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Post by bmoregolfpro on Jul 14, 2021 13:57:05 GMT -5
I think both will have enough uniqueness to them that there will be a market share for both. Everyone is going to rush out to buy EA because its the shiny new toy on the block and 2K will still be here when the novelty wears off of playing the same 15 courses 1000 times over. At least now you have the choice whether you prefer simulation or arcade. I will say that if EA only releases on PS5 and Series X I can't say that was the best decision. Also, 2k is not in jeopardy as no other golf game will still have a course designer. I am sure EA has it in the pipeline for future iterations, but until it manifests there really isn't one thing that will pull enough people to one side or the other for either game to be in danger. In fact I would bet a lot of people buy both (I maybe guilty of this, but we will see).
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Post by dansamp on Jul 14, 2021 14:14:11 GMT -5
I think both will have enough uniqueness to them that there will be a market share for both. Everyone is going to rush out to buy EA because its the shiny new toy on the block and 2K will still be here when the novelty wears off of playing the same 15 courses 1000 times over. At least now you have the choice whether you prefer simulation or arcade. I will say that if EA only releases on PS5 and Series X I can't say that was the best decision. Also, 2k is not in jeopardy as no other golf game will still have a course designer. I am sure EA has it in the pipeline for future iterations, but until it manifests there really isn't one thing that will pull enough people to one side or the other for either game to be in danger. In fact I would bet a lot of people buy both (I maybe guilty of this, but we will see). I'm not that surprised as eventually the older consoles (PS4/XB) always get phased out. By 2022 when the next full slate of sports games comes out they will all probably be next gen only releases (but I could be wrong). I would be surprised though if there isn't a PC release as well... that would be a mistake IMO. |
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Post by sroel908 on Jul 14, 2021 14:26:03 GMT -5
I think both will have enough uniqueness to them that there will be a market share for both. Everyone is going to rush out to buy EA because its the shiny new toy on the block and 2K will still be here when the novelty wears off of playing the same 15 courses 1000 times over. At least now you have the choice whether you prefer simulation or arcade. I will say that if EA only releases on PS5 and Series X I can't say that was the best decision. Also, 2k is not in jeopardy as no other golf game will still have a course designer. I am sure EA has it in the pipeline for future iterations, but until it manifests there really isn't one thing that will pull enough people to one side or the other for either game to be in danger. In fact I would bet a lot of people buy both (I maybe guilty of this, but we will see). I don't know why it's always "EA is arcade" and "2K is sim"...because EA has offered gameplay options that remove aids, increase difficulty, etc. I remember playing Tiger Woods 14 with the diagonal swing, no scout cam, no green grid, no wind indicator, etc. and shooting in the 90s at Sawgrass using the challenging settings. In the same way, you can play 2K21 with putt previews, the aiming circle, and make it so you don't have to take lie and elevation into consideration before you take a shot. Plus, 2K21 has plenty of cartoony add-ons (big hats, hot dog putters, the elf suit...) that rival anything EA did. They are both sim and both arcade - they're whatever you want them to be. I agree there is a place for both games - especially since one game decided to have fake majors, but still have a course creator, and the other went ahead and secured rights to all four majors but also seems to have decided against user created tracks. And I honestly think having two games competing with each other will make both games better. But the insistence that the EA game is only for arcade players and the 2K game is only for sim players is incorrect in my view. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jul 14, 2021 14:30:06 GMT -5
I think both will have enough uniqueness to them that there will be a market share for both. Everyone is going to rush out to buy EA because its the shiny new toy on the block and 2K will still be here when the novelty wears off of playing the same 15 courses 1000 times over. At least now you have the choice whether you prefer simulation or arcade. I will say that if EA only releases on PS5 and Series X I can't say that was the best decision. Also, 2k is not in jeopardy as no other golf game will still have a course designer. I am sure EA has it in the pipeline for future iterations, but until it manifests there really isn't one thing that will pull enough people to one side or the other for either game to be in danger. In fact I would bet a lot of people buy both (I maybe guilty of this, but we will see). I'm not that surprised as eventually the older consoles (PS4/XB) always get phased out. By 2022 when the next full slate of sports games comes out they will all probably be next gen only releases (but I could be wrong). I would be surprised though if there isn't a PC release as well... that would be a mistake IMO. Well if there is no PC release they won't be getting my money as I only have old gen consoles and no plans for getting a next gen!! I'd prefer to throw my money at my PC. |
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Post by deathstar on Jul 14, 2021 15:47:34 GMT -5
