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Post by moneyman273 on Jan 20, 2023 9:24:31 GMT -5
No … I’m sorry. I paid for next hen 2k23 . And I get 2015 graphics. A waste of my system and resources. It looks like ea has listened . And gave us golf. Real , authentic, courses , realistic at that 2k19 and some of 2k22 got it right. 2k23 was nothing at all new . Nothing . At all TGC 2019 was amazing. 2K21 was a train wreck and 2K23 is right in the middle. Not a train wreck but certainly not close to 2019.
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Post by lessangster on Jan 20, 2023 9:26:19 GMT -5
I've publicly aired my grievances with EA, but I am not above buying one of their games. As said before, I've hated what they did with Madden, but on the other side, I I played NFS:Heat and loved it.
So far, everything I have read or seen about this EA game, I've liked. I'm being cautiously optimistic, and its looking like I'll give it a try.
I'm not one to play with other people. The single player experience is what I enjoy. I play this game mainly to enjoy single player career mode, and THIS website, because this is sorta like a better version of career mode.
HB just really gets on my nerves with their refusal to listen to customers and what the customers want, or report as bugs. I have a whole thread detailing where I reported a problem with getting VCs. They finally acknowledged to me it was a bug. They said they found it. They said they fixed it and the fix would go in, in the next patch. That was couple months ago. They've obviously put in patches because they've messed with fittings several times, and they found time to put in a clubhouse pass that they want me to pay for, but the problem they told me they fixed has still not been fixed. I told them in one email, "how do you expect anyone to pay money for VC's when you aren't even giving the few VCs that you say in game you are giving?" I also told them I would not buy the clubhouse pass because the rewards suck. Look closely, its nothing really new. its basic recolors of existing assets, and its stuff most people don't even care about.
Here is one bug that gets me. that they could really make money on in the pass if they would just fix it- character animations.
When I make what I consider a great shot, lets say I'm in the heavy rough, a terrible lie on a slope, and 200 yrds away, I calculate my angle, my club, and somehow manage to hit it perfect. and with all that against me, I get the ball right beside the green. right in line for an easy chip. But my character makes this sad face, oh that was awful!! No, no, HB, that was a great out, or scramble, or whatever you call it, in real life I am fist pumping, I just saved par. On the other side, I have had a terrible hole. finally I get to the green and managed to sink a putt from maybe 15-20 ft away, but double bogied. My character jumps around like I won the championship. what?? No one should ever jump around and fist pump and say I'm it, for getting a double bogie, sorry thats my opinion.
So what if they fix the animations, program the game to where you could set conditions for animations (because that IS a thing in other games), and then make new animations and sell THOSE on the clubhouse pass, instead of some recolor of a hat or sponsor ball that you can't even see? Stuff like that would sell. There is a reason Epic games made so much with Fortnite's battle pass. Because they knew their customer base, gave them what they wanted.
Did anyone else catch the part in the EA description where they talk about their courses being designed with Lidar drone technology?
Reading between the lines, if you pay attention, its almost as if EA has been silently monitoring the complaint threads against HB/2K and are trying to address those concerns!
I would be amazed if EA were not monitoring HB/2K’s game and forums closely. If you see where your opposition is going wrong you shouldn’t make the same mistakes. When EA’s game does come out I would expect HB/2K to do exactly the same thing maybe buy the game and see what they could maybe do better.
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Post by bubbsboy100. on Jan 20, 2023 9:37:31 GMT -5
Wont be sure how easy xp is to gain and how expensive items are so unsure about paying for deluxe , even if it's not the 2k hike in price difference.
I really dislike the skills in 2k, very poor , and as for the virtually never to use ball fittings , well that just tops it off. 2 very poor additions to this game so looking forward to EA
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Post by martbloke on Jan 20, 2023 10:12:34 GMT -5
2k19 and some of 2k22 got it right. 2k23 was nothing at all new . Nothing . At all TGC 2019 was amazing. 2K21 was a train wreck and 2K23 is right in the middle. Not a train wreck but certainly not close to 2019. Interesting. I tend to agree with Sandbagger here. 2K23 is awful for me on Xbox - either the One X or Series S I have. Just awful. This is what has turned me so off HB/2K. 2K21 was an improvement on 2019 and I absolutely love it and it's all I play. Gave 23 a try and just no, that game is dead and there's no reviving it, not now after EAs game that will be coming out in 2 months. 2 years for that tripe and that's all they came up with? Clearly a money grab before EA came out with theirs as they knew what would happen. 2K25 has to be next gen and IMO from an Xbox pov, has to be 2K21 as a base for performance mixed with the 2K23 improvements (which I haven't been able to fully enjoy because the game is trash) like chipping, a few animations, play offs (when they work), and massive improvements on career and MP modes. If not, there's no real coming back for them to compete with EA.
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Post by trevormendez on Jan 20, 2023 10:40:36 GMT -5
Yet many people, myself included, think 2K23 is the best golf game ever made..by a distance. It’s not without fault but I love playing it. I love hitting great shots and the feel is something that is hard for a game to achieve. Obviously not everyone will agree with this.
