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Post by Rad Ad on May 31, 2021 19:20:00 GMT -5
What they should have done is create a new setting between Master and Legend to avoid upsetting the vibrant competitive online community that existed on TGC Tours. Perhaps work with TGC Tours to create a competitive mini tour on that new setting and gather user feedback. Refine the new setting until they get it right and then roll that forward into the new game that's on the horizon. What these changes have resulted in is a widening of the discrepancy between consoles. It's literally not possible for a wired PS4 player to hit a red slow or fast, and now for everyone else it's become far more likely to hit them, leading to massive penalties. I've grinded it out on PC for over 400 hours and have made it up to Kinetic but the latest batch of changes to the short game are just too much. I'd have to make this a full time job to be semi-competitive in the pro tours, so I think I'm done with the TGC Tours as of this week. “It's literally not possible for a wired PS4 player to hit a red slow or fast” This statement is not correct, I hit red slows/fast all the time and I play on a wired PS4 controller. Sorry, I was mistaken. I thought the game was calibrated to three points out of the box. I don't own a console, so I'm just going off what I've seen and heard online.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 31, 2021 19:34:31 GMT -5
“It's literally not possible for a wired PS4 player to hit a red slow or fast” This statement is not correct, I hit red slows/fast all the time and I play on a wired PS4 controller. Sorry, I was mistaken. I thought the game was calibrated to three points out of the box. I don't own a console, so I'm just going off what I've seen and heard online. You would have to go through calibration like on any other console/platform and have the right clubs to have this. Out of the box is HB's tempo which is likely for most to be quite different from your own average tempo.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 31, 2021 19:41:48 GMT -5
The winner on the Platinum Tour the past three weeks has been a PC player and not the same player all three weeks. Edit: 4 of the last 5 weeks has been a PC player winning on the Platinum Tour. Among those 4 wins are 3 different people. It was my understanding, from reading commentary and observing videos online, that on PS4 wired it's very easy to setup a three point calibration which allows you to hit only greys and perfects on a three point spectrum. I thought it was universal out of the box, but perhaps I'm mistaken. I guess I'm 'silly'. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're on that console you're playing a severely watered down version of the game and you're effectively getting several strokes on the rest of the field in the TGC Tours. And the fact that a handful of PC players have had success doesn't change anything I've said. The trends show an obvious, large advantage for PS4 players. And within the PC world, we know there is variation between different input types so it's really hard to assess these results. We all know that there is variance between the different platforms. And the mouse player is at a disadvantage to the controller using PC player. Am only pointing out that on the platform you play on the sky's the limit. Just know that one has to calibrate accurately AND have the correct clubs AND have consistently good tempo to even have a setup that one sees in cseanny's videos. The console advantage plus the wired connection isn't an auto thing. He (cseanny) has really good, consistent tempo on top of all of that. That is what's lost in his video(s).
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Post by Rad Ad on May 31, 2021 19:58:50 GMT -5
It was my understanding, from reading commentary and observing videos online, that on PS4 wired it's very easy to setup a three point calibration which allows you to hit only greys and perfects on a three point spectrum. I thought it was universal out of the box, but perhaps I'm mistaken. I guess I'm 'silly'. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're on that console you're playing a severely watered down version of the game and you're effectively getting several strokes on the rest of the field in the TGC Tours. And the fact that a handful of PC players have had success doesn't change anything I've said. The trends show an obvious, large advantage for PS4 players. And within the PC world, we know there is variation between different input types so it's really hard to assess these results. We all know that there is variance between the different platforms. And the mouse player is at a disadvantage to the controller using PC player. Am only pointing out that on the platform you play on the sky's the limit. Just know that one has to calibrate accurately AND have the correct clubs AND have consistently good tempo to even have a setup that one sees in cseanny's videos. The console advantage plus the wired connection isn't an auto thing. He (cseanny) has really good, consistent tempo on top of all of that. That is what's lost in his video(s). The sky unfortunately is not the limit for many people who play in the TGC Tours. The limiting factor for me is the amount of time to groove these ongoing changes. I've logged over 400 hours on this game alone, and probably 200 on TGC19 all on master, so I'm not exactly a newbie. My swing tempo was pretty well grooved for quite some time and even the initial nerfing of red fast didn't slow me down. But what they've done recently I'm finding to just be too much work to keep up with.
