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Post by coggin66 on May 18, 2021 3:26:34 GMT -5
In a couple of threads I've been harping on like a broken record about Masters difficulty being the wrong difficulty level for a cross-platform league given the current state of the game.
Based on my experiences in the Beer League I firmly believe that this place would be much better off on Pro difficulty. Even though there would still not be complete parity, the tempo differences would not be as great as they are with Masters (with XB in particular unable to properly resolve tempo on Masters).
I am therefore canvassing your opinions to see if I am simply part of an oppressed XBox minority or whether the majority also feels this way.
BTW, I am not expecting many votes in the XB "Pro" Tour category because they are getting as rare as hen's teeth!
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Post by lessangster on May 18, 2021 5:47:34 GMT -5
In a couple of threads I've been harping on like a broken record about Masters difficulty being the wrong difficulty level for a cross-platform league given the current state of the game. Based on my experiences in the Beer League I firmly believe that this place would be much better off on Pro difficulty. Even though there would still not be complete parity, the tempo differences would not be as great as they are with Masters (with XB in particular unable to properly resolve tempo on Masters). I am therefore canvassing your opinions to see if I am simply part of an oppressed XBox minority or whether the majority also feels this way. BTW, I am not expecting many votes in the XB "Pro" Tour category because they are getting as rare as hen's teeth! I said this from the very beginning but it fell on deaf ears the disparity has existed long before this patch but no one cares as long as the game is fine on their platform. The I’m alright jack attitude stinks
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 18, 2021 5:57:29 GMT -5
In a couple of threads I've been harping on like a broken record about Masters difficulty being the wrong difficulty level for a cross-platform league given the current state of the game. Based on my experiences in the Beer League I firmly believe that this place would be much better off on Pro difficulty. Even though there would still not be complete parity, the tempo differences would not be as great as they are with Masters (with XB in particular unable to properly resolve tempo on Masters). I am therefore canvassing your opinions to see if I am simply part of an oppressed XBox minority or whether the majority also feels this way. BTW, I am not expecting many votes in the XB "Pro" Tour category because they are getting as rare as hen's teeth! Are you considering these options for the next TGCT season (if Admin would be gracious enough to give us one) under the current game? Because I see a low chance of Admin here changing this during the current season for more than one reason, so I want to know if voting on this is rooted in reality or more of a "what I would want in an ideal (utopian) situation". Also consider that we are at an unknown about when a new HB/2K golf game is coming out... solving that unknown coupled with the EA game coming up in ~6-9 months would clarify a vote here. Lastly, I offer that HB/2K is possibly putting out these changes as a feeler as how to approach their next game in their franchise and we may or may not be looking at a short term view if new game(s) are upon us given TGCTours' more recent past actions of major changes mostly happening at the change of one TGCT season to the next. Edit: In summary, are we okay with a TGCTours workaround like this to even the playing field here at the expense of the fact that XBox and PS have such a different mechanic of how the inputs from our controllers are interpreted and done in game that we are willing to forego putting the onus on HB/2K to fix the known multiple years long deficiencies of the tempo swing on XBox in order to have a more even playing field here at a 3rd party site? I don't have the answer to this, but there needs to be more focus on why this game plays so much worse on that console (XB) and if it is rooted in Microsoft itself, what the developers of this game can do about it, and looking at a different or modified way of playing this game. I would encourage those players to keep on them about that. I certainly do not disagree that the game plays much differently from one platform to the other. It's just that the arguments here, while valid under a 3rd party site are valid, one also has to consider how serious HB/2K will take the difference of PS vs PC vs XB going forward. Do they ever have plans to integrate cross-platform play in game and would be forced to address it? Will they stay behind their Society model (IMO was one of the biggest detriments to the franchise from a TGCT standpoint) or will they embrace the fact that they need balance the gameplay somehow with possible different mechanics? Food for thought and sorry for going long and for spit-balling, but just had to get some things out of my head while they were there. I do ultimately wish we would have the parity that we had back in season 1 between the systems! Unfortunately as games evolve and people grow things get complicated. Thanks for the poll. Will be interesting to see the results if it gets traction here.