The reality is some people will prefer older games, some will prefer EA’s version and some will prefer 2K23.
Hopefully competition will be of benefit to players in the end, whatever their preferred product happens to be.
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Jan 20, 2023 11:31:13 GMT -5
Just watched the gameplay trailer. The courses looked better, but it was also just a lot of glamour shots and fly arounds. The actual gameplay footage was really quick so you couldn't really get a good look even after watching it a few times. The golfer animations and ball physics didn't impress me, but the shot types were intriguing. I don't see how you can make a determination that this game is far better just by a 2 minute trailer. I have seen this window dressing from EA too many times for me to feel any type of way about this game. Once they start giving deep dives into game modes, online, player build, and career I will see. But first impressions lead me to be sticking to 2K just for the fact I already have a golf game, and this did nothing to go hmmm.
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Post by sask3m on Jan 20, 2023 12:06:06 GMT -5
Ea has and always will cater to the arcade crowd. Even the fact they left power boosts and spin button mashing as options has me concerned.
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jan 20, 2023 12:06:12 GMT -5
Yet many people, myself included, think 2K23 is the best golf game ever made..by a distance. It’s not without fault but I love playing it. I love hitting great shots and the feel is something that is hard for a game to achieve. Obviously not everyone will agree with this. The reality is some people will prefer older games, some will prefer EA’s version and some will prefer 2K23. Hopefully competition will be of benefit to players in the end, whatever their preferred product happens to be. 2k23 was great IMO but has worsened with each update. 2k/hb are a horrible company for quality.
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jan 20, 2023 12:10:05 GMT -5
Just watched the gameplay trailer. The courses looked better, but it was also just a lot of glamour shots and fly arounds. The actual gameplay footage was really quick so you couldn't really get a good look even after watching it a few times. The golfer animations and ball physics didn't impress me, but the shot types were intriguing. I don't see how you can make a determination that this game is far better just by a 2 minute trailer. I have seen this window dressing from EA too many times for me to feel any type of way about this game. Once they start giving deep dives into game modes, online, player build, and career I will see. But first impressions lead me to be sticking to 2K just for the fact I already have a golf game, and this did nothing to go hmmm. xbox ultimate gamepass gets us 10 hours of free play so that's when I make my decision. Unless of course I am sucker for more trailers.
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Post by Brenelan on Jan 20, 2023 12:46:38 GMT -5
TGC 2019 was amazing. 2K21 was a train wreck and 2K23 is right in the middle. Not a train wreck but certainly not close to 2019. Interesting. I tend to agree with Sandbagger here. 2K23 is awful for me on Xbox - either the One X or Series S I have. Just awful. This is what has turned me so off HB/2K. 2K21 was an improvement on 2019 and I absolutely love it and it's all I play. Gave 23 a try and just no, that game is dead and there's no reviving it, not now after EAs game that will be coming out in 2 months. 2 years for that tripe and that's all they came up with? Clearly a money grab before EA came out with theirs as they knew what would happen. 2K25 has to be next gen and IMO from an Xbox pov, has to be 2K21 as a base for performance mixed with the 2K23 improvements (which I haven't been able to fully enjoy because the game is trash) like chipping, a few animations, play offs (when they work), and massive improvements on career and MP modes. If not, there's no real coming back for them to compete with EA. My guess is, if you are playing this on a Series S, you're going to have the same frustrations you have currently with 2K23. I purchased 2K23 for both the Series S and PC - on my XBox, I haven't even attempted to play it after the first few tries, it was a terrible experience. On the PC, the game is great - best golf game I've played, and think it's a significant improvement over 2K21. I'll buy and try the EA game, but the gameplay has a high bar to clear to move me off 2K23.
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Post by bubbadave on Jan 20, 2023 13:04:17 GMT -5
With only 1 Course from the UK and Ireland in EA's game for a personnel point of view just hope HB/2K open up the designer and theme for which they used the Renaissance Club and let us use the pot bunkers just take out the assets for the course and give us the theme. PS i am only guessing its like that from when Chad golf released the theme's a few years ago and you could see all the assets from sawgrass etc. Opening up asset import and/or even the building assets from their current courses would expand the possibilities of the designer. Hell, they could contract out graphic designers to design assets and sell relatively cheap asset packages to those people who want to expand the asset collection. Roleplaying companies have been doing this for years with site like Campaign Cartographer, Inkarnate and others giving their users full control on their own designs.
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Post by bubbadave on Jan 20, 2023 13:09:07 GMT -5
It will be a battle of the game engines, Frostbite vs Unity. Se who can crank out the best animations. Then it will be who can hold the users interest the longest with engrossing game play. If that's the case, then EA will ultimately have to add in a course designer.
