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Post by williamwes626 on Jul 15, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -5
I think both will have enough uniqueness to them that there will be a market share for both. Everyone is going to rush out to buy EA because its the shiny new toy on the block and 2K will still be here when the novelty wears off of playing the same 15 courses 1000 times over. At least now you have the choice whether you prefer simulation or arcade. I will say that if EA only releases on PS5 and Series X I can't say that was the best decision. Also, 2k is not in jeopardy as no other golf game will still have a course designer. I am sure EA has it in the pipeline for future iterations, but until it manifests there really isn't one thing that will pull enough people to one side or the other for either game to be in danger. In fact I would bet a lot of people buy both (I maybe guilty of this, but we will see). I don't know why it's always "EA is arcade" and "2K is sim"...because EA has offered gameplay options that remove aids, increase difficulty, etc. I remember playing Tiger Woods 14 with the diagonal swing, no scout cam, no green grid, no wind indicator, etc. and shooting in the 90s at Sawgrass using the challenging settings. In the same way, you can play 2K21 with putt previews, the aiming circle, and make it so you don't have to take lie and elevation into consideration before you take a shot. Plus, 2K21 has plenty of cartoony add-ons (big hats, hot dog putters, the elf suit...) that rival anything EA did. They are both sim and both arcade - they're whatever you want them to be. I agree there is a place for both games - especially since one game decided to have fake majors, but still have a course creator, and the other went ahead and secured rights to all four majors but also seems to have decided against user created tracks. And I honestly think having two games competing with each other will make both games better. But the insistence that the EA game is only for arcade players and the 2K game is only for sim players is incorrect in my view. Part of the reason is because when I played the TW games for over a decade, I could do all you say but then I go online and look for matches on a tougher difficulty level and there would be hardly anyone to play. Then when I'd find someone, if I had the greens on lightning fast, they'd quit after the first hole. If I sought out easy level matches, seemingly everybody was playing easy -18 under mode. It's more the fans of those games back then then the game itself. That said, short game and putting was always too easy and people for years complained that there was no "feel" to the short game shots. All the PS2 games had such easy putting cause the ball would get sucked into the hole if it was near it. The PS3 ones were more realistic. TW14 was the best version they ever did except for one major flaw (along with putting being too easy with the grid). You couldn't always see the ball in most lightings and on most grass colors - you almost had to play with a tail on the ball. Take a look at this video and see how they should have just kept the ball bright white instead of being influenced by the lighting. I can kind of see the ball hit in this video but sometimes I could barely see it. That was very frustrating and they never did a update fix.
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Post by hammers1man on Jul 15, 2021 15:58:40 GMT -5
I don't know why it's always "EA is arcade" and "2K is sim"...because EA has offered gameplay options that remove aids, increase difficulty, etc. I remember playing Tiger Woods 14 with the diagonal swing, no scout cam, no green grid, no wind indicator, etc. and shooting in the 90s at Sawgrass using the challenging settings. In the same way, you can play 2K21 with putt previews, the aiming circle, and make it so you don't have to take lie and elevation into consideration before you take a shot. Plus, 2K21 has plenty of cartoony add-ons (big hats, hot dog putters, the elf suit...) that rival anything EA did. They are both sim and both arcade - they're whatever you want them to be. I agree there is a place for both games - especially since one game decided to have fake majors, but still have a course creator, and the other went ahead and secured rights to all four majors but also seems to have decided against user created tracks. And I honestly think having two games competing with each other will make both games better. But the insistence that the EA game is only for arcade players and the 2K game is only for sim players is incorrect in my view. Part of the reason is because when I played the TW games for over a decade, I could do all you say but then I go online and look for matches on a tougher difficulty level and there would be hardly anyone to play. Then when I'd find someone, if I had the greens on lightning fast, they'd quit after the first hole. If I sought out easy level matches, seemingly everybody was playing easy -18 under mode. It's more the fans of those games back then then the game itself. That said, short game and putting was always too easy and people for years complained that there was no "feel" to the short game shots. All the PS2 games had such easy putting cause the ball would get sucked into the hole if it was near it. The PS3 ones were more realistic. TW14 was the best version they ever did except for one major flaw (along with putting being too easy with the grid). You couldn't always see the ball in most lightings and on most grass colors - you almost had to play with a tail on the ball. Take a look at this video and see how they should have just kept the ball bright white instead of being influenced by the lighting. I can kind of see the ball hit in this video but sometimes I could barely see it. That was very frustrating and they never did a update fix. Your comment about feel to the short game also applies to the chipping in 2K 21. With putting it is all about feel in the game and is implemented brilliantly, now this backstop they have for chipping takes all the feel out of the shot. You can't actually overhit your chip shot distance on the backswing, it is laser accurate even for poor tempo and so easy to chip in on all difficulties with wedges. It is crazy that you can have such a good putting mechanic and such a poor chipping mechanic in the same game. This applies to all of HB's golf games.
