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Post by hammers1man on Jan 20, 2023 14:11:19 GMT -5
My guess is, if you are playing this on a Series S, you're going to have the same frustrations you have currently with 2K23. I purchased 2K23 for both the Series S and PC - on my XBox, I haven't even attempted to play it after the first few tries, it was a terrible experience. On the PC, the game is great - best golf game I've played, and think it's a significant improvement over 2K21. I'll buy and try the EA game, but the gameplay has a high bar to clear to move me off 2K23. Absolutely I think it's a platform thing. What I don't get though, is 2K21 playing in 60hz on my One X with my LG C1 4K TV, is beautiful and smooth. Play that on the Series S, it's not great at all. Smooth yes, but for some strange reason looks bad. 2k23 on the same setup - One X it's nowhere near as smooth as 2K21 60hz and has a stuttery swing at the top. Baffled why the new game does not play as well as the old and no option to set 30/60 Hz although I believe it's default 60hz. On the Series S, it is buttery smooth but then this stupid blur of distance is horrendous which you can't change. HDR is awful so have to turn that off to get a better picture (my other games in HDR are beautiful). But the big issues for me on 2K23 on Xbox are that tempo is way worse than 2K21 in that there are even less tempo outcomes available than I can hit in 2K21 (I strongly believe this is all tied in and to do with them adjusting their perfect and forgiveness zone sizes coupled with the polling stuff, as it should be at least the same as 2K21 otherwise), and the swing animation is just awful and clumsy IMO. It's just weird and off-putting with the legs. Thing is, that swing seems to work well with a driver or wood and it looks and feels great, but swing an iron and it's just all wrong. It's as if they created it from a driver swing or long wood and just copied it to all other full swings. The sounds of the irons don't help either. The elastic swing too that they've added where it hardly moves at 1st even though you are "powering up" especially for short chips and putts, is utter stupidity and loses all feel in the swing. Career is all about rivalries which is not PGA TOUR unless you are Bryson or Brooks. Don't forget all the bugs - new and legacy - that they can't be bothered to fix. I just feel burned by them. Look, there are improvements in the gameplay that I am not denying and I'm sure I would agree with you if I was playing on a PC, but these things that are annoying, frustrating and broken for me distract me and stop me from enjoying and embra ING all the good in the gameplay that they have added. Anyways enough of that rambling on 2K23, I have my 2K21 that I adore and let's see how EA plays and then what HB/2K do for 2K25 🤞 There seems to be a difference from Xbox to PC with HDR then. On an LG C2 OLED HDR is so much better than SDR. With it off the game looks washed out of colour and the lighting looks flat. The HDR in this game is very good I think.
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Post by martbloke on Jan 20, 2023 14:48:23 GMT -5
There seems to be a difference from Xbox to PC with HDR then. On an LG C2 OLED HDR is so much better than SDR. With it off the game looks washed out of colour and the lighting looks flat. The HDR in this game is very good I think.[/quote] Yeah I think there is. With HDR on, the colour is super over the top like the grass is artificial and lighting is way, way too bright.
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Post by owenayy on Jan 20, 2023 14:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by hammers1man on Jan 20, 2023 15:18:34 GMT -5
There seems to be a difference from Xbox to PC with HDR then. On an LG C2 OLED HDR is so much better than SDR. With it off the game looks washed out of colour and the lighting looks flat. The HDR in this game is very good I think. Yeah I think there is. With HDR on, the colour is super over the top like the grass is artificial and lighting is way, way too bright.[/quote] When I got the C2 I tried 2K21 with Windows auto HDR and the game felt so bright and colours over saturated like you said. So so much better on 2K23 with the game's native HDR setting, the colour looks so much better and lighting feels so much more realistic. I do feel the lighting is a lot better in 2K23 but without HDR you don't actually see it as much. I messed about with the SDR settings on the C2 for ages to get the right balance but the TV has a game optimiser mode and the settings for HDR are just spot on, no need to adjust anything.
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Post by sask3m on Jan 20, 2023 15:28:52 GMT -5
Hopefully there is a performance mode to go along with 4k@30.
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Post by hammers1man on Jan 20, 2023 15:29:33 GMT -5
That is a gut check, indeed. Is that a console limitation, I wonder? Possibly a high end PC would be able to push pass this if there is no built-in frame limiter. I'm already doing 4K @115 FPS with HDR and everything maxed in 2K23 and I don't think I can go back. This shifts me from the "definite pre-order" crowd to the "let someone else with a high end PC go first" crowd. Everything else does sound pretty good, though. What gets me about this is that we have VRR for consoles that also support FSR 2.0 so to be stuck to 30fps is not great for a sports title just for the eye candy. I did feel that the trailor felt 30fps.and not smooth at all. Also I doubt that PC will be locked at 30 fps, Hardly any PC games are,so you will be ok especially if we have DLSS support and FSR 2.0.for better framerates. Also the best thing is to trial the game on game pass or EA access as they give 10 hour trials on their subscription service. A month of EA access is dirt cheap if you don't have it already.
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Post by greenlightning on Jan 20, 2023 16:40:54 GMT -5
It will be a battle of the game engines, Frostbite vs Unity. Se who can crank out the best animations. Then it will be who can hold the users interest the longest with engrossing game play. I think Unity can look pretty good when 2k decides to make their game for current gen consoles and PC only. It's free and they can get the designer to work with it. No course designer and EA eats their lunch. They got problems that they need to address though. Too numerous to mention.