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Post by cseanny on Jun 1, 2021 4:27:41 GMT -5
Rad Ad +1 to what Cecil Harvey said o_^. It's certainly not automatic. Before I start, PC w/ low DPI is much, Much stronger than PS4 wired. It's not even close to being close. Now, onto PS wired! PS4 wired - If on PC make a quick macro and test it. With Purple rated Hogans let's call 56ms dead center perfect, which gets rounded to either 54ms or 58ms (4ms between). So if 54ms is the L edge of perfect, then 50ms is the 2nd input point, or L edge of grey, followed by a 46ms 3rd input point which is Red. That leaves a lot of room to get Reds in my books. With rounding, perfects look something like: - Wired L/R: 52ms to 60ms - Then all the rest are lumped into this spot; Wired 3 point, wireless 3 point, wireless 4 point, and wireless 5 point: somewhere in the 53ms to 59ms range. Conclusion? Those whom already possess excellent tempo will benefit the most. Does rounding help everyone? Of course, but again, if someone is already struggling then going from a 6ms perfect window to an 8ms window isn't going to magically transform their game.
After seeing my video I've seen some guys makes posts like: OMG!!, I tried it for an hour and it was impossible to miss perfect!! PS4 wired guys are such exploiters! 1)it's around a 2ms advantage!, and 2)unless they make a video showing themselves hitting 43 out of 46 perfects, at 93% then it's all bs and hot air in my books. Just because people type something doesn't make it true o_^. To add a 3rd!)if someone can get 93% perfects with wired, then they already have excellent tempo to begin with and can easily win tournaments w/out it
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Post by Rad Ad on Jun 3, 2021 19:52:27 GMT -5
Rad Ad +1 to what Cecil Harvey said o_^. It's certainly not automatic. Before I start, PC w/ low DPI is much, Much stronger than PS4 wired. It's not even close to being close. Now, onto PS wired! PS4 wired - If on PC make a quick macro and test it. With Purple rated Hogans let's call 56ms dead center perfect, which gets rounded to either 54ms or 58ms (4ms between). So if 54ms is the L edge of perfect, then 50ms is the 2nd input point, or L edge of grey, followed by a 46ms 3rd input point which is Red. That leaves a lot of room to get Reds in my books. With rounding, perfects look something like: - Wired L/R: 52ms to 60ms - Then all the rest are lumped into this spot; Wired 3 point, wireless 3 point, wireless 4 point, and wireless 5 point: somewhere in the 53ms to 59ms range. Conclusion? Those whom already possess excellent tempo will benefit the most. Does rounding help everyone? Of course, but again, if someone is already struggling then going from a 6ms perfect window to an 8ms window isn't going to magically transform their game.
After seeing my video I've seen some guys makes posts like: OMG!!, I tried it for an hour and it was impossible to miss perfect!! PS4 wired guys are such exploiters! 1)it's around a 2ms advantage!, and 2)unless they make a video showing themselves hitting 43 out of 46 perfects, at 93% then it's all bs and hot air in my books. Just because people type something doesn't make it true o_^. To add a 3rd!)if someone can get 93% perfects with wired, then they already have excellent tempo to begin with and can easily win tournaments w/out it I picked up a wired PS4 controller to try on PC and I can't express how much easier the game is with this input device, compared to my XBox One controller that I've been playing on for months. I calibrated fast and I'm having trouble not hitting perfects and greys right out of the box. Based on what you know about these input types, does that make sense to you? Honestly, the game is probably 10+x easier now.
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