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Post by Griz891 on Jul 15, 2021 16:03:12 GMT -5
I can't wait....Only thing worth a sh!t on 2k21 is the course designer.
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Post by Gasman on Jul 15, 2021 16:27:59 GMT -5
Distance backstops are built into almost every golf game I have ever played. Putting,Chipping,Pitching & Full Swings are almost always linked to the aim marker. Some games will allow a workable solution to play with more feel but not one mainstream console game has ever allowed a full user defined shot set up & execution. Online play has to be quick so you can’t spend Bryson time on every swing.
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Post by sroel908 on Jul 21, 2021 8:51:25 GMT -5
LPGA players and events will be in EA Sports PGA Tour:
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Post by zooby97 on Jul 22, 2021 5:43:43 GMT -5
Well, since 2K abandoned their career mode, I feel similar to how they operate. I'll pick the game that's right for me, and right now, having all majors is appealing. Maybe I would feel the same if single player was my thing and it actually is for every other video game. I just find the single player game just repetitive on every golf game I have played but understand some love it. Random calculated leaderboards and AI golfers never have been done very well imo on any golf game, it always feels like you're playing against fixed numbers. Yes the single player mode is rubbish on 2K21 but single player careers have always felt rubbish to me on golf games. I think EA's game will be the better single player experience for sure but 2K will still have a vastly better online community experience if it keeps it's course designer which is so important. 15 to 20 courses is sparse even if they're very well made and course dlc will not be cheap. Having the 4 majors only really matters for single player mode, I already player 4 majors in my society, the presentation stuff is really not a big deal to me. I’ll get both new games but will spend most of my time where TGC Tours are...and yes playing Career mode is playing against fixed numbers so how is that any fun? For me it was fun until I found TGC Tours. I was starting to get bored playing career mode and started to mess around with course designing and then jumped into societies and eventually found TGC and have never played career mode since last Oct and I first purchased 2K in the last week of Sept. The TGC Tours is real competition and there are enough tiers for all to play in with your particular skill level. You put yourself into that particular tier. And that is what I like. I strive to improve each week and get into the next tier. And in reality I probably would have shelved the game after 2/3 times through Career mode. The TGC Tours and the other societies has kept me playing.....
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Post by zooby97 on Jul 22, 2021 5:48:58 GMT -5
I can't wait....Only thing worth a sh!t on 2k21 is the course designer. And the TGC Tours and other societies.
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Post by Riotous on Jul 23, 2021 2:31:40 GMT -5
Bit embarrassing and the forum threads often make me feel like I should be ashamed but I enjoy 2K21, and I hope that a rival game on the market will make any future games better.
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Post by zooby97 on Jul 23, 2021 5:30:18 GMT -5
Bit embarrassing and the forum threads often make me feel like I should be ashamed but I enjoy 2K21, and I hope that a rival game on the market will make any future games better. 2k is a great game. People are just mad because of updates happening so late. They miss their -12 rounds every single round. I’m far from a great player but once you get a feel for tempo the game is not THAT hard with Master settings. Sure I get a little frustrated with some drives that get clapped with a bad tempo but for the most part I’m back to where I was prior to the updates. my only serious issues are uphill shots around the green. I used to easily splash those and now that is gone. Now flat splash shots are still easy. But since the updates my chipping is so much better as the updates forced me to learn chipping. I wished I learned chipping from day one as it is not that hard to get the feel of it. In the end people were mad because they can’t sleep walk their rounds anymore. Most just red fast a drive and get that easy fairway lie and getting that fairway is the first thing you had to get for that -12 round for the average player. And prior to the updates even if you missed the fairway you could still red fast your way to the green and still get that birdie. Now the average player who misses the fairway will have to have that decent tempo to get close or on the green and that has made it more difficult. I feel 2K will have the same mechanics for their new game but will slightly pull back the punishments with red fasts. And also I’ve played on XBox and was actually better with tempo than on PS. Now putting was so much harder on XBox and that is where I suffered. plus 2k has so many options for different skill levels. You pick what you want be.... For me I originally started with amateur playing career mode and then discovered TGC tours and obviously had to learn master settings and have never looked back....I played pro settings in a few Beer League tournaments after the updates and felt it was too easy. Yes, it was less frustrating but I like the challenge of Master settings better.