I think both will have enough uniqueness to them that there will be a market share for both. Everyone is going to rush out to buy EA because its the shiny new toy on the block and 2K will still be here when the novelty wears off of playing the same 15 courses 1000 times over. At least now you have the choice whether you prefer simulation or arcade. I will say that if EA only releases on PS5 and Series X I can't say that was the best decision. Also, 2k is not in jeopardy as no other golf game will still have a course designer. I am sure EA has it in the pipeline for future iterations, but until it manifests there really isn't one thing that will pull enough people to one side or the other for either game to be in danger. In fact I would bet a lot of people buy both (I maybe guilty of this, but we will see). I don't know why it's always "EA is arcade" and "2K is sim"...because EA has offered gameplay options that remove aids, increase difficulty, etc. I remember playing Tiger Woods 14 with the diagonal swing, no scout cam, no green grid, no wind indicator, etc. and shooting in the 90s at Sawgrass using the challenging settings. In the same way, you can play 2K21 with putt previews, the aiming circle, and make it so you don't have to take lie and elevation into consideration before you take a shot. Plus, 2K21 has plenty of cartoony add-ons (big hats, hot dog putters, the elf suit...) that rival anything EA did. They are both sim and both arcade - they're whatever you want them to be. I agree there is a place for both games - especially since one game decided to have fake majors, but still have a course creator, and the other went ahead and secured rights to all four majors but also seems to have decided against user created tracks. And I honestly think having two games competing with each other will make both games better. But the insistence that the EA game is only for arcade players and the 2K game is only for sim players is incorrect in my view. 2K is definitely not sim, never was never will be, different grades of arcade perhaps, but arcade is not a bad thing as long as it's fun and challenging, in the end that's all that matters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 16:43:44 GMT -5
I'm not that surprised as eventually the older consoles (PS4/XB) always get phased out. By 2022 when the next full slate of sports games comes out they will all probably be next gen only releases (but I could be wrong). I would be surprised though if there isn't a PC release as well... that would be a mistake IMO. Well if there is no PC release they won't be getting my money as I only have old gen consoles and no plans for getting a next gen!! I'd prefer to throw my money at my PC. EA has ignored PC with a decent golf game since Tiger 08. Never been a fan of EA and there business practices so I am actually pretty happy it isn't coming to PC, so I won't be tempted to give them my money. I still regret the £6 I paid for Rory as the game was just truly awful. |
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Post by sroel908 on Jul 14, 2021 18:02:26 GMT -5
Well if there is no PC release they won't be getting my money as I only have old gen consoles and no plans for getting a next gen!! I'd prefer to throw my money at my PC. EA has ignored PC with a decent golf game since Tiger 08. Never been a fan of EA and there business practices so I am actually pretty happy it isn't coming to PC, so I won't be tempted to give them my money. I still regret the £6 I paid for Rory as the game was just truly awful. Well, since 2K abandoned their career mode, I feel similar to how they operate. I'll pick the game that's right for me, and right now, having all majors is appealing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 18:26:09 GMT -5
EA has ignored PC with a decent golf game since Tiger 08. Never been a fan of EA and there business practices so I am actually pretty happy it isn't coming to PC, so I won't be tempted to give them my money. I still regret the £6 I paid for Rory as the game was just truly awful. Well, since 2K abandoned their career mode, I feel similar to how they operate. I'll pick the game that's right for me, and right now, having all majors is appealing. Maybe I would feel the same if single player was my thing and it actually is for every other video game. I just find the single player game just repetitive on every golf game I have played but understand some love it. Random calculated leaderboards and AI golfers never have been done very well imo on any golf game, it always feels like you're playing against fixed numbers. Yes the single player mode is rubbish on 2K21 but single player careers have always felt rubbish to me on golf games. I think EA's game will be the better single player experience for sure but 2K will still have a vastly better online community experience if it keeps it's course designer which is so important. 15 to 20 courses is sparse even if they're very well made and course dlc will not be cheap. Having the 4 majors only really matters for single player mode, I already player 4 majors in my society, the presentation stuff is really not a big deal to me. |
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jul 14, 2021 18:50:29 GMT -5
Well, since 2K abandoned their career mode, I feel similar to how they operate. I'll pick the game that's right for me, and right now, having all majors is appealing. Maybe I would feel the same if single player was my thing and it actually is for every other video game. I just find the single player game just repetitive on every golf game I have played but understand some love it. Random calculated leaderboards and AI golfers never have been done very well imo on any golf game, it always feels like you're playing against fixed numbers. Yes the single player mode is rubbish on 2K21 but single player careers have always felt rubbish to me on golf games. I think EA's game will be the better single player experience for sure but 2K will still have a vastly better online community experience if it keeps it's course designer which is so important. 15 to 20 courses is sparse even if they're very well made and course dlc will not be cheap. Having the 4 majors only really matters for single player mode, I already player 4 majors in my society, the presentation stuff is really not a big deal to me. Totally agree Hammers1man. If they can match you up with AI avatar and you could go head to head in foursome that would be great. Can't be to hard to program 3 players compared to 21 in madden games. Also, would be great go H2H in sudden death. But to me I've done career in TW and HB's games and they get dull quickly. |
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Post by sroel908 on Jul 14, 2021 20:27:21 GMT -5
That's fine, and why I'm glad there will be two games. I enjoy single player modes, leveling up, sponsorships, and all that. I feel the same way about a lot of the created courses in 2K21...after awhile, they all look quite similar.
