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Post by TeeeJ9798 on Mar 8, 2021 11:26:12 GMT -5
Absolutely gorgeous course. Love the finishing hole here...wow! Most people seem to be big fans of 18. Some likely will have concerns it's too bold, but it really isn't unrealistic.
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on Mar 8, 2021 12:00:03 GMT -5
I was definitely a bit harsh on the strategy of this course - guess I'm getting a bit touchy these days - but no one can deny how beautiful the environment is! Seriously recommend giving it a play! Don't worry about it, Wayne. Pointing out as much as you can is why we watch you. Thanks, dude!
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Post by abowidow5712 on Mar 8, 2021 16:55:24 GMT -5
Cool unique course, fun to play, don't know if I've seen a course quite like this one. Some crazy looking bunkers, a lot of short grass, and some well planted waste areas. Liked the time you spent on the tee complexes with retaining walls, mulch, and flower beds. That looked really well done and different. Overall very well done design. Only suggestion would be to vary your par 3's and 5's a little bit more, 4 out 5 of your par 3 holes play between 183-198, two of the 3's and two of the 5's are the exact same length. Other than that, keep up the great work!
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Post by TeeeJ9798 on Mar 10, 2021 11:52:14 GMT -5
Cool unique course, fun to play, don't know if I've seen a course quite like this one. Some crazy looking bunkers, a lot of short grass, and some well planted waste areas. Liked the time you spent on the tee complexes with retaining walls, mulch, and flower beds. That looked really well done and different. Overall very well done design. Only suggestion would be to vary your par 3's and 5's a little bit more, 4 out 5 of your par 3 holes play between 183-198, two of the 3's and two of the 5's are the exact same length. Other than that, keep up the great work! I had the 2 manipulated pinsets which I use to vary some of the lengths of holes. Sometimes this can lead to par3's being of similar length on one pin. I also had 6 par 3s, so some of them are going to be similar in length. Otherwise, 3 of the par 5s are pretty similar in length for sure.
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Post by mctrees02 on Mar 10, 2021 14:46:06 GMT -5
Absolutely gorgeous course. Love the finishing hole here...wow! Most people seem to be big fans of 18. Some likely will have concerns it's too bold, but it really isn't unrealistic. I'll be the contrarian opinion here because I believe these sorts of discussions help us all grow as designers. Having played the course from both blue and gold tees now, I really like a lot of what you've done. You've presented a very well planted course w/ a completely different look from the cookie cutter delta course that's becoming all too common in recent months and that's a great thing. That being said, there are things about the 10th and 18th holes that could've been done differently, IMO. From the gold tees, 10 doesn't offer you any heroic options unless you're playing it w/ at least a high downwind and...and then you still have to hit two perfect, overpowered shots and get a lucky bounce. If you do all that, you're likely running off to the left of the green because a significant portion of that green are red slopes. Anything other than perfect conditions + perfect shots and it's a three shot hole where 1) 90% of the tee shot landing area is inaccessible and 2) the waste area further restricts the second shot so you're forced into a short iron to the end of the fairway with a long iron third that's all carry into a green that's not particularly well equipped to hold those shots to the pins right of the big red slope. All that is to say it's a better hole from the blue tees because, unless I'm in a very high downwind situation, I'm always playing left off the tee and then have a pair of mid to long iron approaches to get home. If you want to build a three shot par 5 that requires 3 good shots to get home, that's ok because it's nobody's birthright to reach every par 5 in two shots! However, if you're going to force players into a long iron approach for their third shot, I would prefer a green that's a bit more receptive. The concept for 18 is fine but the green sitting above multiple walls of planters is very artificial and doesn't fit anything I've seen for 17 holes. It's akin to playing 17 holes w/o water hazards only to get to 18 and find a creek weaving through the fairway on the way to an island green w/ ski boats nearby. If you're going to stick a green right next to the clubhouse porch, then make the clubhouse area OB. One could argue that the planters are also part of the clubhouse rather than the course so I wouldn't mind them being OB as well. The planters don't serve as a great hazard as there's no playability difference between them and a bunker. Additionally, the area to the right of the green is a very difficult/impossible tee shot with driver if you have any sort of headwind and you're left with no place to hit a partial driver. If the green sat up on top of a hill with a heavy rough area below it and the clubhouse OB left, that is plenty of penalty for somebody going for it and missing. If they come up short, they're on an upslope in heavy rough which is the toughest short shot to advance/control in the game. If they're left, they're back on the tee hitting 3. This type of hole still leaves the layup off the tee + wedge as a sensible alternative. If you then wrapped the rough hill around the front a bit more and move the fairway bunkers closer to the tee, then a player could choose to hit their driver well to the right and have a 130-180y approach from the most favorable angle. Just some food for thought...
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Post by hoosier404 on Mar 10, 2021 14:48:53 GMT -5
TanMan - Awesome course, played and looked great. Just curious how you created the mountains within the theme, have not seen a course designer do this before. This was so different and cool and really made this 5* stand out from the rest. I remember Jack Nicklaus games where designers could have custom back grounds and sounds which to me just kept everything fresh. I hope at some point that HB will make this possible within the course designer. Thanks for a great course and fun time.