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Post by Mick on Jul 23, 2021 7:24:58 GMT -5
Bit embarrassing and the forum threads often make me feel like I should be ashamed but I enjoy 2K21, and I hope that a rival game on the market will make any future games better. 2k is a great game. People are just mad because of updates happening so late. They miss their -12 rounds every single round. I’m far from a great player but once you get a feel for tempo the game is not THAT hard with Master settings. Sure I get a little frustrated with some drives that get clapped with a bad tempo but for the most part I’m back to where I was prior to the updates. my only serious issues are uphill shots around the green. I used to easily splash those and now that is gone. Now flat splash shots are still easy. But since the updates my chipping is so much better as the updates forced me to learn chipping. I wished I learned chipping from day one as it is not that hard to get the feel of it. In the end people were mad because they can’t sleep walk their rounds anymore. Most just red fast a drive and get that easy fairway lie and getting that fairway is the first thing you had to get for that -12 round for the average player. And prior to the updates even if you missed the fairway you could still red fast your way to the green and still get that birdie. Now the average player who misses the fairway will have to have that decent tempo to get close or on the green and that has made it more difficult. I feel 2K will have the same mechanics for their new game but will slightly pull back the punishments with red fasts. And also I’ve played on XBox and was actually better with tempo than on PS. Now putting was so much harder on XBox and that is where I suffered. plus 2k has so many options for different skill levels. You pick what you want be.... For me I originally started with amateur playing career mode and then discovered TGC tours and obviously had to learn master settings and have never looked back....I played pro settings in a few Beer League tournaments after the updates and felt it was too easy. Yes, it was less frustrating but I like the challenge of Master settings better. Been playing this franchise since it started and I'm getting tired of the engine they use. The problem is I rely too much on the numbers the game gives me. Putts for example are always too hard because the elevation and where they want you to hit don't match up. Pitch shots are like playing the lottery. Sand and water come into play way too often and your swing just so happens to determine that even if you mostly always have a fade or always a hook. Why are most of my putts downhill, not uphill for example, that makes no sense. Still the best golf game out there by far but EA has the money to dress the game up much better visually and have pro golfers that you can play as I would assume.
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Post by sroel908 on Jul 23, 2021 8:54:08 GMT -5
Bit embarrassing and the forum threads often make me feel like I should be ashamed but I enjoy 2K21, and I hope that a rival game on the market will make any future games better. 2k is a great game. People are just mad because of updates happening so late. They miss their -12 rounds every single round. I’m far from a great player but once you get a feel for tempo the game is not THAT hard with Master settings. Sure I get a little frustrated with some drives that get clapped with a bad tempo but for the most part I’m back to where I was prior to the updates. my only serious issues are uphill shots around the green. I used to easily splash those and now that is gone. Now flat splash shots are still easy. But since the updates my chipping is so much better as the updates forced me to learn chipping. I wished I learned chipping from day one as it is not that hard to get the feel of it. In the end people were mad because they can’t sleep walk their rounds anymore. Most just red fast a drive and get that easy fairway lie and getting that fairway is the first thing you had to get for that -12 round for the average player. And prior to the updates even if you missed the fairway you could still red fast your way to the green and still get that birdie. Now the average player who misses the fairway will have to have that decent tempo to get close or on the green and that has made it more difficult. I feel 2K will have the same mechanics for their new game but will slightly pull back the punishments with red fasts. And also I’ve played on XBox and was actually better with tempo than on PS. Now putting was so much harder on XBox and that is where I suffered. plus 2k has so many options for different skill levels. You pick what you want be.... For me I originally started with amateur playing career mode and then discovered TGC tours and obviously had to learn master settings and have never looked back....I played pro settings in a few Beer League tournaments after the updates and felt it was too easy. Yes, it was less frustrating but I like the challenge of Master settings better. That's not my issue with this game, and with 2K/HB in general. My issue is they don't communicate, and don't fix other problems with their game that have ruined the experience. I have mentioned repeatedly how glitched their career mode is. That mode is just not worth it at all. And they apparently "know" about the problems, but have never said anything one way or another about actually fixing it. As a game that went ahead and really tried to showcase the PGA Tour license, to have a career mode that has leaderboards that don't work properly is pretty awful and not fitting of a supposed AAA pro sports title. I also think you did hit on the issue of the lateness of the swing update. Changing how the core game mechanic plays 10 months after release is unheard of in the world of sports games. While lots of folks here loved the red fast nerf (I think it was warranted as well), I think many feel their changes went way too far and the game is way too punishing - especially when we're used to playing the game a certain way for the better part of a year. And as communication goes, here we sit with no news about a 2K golf game, while the competition is out here naming major championship courses, securing the rights to the LPGA, and offering some info well in advance of their Spring release timeframe. Well, 2K does post pictures of the hot dog putter on Twitter, so I guess that's something!
