reebdoog
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Post by reebdoog on Apr 7, 2015 16:56:59 GMT -5
The fairways on 6 and 2...I don't remember if they join at all. I know 3 and 7 do as do 1 and 7 and the greens for 1 and 6 and 9 and 18.
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Fluid druid
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Post by Fluid druid on Apr 7, 2015 17:14:22 GMT -5
well i managed to squeeze in one decent round, hit the pin on #15 in round four not once but twice with a flop only for it to roll off the green, ended up taking an 8...such an annoying course, a few holes with pins close to the fringe, a few times i wanted to play it safe and go more centre green to at least leave a putt, by doing this i ended up rolling off the green twice, the greens are poorly designed with no thought given to the stimp and firmness in relation to slopes...impossible to hold some, one 220 yd par 3 springs to mind...i dont mind a challenge, but this was silly golf....beautiful course with a great layout spoilt with poor stimp value and firmness...shame!
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Post by mcbogga on Apr 7, 2015 17:41:34 GMT -5
It's true what your saying about St andrews, the perfect example would be the 1st and 18th but your not carrying rought that's splitting the holes, iv never seen a pro intentionally do it, I could be wrong but sportsmanship comes to mind. IRL - There are a couple of courses on tour where they now put out of bounds markers between some holes to get rid of such advantages (after having players take advantage). On this course I don't see any place where it would be an advantage unless high winds are up - and then it does not really matter as it just provides some small relief from the conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 18:12:11 GMT -5
From a TGC Tours perspective, I don't believe purposely playing to an opposite fairway is an issue. On the actual tours, you see players playing up the wrong fairway a lot when they have hit an errant tee shot and are not forced back into the correct fairway. Plus, the designer of the course may have placed this option in the design unbeknownst to most players. Until OB is implemented in the game, I can't see this as bad sportsmanship or unfair play.
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auldy
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Post by auldy on Apr 7, 2015 18:30:32 GMT -5
Errant tee shots are irrelevant at what I'm saying, I think oob markers will sort it in future courses.
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Post by Knock25Out on Apr 7, 2015 18:49:57 GMT -5
In real life I have played plenty of holes from not the hole I am one due to wayward drives, lol. The game doesnt have OB, so IMO you should be able to play it wherever you want. I see the point that you are making but have to respectfully disagree.
Though I can see where it can be frustrating if you didnt have the wind advantage to do it.
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Post by edi_vedder on Apr 7, 2015 19:07:25 GMT -5
Damn it... I'm so pissed about myself! Started my tourney yesterday, and was quiet confident with the course after a few practice rounds. I had medium winds and managed to shoot a 68 (-4) in R1. That sounds not too bad maybe... but honestly, I should have made at least a 65 or so. Played so many good iron/approach shots, but missed so many makeable putts. Once again I should have made a break after my first round... but I didn't. And this should take vengeance. Played my worst round of golf since Q-School maybe, with a horrible 75 (+3) on the scorecard for R2. Just couldn't get anything to work as wanted/expected, making lots of mistakes on approaches (and putting again, of course). After a short break I came back to score another 68 (-4) in R3. That was okay, as the wind has increased. So I'm sitting at -5 after three rounds. Never thought I'd have to think about making cut. Fortunately, a lot of players seem to struggle with this course, so I might make it into the weekend, hopefully going (really) low on my final round.
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Post by geef85 on Apr 7, 2015 19:15:50 GMT -5
Hole 2. Par 5. People driving way left onto another hole to gain advantage on 2nd shot into the green. Of course they are gaining from it. They are able to drop short of the green and run on. Playing the hole properly, its a massive risk tryin to take the green on as falling short can easily end up OB
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jamesearl13
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Post by jamesearl13 on Apr 7, 2015 23:26:05 GMT -5
It's true what your saying about St andrews, the perfect example would be the 1st and 18th but your not carrying rought that's splitting the holes, iv never seen a pro intentionally do it, I could be wrong but sportsmanship comes to mind. If the course designer failed to bar progress utilizing an alternate route, its fair game. More times than not, I screw myself trying to outsmart the course, but if you can get away with it, there is absolutely nothing unsportsmanlike about it. Plus you open the can of worms of enforcement, not to mention if one player is clever enough to spot a shortcut, that just makes them smarter than those not willing to look for anything beyond the straightforward shot. Aaaaaaannnnnd, its certainly not an unfair advantage because everybody playing can make the same shot.
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auldy
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Post by auldy on Apr 8, 2015 2:00:00 GMT -5
It all comes down to principle with me if you want to cut corners work away
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Post by Pubknight on Apr 8, 2015 5:05:13 GMT -5
So I'm sitting at -5 after three rounds. Never thought I'd have to think about making cut. Fortunately, a lot of players seem to struggle with this course, so I might make it into the weekend, hopefully going (really) low on my final round. I'm +6 after 2 rounds, and already in. Your -5 is safe. 82 person field, and 70 make the cut. Already 12 people at +9 or worse. So +8 and better will make the cut as of right now, guaranteed... and that line will likely push higher. Anything under par on this course is a very good score.
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Post by Pubknight on Apr 8, 2015 7:56:48 GMT -5
It all comes down to principle with me if you want to cut corners work away 1979 British Open at Royal Lytham and St. Annes, 16th hole. Seve Ballesteros played his tee shot intentionally into the parking lot (not out of bounds) to take advantage of the prevailing winds. Sand wedge to the green, and a birdie. Ended up winning that tournament, his first major. This is also an interesting read if you were so inclined: Lon Hinkle's treeI totally get your opinion. I just have a different take on it. I see it as something of 'outsmarting the golf course'. And kudos to people for finding those spots and exploring them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5
Total @!$#ing meltdown on last round. Played 3 first round in same kind of wind, about 8-15mph in same direction. Last round was from 10-15mph, but totally opposite direction, but I played on. Never should have. Didn't know what to do on any hole, and landed wrong on every bloody green, and just rolled off out into the goddamn rough!!! Hope Ill never see this course again, or more correct, THIS setup. Iwe played it at is was intended to, with slower greens, and then it is acceptable.
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Post by bpunderpar21 on Apr 8, 2015 15:19:13 GMT -5
Just sitting here at work watching the Masters Par 3 Contest and can't help but think how much more fun it would be if the greens were so hard that wedges and short irons wouldn't hold and the ball would bounce and accelerate after hitting the green in pure defiance of physics and roll further than the drives roll on the fairways and go off the back of the green even though it hit as close to the front edge as possible. Oh wait, that wouldn't be any fun at all...
The course itself is awesome. It's so smooth on the ps4 and I would love to play it as it was intended with slow greens. But these "firmed up" tournaments are just not fun at all. I love the undulations in the greens and really only missed 1 or 2 short putts. But the approach shots are just silly and so far beyond unrealistic that it takes the fun/realism part out of it for me. Sure does up the challenge and reward for those rare birdies and reinforces that par is a good score though. I'll be looking forward to tapping in on the 18th on Sunday for sure.
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Post by mcbogga on Apr 8, 2015 15:32:27 GMT -5
I just don't see where there are problems holding greens? It's a tricky course and getting approaches close it no easy task - but it's far from one of those concrete courses that I agree does not play fun. The approaches are quite varied in terms of club and green-slope. Overall a good set up. The original set up would play too easy for a tour set up. Ideally all aspects of a players game should be tested and this course accomplishes that very nicely.
Sure - sometimes a shot may need to be lofted downwind, but I found this course much more logical than the Shakespeare from an approach perspective.
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