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Post by coggin66 on May 18, 2021 6:06:42 GMT -5
In a couple of threads I've been harping on like a broken record about Masters difficulty being the wrong difficulty level for a cross-platform league given the current state of the game. Based on my experiences in the Beer League I firmly believe that this place would be much better off on Pro difficulty. Even though there would still not be complete parity, the tempo differences would not be as great as they are with Masters (with XB in particular unable to properly resolve tempo on Masters). I am therefore canvassing your opinions to see if I am simply part of an oppressed XBox minority or whether the majority also feels this way. BTW, I am not expecting many votes in the XB "Pro" Tour category because they are getting as rare as hen's teeth! Are you considering these options for the next TGCT season (if Admin would be gracious enough to give us one) under the current game? Because I see a low chance of Admin here changing this during the current season for more than one reason, so I want to know if voting on this is rooted in reality or more of a "what I would want in an ideal (utopian) situation". Also consider that we are at an unknown about when a new HB/2K golf game is coming out... solving that unknown coupled with the EA game coming up in ~6-9 months would clarify a vote here. Lastly, I offer that HB/2K is possibly putting out these changes as a feeler as how to approach their next game in their franchise and we may or may not be looking at a short term view if new game(s) are upon us given TGCTours' more recent past actions of major changes mostly happening at the change of one TGCT season to the next. I'm genuinely interested to know if I have a distorted view as an XBoxer or whether the bulk of players would prefer an easier difficulty setting that actually makes the competition a bit fairer. And yes, I miss the joy of battling for promotions and demotions. And I don't agree that the Admins can't change difficulty mid-season. As someone who runs a long-running society, it is simply a case of changing the difficulty when a particular event is scheduled. The impact can't be anymore dislocating than the recent Red Fast nerfing (which I agree with BTW ... but that is a long running topic in another thread!).
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 18, 2021 6:19:41 GMT -5
Are you considering these options for the next TGCT season (if Admin would be gracious enough to give us one) under the current game? Because I see a low chance of Admin here changing this during the current season for more than one reason, so I want to know if voting on this is rooted in reality or more of a "what I would want in an ideal (utopian) situation". Also consider that we are at an unknown about when a new HB/2K golf game is coming out... solving that unknown coupled with the EA game coming up in ~6-9 months would clarify a vote here. Lastly, I offer that HB/2K is possibly putting out these changes as a feeler as how to approach their next game in their franchise and we may or may not be looking at a short term view if new game(s) are upon us given TGCTours' more recent past actions of major changes mostly happening at the change of one TGCT season to the next. I'm genuinely interested to know if I have a distorted view as an XBoxer or whether the bulk of players would prefer an easier difficulty setting that actually makes the competition a bit fairer. And yes, I miss the joy of battling for promotions and demotions. And I don't agree that the Admins can't change difficulty mid-season. As someone who runs a long-running society, it is simply a case of changing the difficulty when a particular event is scheduled. The impact can't be anymore dislocating than the recent Red Fast nerfing (which I agree with BTW ... but that is a long running topic in another thread!). I added an edit to my post. Also, from a practical standpoint I don't disagree that it is an easy change. I meant from a vision standpoint as they meant this season to be a change to a more challenging, "competitive" site going forward to ward off as best they could an expansion that was/is clearly putting a strain on them. I am also curious to know if my PS standpoint is at odds as well.
