail but at some point you will reach the level where your ability/issues with the platform you play on/time available to practice/new changes introduced by the developer will bring your progress to a standstill and you will be treading water again. In short reducing the number of players making the cut and penalising more for not making it cannot, in my opinion, have a beneficial effect upon the tour as a whole. If an individual is dissatisfied with where they find themselves they have it within their own gift to make a change to that situation without punching 35% of those still willing to tee it up on TGCT in the genitalia. I'm not sure what the incentive is to finish the last 2 rounds when you make the cut, but are 10 or more shots out of a chance for a promotion mark. The cut line should establish a point where all that qualify are within a reasonable striking distance of gaining a promotion mark. The rest are just cannon fodder. You would think all the better players would have been positioned in their appropriate flights by now, but for some reason my flight CC-I always seems to have 10 or more players that shoot much better than the field. Not sure where these much better players keep coming from, or why they haven't moved up, but they really seem to skew the competition. Many of them are new to TGCT but play on PS4 or PC. That is what skews the competition.
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Jun 24, 2021 7:53:22 GMT -5
So just to be clear, after the red fast nerf, the red slow/partial shot re-adjustment and courses scheduled before these changes came in making scoring more difficult, you want to give another 20% of players no incentive to play their third and fourth rounds each week plus fast-tracking demotions? I fully understand the issue of treading water. In four months between December and March I managed to make just two cuts in CC-B. Due to two weeks where issues with scores being brought across I had eleven demo marks removed and seven months on I am still exactly where I was. I now mostly make cuts but have no chance of winning. For the current thousand or so folk who play the Challenge Circuit there are 12 who will win each week and only 125 or so who will receive green marks with a similar number getting red ones. For most there will be no change. Over time you will end up roughly where you should be. The cut line roughly mirrors the PGA tour and as such is a completely reasonable mechanism. If you feel stuck where you are just drop your tour card for a week and do Qualifying again. You may end up in a lower flight where you may be more successful and get back on the promotion trail but at some point you will reach the level where your ability/issues with the platform you play on/time available to practice/new changes introduced by the developer will bring your progress to a standstill and you will be treading water again. In short reducing the number of players making the cut and penalising more for not making it cannot, in my opinion, have a beneficial effect upon the tour as a whole. If an individual is dissatisfied with where they find themselves they have it within their own gift to make a change to that situation without punching 35% of those still willing to tee it up on TGCT in the genitalia. I'm not sure what the incentive is to finish the last 2 rounds when you make the cut, but are 10 or more shots out of a chance for a promotion mark. The cut line should establish a point where all that qualify are within a reasonable striking distance of gaining a promotion mark. The rest are just cannon fodder. You would think all the better players would have been positioned in their appropriate flights by now, but for some reason my flight CC-I always seems to have 10 or more players that shoot much better than the field. Not sure where these much better players keep coming from, or why they haven't moved up, but they really seem to skew the competition. I am in Elite and I made the cut by one or two shots this week, shot -10 on a tough day R3 and am now in line for a promo mark. Its called competing. Promotion marks are not participation trophies, but making the cut is an accomplishment so you are rewarded by playing 2 extra rounds. Things like WGR Points are still available so measure you success that way if you are treading water Say I want to improve my WGR instead of saying I want a promo point. Set round goals for 3 and 4, there are ways to keep yourself interested. The cut numbers mirrors the tour in real life so that is probably why it is where it is.
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Post by twofor22 on Jun 24, 2021 8:20:54 GMT -5
Sounds like a you problem. I don't see any sense in mucking up the whole structure to suit a few.
I started in CCE at the beginning of the season and just got promoted to Kinetic this week, by gradually improving and slowly making my way up the flights getting the odd promo mark or two and avoiding demo marks. The majority of weeks I made the cut but didn't get any promo marks.
I'll most likely tread water in Kinetic for a while, but being a competitive person it's on me to get better if I want to keep moving up, not stick my head in the sand and want the whole thing changed around to cater to my own mediocrity.