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Post by Q on Mar 10, 2021 17:04:17 GMT -5
I From the gold tees, 10 doesn't offer you any heroic options unless you're playing it w/ at least a high downwind and...and then you still have to hit two perfect, overpowered shots and get a lucky bounce. If you do all that, you're likely running off to the left of the green because a significant portion of that green are red slopes. Anything other than perfect conditions + perfect shots and it's a three shot hole where 1) 90% of the tee shot landing area is inaccessible and 2) the waste area further restricts the second shot so you're forced into a short iron to the end of the fairway with a long iron third that's all carry into a green that's not particularly well equipped to hold those shots to the pins right of the big red slope. All that is to say it's a better hole from the blue tees because, unless I'm in a very high downwind situation, I'm always playing left off the tee and then have a pair of mid to long iron approaches to get home. If you want to build a three shot par 5 that requires 3 good shots to get home, that's ok because it's nobody's birthright to reach every par 5 in two shots! However, if you're going to force players into a long iron approach for their third shot, I would prefer a green that's a bit more receptive. 10 is an interesting one, I initially agreed with this opinion of it but then I found out how to play it properly. Aiming towards the green on the drive is a bait, leaving you no second shot. Aim VERY far right off the tee and your second shot angle is so much better and allows for a wedge in even if you miss the fairway. I actually really love that this hole baits you into hitting a bad angle into the green with the drive when if you stop and look at the hole a bit more you'll see a much more friendly way to play it
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Post by mctrees02 on Mar 10, 2021 17:38:44 GMT -5
I From the gold tees, 10 doesn't offer you any heroic options unless you're playing it w/ at least a high downwind and...and then you still have to hit two perfect, overpowered shots and get a lucky bounce. If you do all that, you're likely running off to the left of the green because a significant portion of that green are red slopes. Anything other than perfect conditions + perfect shots and it's a three shot hole where 1) 90% of the tee shot landing area is inaccessible and 2) the waste area further restricts the second shot so you're forced into a short iron to the end of the fairway with a long iron third that's all carry into a green that's not particularly well equipped to hold those shots to the pins right of the big red slope. All that is to say it's a better hole from the blue tees because, unless I'm in a very high downwind situation, I'm always playing left off the tee and then have a pair of mid to long iron approaches to get home. If you want to build a three shot par 5 that requires 3 good shots to get home, that's ok because it's nobody's birthright to reach every par 5 in two shots! However, if you're going to force players into a long iron approach for their third shot, I would prefer a green that's a bit more receptive. 10 is an interesting one, I initially agreed with this opinion of it but then I found out how to play it properly. Aiming towards the green on the drive is a bait, leaving you no second shot. Aim VERY far right off the tee and your second shot angle is so much better and allows for a wedge in even if you miss the fairway. I actually really love that this hole baits you into hitting a bad angle into the green with the drive when if you stop and look at the hole a bit more you'll see a much more friendly way to play it I considered this but the landing area to the right for the second shot is tiny and, IMO, clearly not how the hole was intended to be played. I'm pretty sure I remember TanMan even telling Ameobi on his stream not to play over to the right because there's no room for it.
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Post by coruler2 on Mar 10, 2021 17:58:01 GMT -5
Sorry to everyone who I had on my list of courses to play. This course just burnt a hole through it with the pictures on pg1. Will be playing ASAP after work
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Post by FRSTDWN on Mar 10, 2021 18:41:29 GMT -5
Well done. Can tell right from the first hole this is very well done.
Can you make some RCRs? You certainly got the skill.
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Post by Q on Mar 10, 2021 20:36:24 GMT -5
I considered this but the landing area to the right for the second shot is tiny and, IMO, clearly not how the hole was intended to be played. I'm pretty sure I remember TanMan even telling Ameobi on his stream not to play over to the right because there's no room for it. Huh, I'll replay it, it may have something to do with me playing left handed red fasts
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Post by PlatypusBrig on Mar 12, 2021 19:14:13 GMT -5
We have a little cabal of late-night XBoxers (Run Bad Tour and TGC members all) who have been playing the World Cup Courses. This course is amazing.
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Post by stubby3596 on Mar 13, 2021 9:16:07 GMT -5
TeeeJ9798 You really did a great job with this course, it was one of the most polished courses I've seen. I have to say that it is in my top 3 that I have played in the last month and that includes many of the recently released WCOD courses. I loved how you naturally incorporated the brown/red heavy rough to make it appear to be red rock, that was a look I've tried to achieve before and could never get. Obviously it comes at the expense of having no heavy rough on the in play parts of the course, but I'm fine with that. Incorporating that heavy rough into your custom backdrop was really well done as well. This was a very creative idea. Your tee boxes are just ridiculous, they are the best I've ever seen in this game. The detail here is wild. I'm guessing you must be an artist, have a job that involves art or something as your eye for aesthetics is next level. My only critique is the approach and complex on #18. It is visually stunning but doesn't fit with the first 17 holes. I love the concept but none of your other approaches had this look and feel so it just feels out of place. If that is the only thought I have to share though that’s a really good thing.
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Post by TeeeJ9798 on Mar 13, 2021 19:28:49 GMT -5
I'm guessing you must be an artist, have a job that involves art or something as your eye for aesthetics is next level. I am not an artist.
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stubby3596
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Post by stubby3596 on Mar 13, 2021 19:41:48 GMT -5
I'm guessing you must be an artist, have a job that involves art or something as your eye for aesthetics is next level. I am not an artist. Are you sure? If not, maybe you should be . Seriously awesome job on this course my friend.
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