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Post by blueblood1995 on Feb 25, 2021 22:00:46 GMT -5
Unsure if this is the correct part of the forum to post but...
I've been playing a few older courses (from 2018/2019) that have been ported and it seems the fairways on these courses are narrower than recent releases. Was this the general trend because the swing timing and swing plane were a little easier to control in older versions of TGC?
Or is it perhaps just the courses I have played?
Examples... West Fields Golf Club and Pinnacles Golf Club.
Thought both fairways were too narrow for the 2K21 swing mechanic.
Cheers
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Feb 26, 2021 0:39:01 GMT -5
Unsure if this is the correct part of the forum to post but... I've been playing a few older courses (from 2018/2019) that have been ported and it seems the fairways on these courses are narrower than recent releases. Was this the general trend because the swing timing and swing plane were a little easier top control in older versions of TGC? Or is it perhaps just the courses I have played? Examples... West Fields Golf Club and Pinnacles Golf Club. Thought both fairways were too narrow for the 2K21 swing mechanic. Cheers Yeah I kind of noticed the same thing 🙃. 2k19 was a much easier game though. The port overs in 2k21 are all major courses now lol 😂.
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theboldb
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Post by theboldb on Feb 26, 2021 9:28:49 GMT -5
I think anything less than 30yds is a bit too narrow, unless it's a deliberate choke point.
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Post by alejandroacantilado on Feb 26, 2021 9:54:56 GMT -5
This is a good point. I am not sure if this is the reason you're seeing it in 2K21, but the game in general has been moving (back) to wider fairways, which I think is great. You see that even the USGA (who is still terrible at setting up courses) is setting up courses with 35+ yard wide fairways, whereas 15 years ago you barely got 20. I think designers like Coore and Crenshaw, Doak, et all are bringing width back to the game and that is really positive.
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Rickster
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Post by Rickster on Feb 28, 2021 6:24:13 GMT -5
Yes I noticed this myself when playing Pinnacles after porting - a bit tight. The two new courses I am working on in 2K21 (early days yet) have a minimum 30 metres (32 yards) in driving area (from back tees) and I have also moved tree lines back a few more metres from fairway in most cases.
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Post by b101 on Feb 28, 2021 12:54:24 GMT -5
I've been playing a few older courses (from 2018/2019) that have been ported and it seems the fairways on these courses are narrower than recent releases. Was this the general trend because the swing timing and swing plane were a little easier to control in older versions of TGC? Yes.
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Post by Griz891 on Feb 28, 2021 16:00:26 GMT -5
I build all my fairways at 25 to 30 yards wide.....any wider seems to be to easy for the golfers we have at tgc tours.
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Post by HoneyBadgerHacker on Mar 1, 2021 9:42:10 GMT -5
30 yards is a great rule of thumb in my opinion. That of course depends on the hole and what you are trying to accomplish though. Narrowing it to 20-25 yards on choke points is okay but there are other ways to keep it 30 ish and have danger for the landing zone on drivers. I think varying the with is also a good idea as long as it’s not too big of a difference. Having wider fairways on longer holes is good and narrow fairways on shorter holes might be a good idea as well. Having a wide fairway of 50-60 yards is also good if you have center lined bunkers.
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Post by grovey31 on Mar 1, 2021 10:21:01 GMT -5
25-30 yards wide sounds too constricting to me personally. The narrower the fairways are, the more limited everything else has to be. Width creates angles into greens which allows more freedom and creativity on the putting surfaces. Wider fairways also allow you to add more interesting contours to them. The narrower they are, the flatter they need to be. This is similar to the green size thread where the smaller and narrower the playing surfaces are, the more uninteresting they will likely be. This is my opinion, not fact but I think if people are consistently hitting the fairway at 20 yds wide and we don't want to go smaller than that, then maybe we need to think of other ways to challenge players hitting onto and from fairways such as angles and contours.
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Post by b101 on Mar 1, 2021 10:51:35 GMT -5
25-30 yards wide sounds too constricting to me personally. The narrower the fairways are, the more limited everything else has to be. Width creates angles into greens which allows more freedom and creativity on the putting surfaces. Wider fairways also allow you to add more interesting contours to them. The narrower they are, the flatter they need to be. This is similar to the green size thread where the smaller and narrower the playing surfaces are, the more uninteresting they will likely be. This is my opinion, not fact but I think if people are consistently hitting the fairway at 20 yds wide and we don't want to go smaller than that, then maybe we need to think of other ways to challenge players hitting onto and from fairways such as angles and contours. Yep. If the question is simply 'can you hit this fairway?' then 25 yards is fine and you're well on your way to making Firestone. But there are better ways of defending a course and adding interest.
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theboldb
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Post by theboldb on Mar 2, 2021 3:57:07 GMT -5
Narrower fairways seem to restrict options significantly though, which ultimately hinders the replay value of a course.
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Post by cd06 on Mar 2, 2021 4:03:07 GMT -5
With my current Design League WIP, I'm trying to make fairway undulations matter a lot more. 40 to 50 yard wide fairways are planned - I'm a big fan of courses that don't use too many centreline bunkers (don't worry Ben, I did enjoy BSV and Marlette Fells). Big fan of courses like Falling Water and Maurelle Point, where there are in-fairway bunkers (less on Maurelle) that use undulations as a strategic point. Some of the Falling Water fairways are wild - that's why I enjoyed it so much.
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