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Post by greenlightning on Jan 20, 2023 16:42:43 GMT -5
Just watched the gameplay trailer. The courses looked better, but it was also just a lot of glamour shots and fly arounds. The actual gameplay footage was really quick so you couldn't really get a good look even after watching it a few times. The golfer animations and ball physics didn't impress me, but the shot types were intriguing. I don't see how you can make a determination that this game is far better just by a 2 minute trailer. I have seen this window dressing from EA too many times for me to feel any type of way about this game. Once they start giving deep dives into game modes, online, player build, and career I will see. But first impressions lead me to be sticking to 2K just for the fact I already have a golf game, and this did nothing to go hmmm. 20 shot types almost all can be replicated in 2k23.
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Post by hammers1man on Jan 20, 2023 16:47:22 GMT -5
What gets me about this is that we have VRR for consoles that also support FSR 2.0 so to be stuck to 30fps is not great for a sports title just for the eye candy. I did feel that the trailor felt 30fps.and not smooth at all. Also I doubt that PC will be locked at 30 fps, Hardly any PC games are,so you will be ok especially if we have DLSS support and FSR 2.0.for better framerates. Also the best thing is to trial the game on game pass or EA access as they give 10 hour trials on their subscription service. A month of EA access is dirt cheap if you don't have it already. Still, I'm gonna let you handle the pre-testing for me on this one as I know you have a high end rig . I see a potential disconnect with cross platform play if the consoles are limited to 30FPS but PCs can do 3 to 4 times that. I will definitely be testing it out. I have the past 2 EA Sports games on my PS3 hard drive and I did fire them up just recently. The short game in TW14 and Rory is just rubbish and wow the putting is so bad. HB's golf games really have them there. So it will be interesting to see how much they improve the short game. Also simulation mode has grids and power meters on, so if we can't turn them off I won't even play the game.
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Post by Blade on Jan 20, 2023 18:07:56 GMT -5
The number of typos on the linked webpage is stunning. So sad to see what garbage is allowed to post these days.
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Post by Blade on Jan 20, 2023 18:09:45 GMT -5
Just watched the gameplay trailer. The courses looked better, but it was also just a lot of glamour shots and fly arounds. The actual gameplay footage was really quick so you couldn't really get a good look even after watching it a few times. The golfer animations and ball physics didn't impress me, but the shot types were intriguing. I don't see how you can make a determination that this game is far better just by a 2 minute trailer. I have seen this window dressing from EA too many times for me to feel any type of way about this game. Once they start giving deep dives into game modes, online, player build, and career I will see. But first impressions lead me to be sticking to 2K just for the fact I already have a golf game, and this did nothing to go hmmm. 20 shot types almost all can be replicated in 2k23. Totally agree - I use half loft, full loft, half de-loft, full de-loft and the same 4 things with spin. I have all these mapped out for each shot type (except punch) which leads to more than 20 shot types by a long ways.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Jan 20, 2023 18:26:21 GMT -5
The number of typos on the linked webpage is stunning. So sad to see what garbage is allowed to post these days. I read that too and was all in for a fluid and more graphically exciting experience on my Series X but thought the 30fps must have been a typo as the response started with "yeah" to the question of 4k @ 60fps. Wondering if the 30fps was a typo however my initial rection after watching the gameplay trailer was that it did not look as fluid as I was expecting. Sad that the EAs and 2Ks can get world football and basketball to play "smooth as butter" but golf is a poor cousin. Supply and demand right ?? Was going to pre-order but think I'll wait now. I'm keen for a next gen experience on my next gen console.Sadly I think the next consoles will be released before we see an improvement in the golfing arena!
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Post by pobee10 on Jan 20, 2023 18:33:50 GMT -5
Blows my mind that in 2023 we have a developer making a game capping frames at 30. That must be a joke. But I believe it and explains the terrible golf swing animation in the trailer. Better be unlocked on PC or hard pass.
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Post by owenayy on Jan 20, 2023 18:42:36 GMT -5
The number of typos on the linked webpage is stunning. So sad to see what garbage is allowed to post these days. I read that too and was all in for a fluid and more graphically exciting experience on my Series X but thought the 30fps must have been a typo as the response started with "yeah" to the question of 4k @ 60fps. Wondering if the 30fps was a typo however my initial rection after watching the gameplay trailer was that it did not look as fluid as I was expecting. Sad that the EAs and 2Ks can get world football and basketball to play "smooth as butter" but golf is a poor cousin. Supply and demand right ?? Was going to pre-order but think I'll wait now. I'm keen for a next gen experience on my next gen console.Sadly I think the next consoles will be released before we see an improvement in the golfing arena! Saying "I'm out" was in reference to my soon to be canceled preorder. Didn't even dawn on me that this would be 30fps if the information given is correct. Looking at the technical capabilities in the overview of the game they tout 4k,HDR10,Ray Tracing and spatial sound but not a hint of fps so I'm leaning towards info is correct. For me the difference is jarring between 30fps and 60. 30fps is not next gen.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Jan 20, 2023 18:52:26 GMT -5
So what stops a developer programming a game in 60fps for a console, esp. as in this instance it's only being released for next gen and PC ?? I don't profess to understand very much about the graphical tech within a game but there must be a reason they designed everything else with "high performance" in mind but decide to leave the animation in teh "dark ages". What could the possible reasons be ??
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