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Post by dime5150 on Jun 24, 2021 9:30:24 GMT -5
I think they should to a one time complete reorganizing of all of the CC flights based on the average scoring since the "update". People would at least for the most part be competing with more similar competition
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on Jun 24, 2021 11:22:23 GMT -5
Honestly, if you're treading water on a tour, it tells me that you're on the right tour for your ability. It's then up to you to find what motivates you to play the last 2 rounds, as bmore said.
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Post by gatorman on Jun 24, 2021 12:46:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the incentive is to finish the last 2 rounds when you make the cut, but are 10 or more shots out of a chance for a promotion mark. The cut line should establish a point where all that qualify are within a reasonable striking distance of gaining a promotion mark. The rest are just cannon fodder. You would think all the better players would have been positioned in their appropriate flights by now, but for some reason my flight CC-I always seems to have 10 or more players that shoot much better than the field. Not sure where these much better players keep coming from, or why they haven't moved up, but they really seem to skew the competition. I am in Elite and I made the cut by one or two shots this week, shot -10 on a tough day R3 and am now in line for a promo mark. Its called competing. Promotion marks are not participation trophies, but making the cut is an accomplishment so you are rewarded by playing 2 extra rounds. Things like WGR Points are still available so measure you success that way if you are treading water Say I want to improve my WGR instead of saying I want a promo point. Set round goals for 3 and 4, there are ways to keep yourself interested. The cut numbers mirrors the tour in real life so that is probably why it is where it is. Well I play PC and I don't seem to get any advantage. This week in CC-I with 90 players, 40 PS4 players shot a better score than me and made the cut. I missed the cut by 1 shot, but come on, very few players on Xbox or PC can compete with the typical PS4 player. There's no social justice in TGCtours.
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Jun 24, 2021 13:05:24 GMT -5
I am in Elite and I made the cut by one or two shots this week, shot -10 on a tough day R3 and am now in line for a promo mark. Its called competing. Promotion marks are not participation trophies, but making the cut is an accomplishment so you are rewarded by playing 2 extra rounds. Things like WGR Points are still available so measure you success that way if you are treading water Say I want to improve my WGR instead of saying I want a promo point. Set round goals for 3 and 4, there are ways to keep yourself interested. The cut numbers mirrors the tour in real life so that is probably why it is where it is. Well I play PC and I don't seem to get any advantage. This week in CC-I with 90 players, 40 PS4 players shot a better score than me and made the cut. I missed the cut by 1 shot, but come on, very few players on Xbox or PC can compete with the typical PS4 player. There's no social justice in TGCtours. What Platform you play on has nothing to do with competing and moving the cut line which is what you posted about. If you feel like you can't compete in CC than either drop to Beer League (no Promo/demo marks) Buy a PS, or stop whining, put on your big boy pants and compete, or accept that you are just mediocre at the game. Over the last 8 weeks or so on Platinum more PC guys have won than PS guys so your PC "social justice argument" is old and stale.
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Post by twofor22 on Jun 24, 2021 17:15:15 GMT -5
I think they should to a one time complete reorganizing of all of the CC flights based on the average scoring since the "update". People would at least for the most part be competing with more similar competition That's what the promotion events are for I suppose. There should be another one coming up soon.
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Post by dingersinger on Jun 24, 2021 18:45:58 GMT -5
I realize the purpose of the cut for realism and because people out of contention may not want to play 2 more rounds. However, in the opinion solely of what I would find most enjoyable, I think having no cut at all would be better. Having the chance to battle back after a mediocre start would be very enjoyable. Perhaps demo marks could be calculated based on first two rounds, but all participants remain able to finish the tournament and place if they complete 4 rounds? Just an idea
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Post by dime5150 on Jun 24, 2021 21:09:59 GMT -5
I think they should to a one time complete reorganizing of all of the CC flights based on the average scoring since the "update". People would at least for the most part be competing with more similar competition That's what the promotion events are for I suppose. There should be another one coming up soon. No I mean take everyone’s average score and arrange them, going up or down
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