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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on Apr 5, 2021 9:15:41 GMT -5
How about eliminating fast track promotions? Especially in the lower CCs, way to easy to get bumped up. If everyone had to earn all their marks to get promoted, it would eliminate premature promotions and the very problem you are trying to slow down. I get where you're coming from, but eliminating fast tracks in CC may help with one issue, but it creates another. There are a lot of people that struggle in Q school, but after a week or two, they figure the game out and start shooting really good scores. If they are still in the lower CC levels, it becomes discouraging for the people who belong in those divisions because they start to wonder where they can actually compete. Having said that, the vast majority of huge promotions come from the promotion events, so those guys would still climb the ranks very quickly regardless of if fast tracks existed. And promo events are required because to balance to tours out when numbers get low. The main reason we're in the situation we are at the moment is that the promo/demo glitches put people into tours they shouldn't have been, and kept people from being demoted who should have been. Voluntary demotions and a temporary tweak to the demotion percentages will help that greatly with no need for other interventions.
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Post by axelvonfersen on Apr 5, 2021 9:37:26 GMT -5
Doyley are there any discussions regarding adding more tour levels and maybe splitting CC into two tiers?
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Post by Doyley on Apr 5, 2021 10:32:03 GMT -5
Doyley are there any discussions regarding adding more tour levels and maybe splitting CC into two tiers? No, not likely to happen.
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Post by greyosprey on Apr 5, 2021 23:29:01 GMT -5
What will Rob? Pretty sure if there was a solution to the red fast issue it would have been implemented. Or at least tried or talked about.
Shaun's suggestion to go to legend......if a significant number of people are using red fasts now (on Master), then making the swing harder (Legend) is only going to give even more people a reason / excuse to go to red fasts (since if they can't get perfects now, they have even less chance on Legend)
Yes, but then everyone would be playing red fast. 🤣😂 It's all in jest. I know we will never see Legend difficulty on TGCTours - or aids turned off . Just like to suggest it once in a while
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mitchbigsby
Caddy
THE GRIND TO TOP 100 WGR CONTINUES
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TGCT Name: Elliot Mitchell
Tour: Platinum
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Post by mitchbigsby on Apr 6, 2021 9:09:58 GMT -5
I think it's time to implement divisions like most other competitive games. Kinetic I II III, Elite I II III Platinum I II III, you get it. Keeps players excited about more frequent moves, more people are winning (with the respective division tied to the trophy) and we have a stronger distribution of skill.
That should be about 100 players per field, in a perfect world.
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mega8deth8
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 107
Tour: Platinum
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Post by mega8deth8 on Apr 6, 2021 10:49:41 GMT -5
I think promotions and demotions should be based in a point system assessed once a month or every other month. Each division gets points depending on how they place in their division (use the WGR points). Based on how you scored for the month that's how you get promoted or demoted. 150 in each league and just divide them off down the list. Just my opinion, but right now it's too easy to go up and too hard to go down. Other considerations is to make it the same amount of marks for promotion and demotion. I think it's 5 to move down but 3 to move up? Balance that and maybe that's a good starting point. JMO
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Apr 7, 2021 4:33:26 GMT -5
I think promotions and demotions should be based in a point system assessed once a month or every other month. Each division gets points depending on how they place in their division (use the WGR points). Based on how you scored for the month that's how you get promoted or demoted. 150 in each league and just divide them off down the list. Just my opinion, but right now it's too easy to go up and too hard to go down. Other considerations is to make it the same amount of marks for promotion and demotion. I think it's 5 to move down but 3 to move up? Balance that and maybe that's a good starting point. JMO It used to be 5 to go up and down in the past. However, in the past their was a harder time in keeping the top tours stocked because players didn't stick around, etc. etc. so the 3/5 was implemented more recently and now with higher participation in this version of TGC/2K the top tours and particularly the very top tour is overfull. Perhaps a 5/5 is in order again for balance? This may have slightly negative results on the lower CC tiers, but fast track promoting should (in theory) offset that. I am not sure expanding the demotion mark line to 10/20 is enough to trim Platinum (it may stabilize the numbers) but time will tell.
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Post by suggy on Apr 7, 2021 9:29:00 GMT -5
I think promotions and demotions should be based in a point system assessed once a month or every other month. Each division gets points depending on how they place in their division (use the WGR points). Based on how you scored for the month that's how you get promoted or demoted. 150 in each league and just divide them off down the list. Just my opinion, but right now it's too easy to go up and too hard to go down. Other considerations is to make it the same amount of marks for promotion and demotion. I think it's 5 to move down but 3 to move up? Balance that and maybe that's a good starting point. JMO It used to be 5 to go up and down in the past. However, in the past their was a harder time in keeping the top tours stocked because players didn't stick around, etc. etc. so the 3/5 was implemented more recently and now with higher participation in this version of TGC/2K the top tours and particularly the very top tour is overfull. Perhaps a 5/5 is in order again for balance? This may have slightly negative results on the lower CC tiers, but fast track promoting should (in theory) offset that. I am not sure expanding the demotion mark line to 10/20 is enough to trim Platinum (it may stabilize the numbers) but time will tell. I'm totally with you. Whatever the number is for promos/demos, it should be the same to help balance. Looking at the mess that is the Plat tour (cut grind, people skipping weeks on end) it makes someone like myself in CC who has won multiple times not even want to advance much more. IMO the upper tiers of the Tours need revamping 100%.