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Post by TimB on May 18, 2021 6:31:03 GMT -5
Lastly, I offer that HB/2K is possibly putting out these changes as a feeler as how to approach their next game in their franchise and we may or may not be looking at a short term view if new game(s) are upon us given TGCTours' more recent past actions of major changes mostly happening at the change of one TGCT season to the next.I certainly do not disagree that the game plays much differently from one platform to the other. It's just that the arguments here, while valid under a 3rd party site are valid, one also has to consider how serious HB/2K will take the difference of PS vs PC vs XB going forward. Do they ever have plans to integrate cross-platform play in game and would be forced to address it? Will they stay behind their Society model (IMO was one of the biggest detriments to the franchise from a TGCT standpoint) or will they embrace the fact that they need balance the gameplay somehow with possible different mechanics? I've stayed out of the main red fast thread, do read it but truth be told I've become weary of the whole conversation. However in regard to the bolded I had boldeded. lol This has been my thought from the moment these changes dropped. Absence of a beta, they are testing things out, while looking at their in house api, checking to see how people are adapting, are player counts dropping off, play time being reduced. Whilst lurking around here to get feedback. Wouldn't be a bit surprised if there are some tweaks made so ease it up to make it less punishing on Master clubs. To me, pro clubs feel more balanced with these changes. I play on Master as per tgct settings but had a go at the beer event last week and came away that opinion. As for disparity, I find it is different even within the same platform. As I play on pc, I am struggling, other pc players are doing fine. I think its a combination of hardware, a persons connection to the internet quality and the servers of the developer all playing a part. For the record. I voted "cc, others, yes". (Kinetic player here) I stated my opinion in our Dirtbags threads last week. Think we could drop to pro, but amp up course difficulty to Elite or Pga level with settings (winds, speeds etc) adjusted on a week to week basis. This way you can still keep it tough yet give the lower CC players a fighting chance.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 18, 2021 6:40:29 GMT -5
Lastly, I offer that HB/2K is possibly putting out these changes as a feeler as how to approach their next game in their franchise and we may or may not be looking at a short term view if new game(s) are upon us given TGCTours' more recent past actions of major changes mostly happening at the change of one TGCT season to the next.I certainly do not disagree that the game plays much differently from one platform to the other. It's just that the arguments here, while valid under a 3rd party site are valid, one also has to consider how serious HB/2K will take the difference of PS vs PC vs XB going forward. Do they ever have plans to integrate cross-platform play in game and would be forced to address it? Will they stay behind their Society model (IMO was one of the biggest detriments to the franchise from a TGCT standpoint) or will they embrace the fact that they need balance the gameplay somehow with possible different mechanics? I've stayed out of the main red fast thread, do read it but truth be told I've become weary of the whole conversation. However in regard to the bolded I had boldeded. lol This has been my thought from the moment these changes dropped. Absence of a beta, they are testing things out, while looking at their in house api, checking to see how people are adapting, are player counts dropping off, play time being reduced. Whilst lurking around here to get feedback. Wouldn't be a bit surprised if there are some tweaks made so ease it up to make it less punishing on Master clubs. To me, pro clubs feel more balanced with these changes. I play on Master as per tgct settings but had a go at the beer event last week and came away that opinion. As for disparity, I find it is different even within the same platform. As I play on pc, I am struggling, other pc players are doing fine. I think its a combination of hardware, a persons connection to the internet quality and the servers of the developer all playing a part. For the record. I voted "cc, others, yes". (Kinetic player here) I stated my opinion in our Dirtbags threads last week. Think we could drop to pro, but amp up course difficulty to Elite or Pga level with settings (winds, speeds etc) adjusted on a week to week basis. This way you can still keep it tough yet give the lower CC players a fighting chance.I mean, this sounds like increasing difficulty artificially on the schedulers' end to counter the lowering of the difficulty of the gameplay itself (which has various difficulties depending on where you play currently) which alters the vision of the course designers' intent of the course. Without playing under these actual changes I wouldn't know my opinion on the issue but I try to keep a TGCT view in my opinions as well. Am not here to judge one way or the other as a third party site making the gameplay more equal is definitely a consideration, but do you try to fix one fault with artificial difficulty settings rather than at least try and go after the maker of the game to fix or at least diminish somehow the variance in gameplay from one platform to another?