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Post by bubbadave on Jan 20, 2023 13:13:25 GMT -5
Yet many people, myself included, think 2K23 is the best golf game ever made..by a distance. It’s not without fault but I love playing it. I love hitting great shots and the feel is something that is hard for a game to achieve. Obviously not everyone will agree with this. The reality is some people will prefer older games, some will prefer EA’s version and some will prefer 2K23. Hopefully competition will be of benefit to players in the end, whatever their preferred product happens to be. Truthfully, there a few things I don't like about 2K23, but the first big turnoff was my inability to design my avatar to look like me. I'm a 59 year old fat guy with gray hair. I had to design my avatar to look like I did when I was 30 years younger. Quit fat shaming us HB!
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Post by hammers1man on Jan 20, 2023 13:48:55 GMT -5
Yet many people, myself included, think 2K23 is the best golf game ever made..by a distance. It’s not without fault but I love playing it. I love hitting great shots and the feel is something that is hard for a game to achieve. Obviously not everyone will agree with this. The reality is some people will prefer older games, some will prefer EA’s version and some will prefer 2K23. Hopefully competition will be of benefit to players in the end, whatever their preferred product happens to be. On the course every HB game has improved, 2K21's short scrambling game is just awful . 5 chip ins a round not uncommon. The godly accurate splash shot took out all the skill in the scrambling . I think 2K23 is leagues ahead of 2K21 when 70 yards from the green and on the green. The hole mechanics are way better than 21, even no grid putting is way too easy on 2K21, the amount of 100% medium putts I holed was just silly. I am really enjoying the challenge of the short game as that has been totally ignore in all previous HB golf games. So like you it is HB's best golf game by a mile Off the course I really dislike where they have gone by not improving the CD and societies. The skills system is awful and just not needed and I have to say I hate the fitting system as they could of done it way better. The very poor career mode is forced on people. I reinstalled Windows and lost most of my fittings but would rather go through the much longer process of acquiring them again through society play than go through career mode again. But by far the worse thing HB/2K introduced was these awful overpowered arcade balls.
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Post by martbloke on Jan 20, 2023 14:01:36 GMT -5
Interesting. I tend to agree with Sandbagger here. 2K23 is awful for me on Xbox - either the One X or Series S I have. Just awful. This is what has turned me so off HB/2K. 2K21 was an improvement on 2019 and I absolutely love it and it's all I play. Gave 23 a try and just no, that game is dead and there's no reviving it, not now after EAs game that will be coming out in 2 months. 2 years for that tripe and that's all they came up with? Clearly a money grab before EA came out with theirs as they knew what would happen. 2K25 has to be next gen and IMO from an Xbox pov, has to be 2K21 as a base for performance mixed with the 2K23 improvements (which I haven't been able to fully enjoy because the game is trash) like chipping, a few animations, play offs (when they work), and massive improvements on career and MP modes. If not, there's no real coming back for them to compete with EA. My guess is, if you are playing this on a Series S, you're going to have the same frustrations you have currently with 2K23. I purchased 2K23 for both the Series S and PC - on my XBox, I haven't even attempted to play it after the first few tries, it was a terrible experience. On the PC, the game is great - best golf game I've played, and think it's a significant improvement over 2K21. I'll buy and try the EA game, but the gameplay has a high bar to clear to move me off 2K23. Absolutely I think it's a platform thing. What I don't get though, is 2K21 playing in 60hz on my One X with my LG C1 4K TV, is beautiful and smooth. Play that on the Series S, it's not great at all. Smooth yes, but for some strange reason looks bad. 2k23 on the same setup - One X it's nowhere near as smooth as 2K21 60hz and has a stuttery swing at the top. Baffled why the new game does not play as well as the old and no option to set 30/60 Hz although I believe it's default 60hz. On the Series S, it is buttery smooth but then this stupid blur of distance is horrendous which you can't change. HDR is awful so have to turn that off to get a better picture (my other games in HDR are beautiful). But the big issues for me on 2K23 on Xbox are that tempo is way worse than 2K21 in that there are even less tempo outcomes available than I can hit in 2K21 (I strongly believe this is all tied in and to do with them adjusting their perfect and forgiveness zone sizes coupled with the polling stuff, as it should be at least the same as 2K21 otherwise), and the swing animation is just awful and clumsy IMO. It's just weird and off-putting with the legs. Thing is, that swing seems to work well with a driver or wood and it looks and feels great, but swing an iron and it's just all wrong. It's as if they created it from a driver swing or long wood and just copied it to all other full swings. The sounds of the irons don't help either. The elastic swing too that they've added where it hardly moves at 1st even though you are "powering up" especially for short chips and putts, is utter stupidity and loses all feel in the swing. Career is all about rivalries which is not PGA TOUR unless you are Bryson or Brooks. Don't forget all the bugs - new and legacy - that they can't be bothered to fix. I just feel burned by them. Look, there are improvements in the gameplay that I am not denying and I'm sure I would agree with you if I was playing on a PC, but these things that are annoying, frustrating and broken for me distract me and stop me from enjoying and embra ING all the good in the gameplay that they have added. Anyways enough of that rambling on 2K23, I have my 2K21 that I adore and let's see how EA plays and then what HB/2K do for 2K25 🤞
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