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Post by thi0711 on Apr 7, 2021 12:58:17 GMT -5
The top 50 in Platinum are GREAT at this game. As someone currently with 2 promo marks on Elite I 100% know if I go up to Platinum I will not make cuts. That is fine and all, but it's almost like in baseball when a good player is really good in the minor leagues but struggles in the MLB they call him a AAAA player.
I feel like the way it's structured now, there are a lot of AAAA players (that's not a bad thing)
I think you take the top 50 or so from Platinum and make a new division for just them. Platinum then consists of those AAAA players who are really good players just not top 50. Then the trickle down & up makes more sense.
I've always had a goal to reach the Platinum tour and I am really close. But looking at what is going on up there, if I do make it, I won't be there long.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Apr 8, 2021 3:01:22 GMT -5
The top 50 in Platinum are GREAT at this game. As someone currently with 2 promo marks on Elite I 100% know if I go up to Platinum I will not make cuts. That is fine and all, but it's almost like in baseball when a good player is really good in the minor leagues but struggles in the MLB they call him a AAAA player. I feel like the way it's structured now, there are a lot of AAAA players (that's not a bad thing) I think you take the top 50 or so from Platinum and make a new division for just them. Platinum then consists of those AAAA players who are really good players just not top 50. Then the trickle down & up makes more sense. I've always had a goal to reach the Platinum tour and I am really close. But looking at what is going on up there, if I do make it, I won't be there long. We had this in TGC2. World Tour above PGA that was 50-75 players. At the time I didn't like it and now I still hesitate on the premise, but am more neutral towards it. It makes for a really weird tour that isn't ground into anything realistic/based in IRL golf for those players. How do you do cuts with 50-70ish players? It was implemented with no cuts but with demotion marks which was really weird. It made for WGC like play where you are guaranteed all 4 rounds, but you were given demotion marks despite playing all 4 rounds. It was just odd, and I am open for tweaks to the system as the issue of having a breakaway top 50 or so has been an issue on the top tour here as long as TGCTours has been around. But I agree that it does accomplish the aforementioned AAAA players having a competitive tour.
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Post by trentmcneely on Apr 8, 2021 5:07:24 GMT -5
I'm only about 4 months into playing on TGC, but my 2cents are that, idk, it's fine? There's a bit of a log jam because of the glitches right now, but I think the voluntary demotions and catching up with the demotion marks will take care of that. Maybe make the pro tours 5 promo marks to move up? I just don't see any point in thinning out Plat or creating a Plat+. If your goal in the game was to make it to the top, and you get there and it's too hard, what is the point of making it easier? If there's a Plat+, wouldn't your goal just become to get there? Plus the top players already get their own event every few weeks anyway. To quote the great Coach Dugan, "It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great."
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Post by Dimpledballz on Apr 8, 2021 13:40:00 GMT -5
At what point do I start receiving promotion marks? I recently cleared all my demotion marks, made 2 or 3 cuts since. I have looked in the forums, but, have not found anything explaining when promotions marks are rewarded, after clearing demotion marks. Is it based on a % to how I finish relative to the field? I see info on single/double cut lines as well. I am just fuzzy on how it works. Thanks for the help!
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Apr 8, 2021 14:26:37 GMT -5
At what point do I start receiving promotion marks? I recently cleared all my demotion marks, made 2 or 3 cuts since. I have looked in the forums, but, have not found anything explaining when promotions marks are rewarded, after clearing demotion marks. Is it based on a % to how I finish relative to the field? I see info on single/double cut lines as well. I am just fuzzy on how it works. Thanks for the help! I believe if you finish in the top 15% of the field you get one promo mark, and in the top 7.5% gets you two. So you can make a cut and not get any promo marks if you make the cut and not finish in the top 15%
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Post by zooby97 on Apr 8, 2021 19:17:05 GMT -5
The top 50 in Platinum are GREAT at this game. As someone currently with 2 promo marks on Elite I 100% know if I go up to Platinum I will not make cuts. That is fine and all, but it's almost like in baseball when a good player is really good in the minor leagues but struggles in the MLB they call him a AAAA player. I feel like the way it's structured now, there are a lot of AAAA players (that's not a bad thing) I think you take the top 50 or so from Platinum and make a new division for just them. Platinum then consists of those AAAA players who are really good players just not top 50. Then the trickle down & up makes more sense. I've always had a goal to reach the Platinum tour and I am really close. But looking at what is going on up there, if I do make it, I won't be there long. I’d just turn off the Green and Lie Grids in Plat as that would make it a little harder......I know the great players would still do well but the average score of the tour would go up. But the biggest impact would be players jumping up from Elite as they would be used to playing with grids. I’d leave few extra difficulties turned that are not in Tru Sim so it would not be a full Tru Sim. I’d let them see the greens with the close ups and keep the distance aim marker on with regards to chipping. Then all cuts get a double demotion.
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Post by Dimpledballz on Apr 8, 2021 21:10:51 GMT -5
At what point do I start receiving promotion marks? I recently cleared all my demotion marks, made 2 or 3 cuts since. I have looked in the forums, but, have not found anything explaining when promotions marks are rewarded, after clearing demotion marks. Is it based on a % to how I finish relative to the field? I see info on single/double cut lines as well. I am just fuzzy on how it works. Thanks for the help! I believe if you finish in the top 15% of the field you get one promo mark, and in the top 7.5% gets you two. So you can make a cut and not get any promo marks if you make the cut and not finish in the top 15%Thank you. This is clears up everything. Time to play better in rounds 3 and 4 then.
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