2K21 tried to do a solid PGA Tour experience, and failed due to the glitched and bugged leaderboards. The one thing you can't mess up on in a single player golf mode is the scoring, and they bungled it big time. They had the right idea, but really failed at execution.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jul 15, 2021 2:26:56 GMT -5
Well if there is no PC release they won't be getting my money as I only have old gen consoles and no plans for getting a next gen!! I'd prefer to throw my money at my PC. EA has ignored PC with a decent golf game since Tiger 08. Never been a fan of EA and there business practices so I am actually pretty happy it isn't coming to PC, so I won't be tempted to give them my money. I still regret the £6 I paid for Rory as the game was just truly awful. I can't say I'm happy it's not coming to PC as I'd like to have the choice whether I support it or not. It may have elements in it that I'd enjoy and I'd be happy to invest in a decent game even if it's shelf life was shorter than TW2K22 as I do for many other games. If the online is done well for instance I'd be tempted. |
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Post by Gasman on Jul 15, 2021 3:14:00 GMT -5
2K’s game has always been lacking in course variety, they may look different but all play the same so it doesn’t really matter if it has 10 or 10,000 tracks. If EA are releasing with only 15 courses the developers need to make sure each is individually nuanced with ball physics & weather systems that offer up the variables a real golfer experiences when playing.
It’s great to see real links golf returning in a computer game & I hope EA bring at least another couple to add to the home of golf.
What is a guarantee is gameplay is going to be much improved from the basic mechanics of 2K’s game.
If your an actual fan of Tour golf it’s a must buy.
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Post by sandbagger on Jul 15, 2021 9:46:00 GMT -5
Honestly, 2k has the most unrealistic golf physics I’ve had in a golf game experience. Barring Mario or Clash golf. If EA can capitalize on that one area “ realistic golf experience”. Than EA will easily be top dog again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 10:09:58 GMT -5
Honestly, 2k has the most unrealistic golf physics I’ve had in a golf game experience. Barring Mario or Clash golf. If EA can capitalize on that one area “ realistic golf experience”. Than EA will easily be top dog again Going by the physics of EA Tiburon's last golf game I wouldn't hold your breath for good ball physics. Rory also has some of the worse putting and hole physics I have seen in a golf video game, the putting on Rory was just rubbish. Hopefully 2K's next golf game can sort out the short game physics (splash,chip,pitch) as it is the poorest part of the game regarding ball spin from poor lies. Putting is very good especially with grids turned off, challenging and realistic. 2K's next game really needs to work on ball lie physics as it mainly just feels like a distance penalty . A ball lying in the heavy rough is much harder shot than from a good lie from shorter grass in real life and 2K 21 just doesn't implement that very well. |
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Jul 15, 2021 11:22:54 GMT -5
Honestly, 2k has the most unrealistic golf physics I’ve had in a golf game experience. Barring Mario or Clash golf. If EA can capitalize on that one area “ realistic golf experience”. Than EA will easily be top dog again Going by the physics of EA Tiburon's last golf game I wouldn't hold your breath for good ball physics. Rory also has some of the worse putting and hole physics I have seen in a golf video game, the putting on Rory was just rubbish. Hopefully 2K's next golf game can sort out the short game physics (splash,chip,pitch) as it is the poorest part of the game regarding ball spin from poor lies. Putting is very good especially with grids turned off, challenging and realistic. 2K's next game really needs to work on ball lie physics as it mainly just feels like a distance penalty . A ball lying in the heavy rough is much harder shot than from a good lie from shorter grass in real life and 2K 21 just doesn't implement that very well. EA can't even get ball physics right in Madden, so I can't say I am too optimistic about them getting a realistic ball physics mechanic in their golf game. You can try as hard as you want, but do not see how you can get a "realistic golf experience" in a video game. So many variables effect the way a golf ball reacts that is impossible to replicate. Grass type, sand textures, elevation to sea level all effect ball physics that cannot be replicated in a game. Even the club testing robots irl do not hit the same exact shots even when they are programmed to do so. MLB probably has the best ball mechanics of any video game and there are still hits where I go huh? They could do things like play under live weather conditions, or compete in the major live (assuming the course is in game). No doubt that the game will beat 2K in some areas and fall short in other areas. I just don't know if I can get a game that once I get through a season in career mode it stales off really quickly. If 2k can get a proper leaderboard, and allow you to customize your course schedule in career mode to keep things fresh, that would entice me to play a little more career mode. I do not play H2H or divot derby, but love the societies I play in and EA will not be able to replicate 2Ks society platform because there will be no variety in courses to schedule. I am sure we can all go back and forth and make arguments for both games, but I do not see any version "crippling" the other, at least not for the next few iterations anyway. |
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