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Post by TimB on May 18, 2021 6:46:58 GMT -5
I mean, this sounds like increasing difficulty artificially on the schedulers' end to counter the lowering of the difficulty of the gameplay itself (which has various difficulties depending on where you play currently) which alters the vision of the course designers' intent of the course. Without playing under these actual changes I wouldn't know my opinion on the issue but I try to keep a TGCT view in my opinions as well. Am not here to judge one way or the other as a third party site making the gameplay more equal is definitely a consideration, but do you try to fix one fault with artificial difficulty settings rather than at least try and go after the maker of the game to fix or at least diminish somehow the variance in gameplay from one platform to another? I may have mis stated my intent. I mean using Elite or Platinum level courses but on certain weeks you could keep the winds and speeds low to allow the lower cc players to not struggle so much. Other weeks you can jack up the wind. I've played a few of the elite and platinum events for fun and the courses handle the amped up winds and speeds just fine. I don't mean take a cc level course and jack up the settings to make it harder.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 18, 2021 6:51:29 GMT -5
I mean, this sounds like increasing difficulty artificially on the schedulers' end to counter the lowering of the difficulty of the gameplay itself (which has various difficulties depending on where you play currently) which alters the vision of the course designers' intent of the course. Without playing under these actual changes I wouldn't know my opinion on the issue but I try to keep a TGCT view in my opinions as well. Am not here to judge one way or the other as a third party site making the gameplay more equal is definitely a consideration, but do you try to fix one fault with artificial difficulty settings rather than at least try and go after the maker of the game to fix or at least diminish somehow the variance in gameplay from one platform to another? I may have mis stated my intent. I mean using Elite or Platinum level courses but on certain weeks you could keep the winds and speeds low to allow the lower cc players to not struggle so much. Other weeks you can jack up the wind. I've played a few of the elite and platinum events for fun and the courses handle the amped up winds and speeds just fine. I don't mean take a cc level course and jack up the settings to make it harder. Fair enough. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by dime5150 on May 18, 2021 7:00:31 GMT -5
The spectrum is way to broad for a blanket change, if they felt the need to do that then they need to separate the lower cc yours from the higher ones, one good thing they came from this the lower cc tour scores are actually similar to real tournament scores now, in the higher tiers they are still shooting -14 per round (how I wonder) like it’s nothing
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Post by twofor22 on May 18, 2021 16:58:07 GMT -5
Not really. I enjoy the challenge of master difficulty, pro is too easy.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on May 18, 2021 22:18:48 GMT -5
in the higher tiers they are still shooting -14 per round (how I wonder) like it’s nothing Looked in all the pro tours. Zero scores in the 50s for Kinetic, let alone -14. Looked in Elite. One score in the 50s, zero at -14. Looked at Platinum. Six total rounds of -14 or better, and all players near the top of the leaderboard. Five of the six were in the easier setup of Rd 1.
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Post by coggin66 on May 21, 2021 18:15:57 GMT -5
I'm going to keep this open for a while to try to get a good sample of votes.
After 71 votes, it's fairly evenly split overall (36 yes vs 35 no).
No surprises that PS leans towards No (21 no vs 9 yes), XB leans towards Yes (16 vs 6) and PC is split (11 yes vs 8 no).
The Pro tours lean towards No (24 no vs 14 yes) and CC lean towards Yes (22 yes vs 11 no).
However, these are still small sample sizes, especially for CC, so please encourage others to vote.
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Post by coggin66 on May 21, 2021 18:18:36 GMT -5
If you are looking at this on Tapatalk you need to hit the three dots/ellipses in the top right and select Web View to see the poll.
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Post by coruler2 on May 21, 2021 23:38:50 GMT -5
If I try to hit a driver that goes more than 250yds, my FIR drops down to 20-30%. That's way too low and not a reflection of what a tour player would do. I get maybe 1 perfect tempo drive per round.
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