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Post by nevadaballin on Aug 5, 2021 12:57:47 GMT -5
I don't know why it's always "EA is arcade" and "2K is sim"...because EA has offered gameplay options that remove aids, increase difficulty, etc. I remember playing Tiger Woods 14 with the diagonal swing, no scout cam, no green grid, no wind indicator, etc. and shooting in the 90s at Sawgrass using the challenging settings. In the same way, you can play 2K21 with putt previews, the aiming circle, and make it so you don't have to take lie and elevation into consideration before you take a shot. Plus, 2K21 has plenty of cartoony add-ons (big hats, hot dog putters, the elf suit...) that rival anything EA did. They are both sim and both arcade - they're whatever you want them to be. I agree there is a place for both games - especially since one game decided to have fake majors, but still have a course creator, and the other went ahead and secured rights to all four majors but also seems to have decided against user created tracks. And I honestly think having two games competing with each other will make both games better. But the insistence that the EA game is only for arcade players and the 2K game is only for sim players is incorrect in my view. Part of the reason is because when I played the TW games for over a decade, I could do all you say but then I go online and look for matches on a tougher difficulty level and there would be hardly anyone to play. Then when I'd find someone, if I had the greens on lightning fast, they'd quit after the first hole. If I sought out easy level matches, seemingly everybody was playing easy -18 under mode. It's more the fans of those games back then then the game itself. That said, short game and putting was always too easy and people for years complained that there was no "feel" to the short game shots. All the PS2 games had such easy putting cause the ball would get sucked into the hole if it was near it. The PS3 ones were more realistic. TW14 was the best version they ever did except for one major flaw (along with putting being too easy with the grid). You couldn't always see the ball in most lightings and on most grass colors - you almost had to play with a tail on the ball. Take a look at this video and see how they should have just kept the ball bright white instead of being influenced by the lighting. I can kind of see the ball hit in this video but sometimes I could barely see it. That was very frustrating and they never did a update fix. Another major flaw with TW14 (there was more than one club glitch if I remember correctly) was the invisible clubs that happened constantly. I hated having to fix my golf bag every freaking day. EA has the same problem as most game devs, they half ass fixes because completely fixing one thing may break something bigger and make a game completely unplayable. Personally I couldn’t care less about another EA golf effort. I’d rather see them push those resources towards the next NCAA Football game. Golf is a wasted space for them. They don’t need to be there.
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Post by Gasman on Aug 5, 2021 16:33:49 GMT -5
EA did some great work with online play over the years & that’s why they need to return to polish & evolve the progress they had made. Country clubs on both platforms had difficulty levels for all so I can’t say I ever had problems getting a Simulation round. Gamernet was fantastic for challenges of any sort. 2K brought nothing new to online play especially in head to head modes, it’s nothing short of an embarrassment. Societies are a slight evolution from Country clubs & ghost rounds are the same as Gamernet. What is guaranteed with EA is a decent career that you can play offline that has actual working leaderboards & a tournament atmosphere, it’s also a possibility that online play may be part of career mode that will have tour rounds that are involving live online scoring. Both 2K/HB & EA need to work on bug fixes but some on PGA2K21 are laughable for a so called AAA title, in my opinion they need to fix them before even thinking about announcing a new version.
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Post by owenayy on Aug 5, 2021 16:54:29 GMT -5
I hear ya. I'm spending my time with EA's Rory McIlroy until the new game comes out.
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Post by pc17 on Aug 12, 2021 5:16:21 GMT -5
I can't wait....Only thing worth a sh!t on 2k21 is the course designer. Spot-on. My choice when both games are available will ultimately come down to the swing. I don't mind hitting poor shots, as long as I can see and understand what I've done wrong. With 2k21, I'm just left scratching head. And no matter how or what adjustments I make, has no positive effect. 2k21 is not a simulation, simply because the swing basically has to be played the same way by every player. It doesn't allow a player full control over whatever shot he wants to play, unlike TGC1 allowed. Basically, I want to enjoy a round of golf. I want a golf game that makes me want to come back for more. One round on 2k21 and I've had enough.
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