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Post by trailducker on Jan 9, 2021 0:42:43 GMT -5
Anybody have a good tip for reading greens without leaning on the colors? That's the part of my game holding me back on Pro. Without the put view I suuuuuuck at reading the break. I miss so many gimmie par puts. I've seen a video on how to count movements in either direction based on the color each square but I am a bit color blind. So the small variations in the colors I don't see well and have to use the markers moving speed as indication but not doing too hot.
Any tips out there?!
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Post by trailducker on Jan 9, 2021 0:45:38 GMT -5
On an unrelated note and just me venting. I HATE how slow pitch shots are. I constantly and starting my downswing too early. Mostly when I don't pay attention a realize it's in a pitch, but sometimes even when I notice I still start it too soon. I also hate how just a little less on pitch shot then the meter means like 10 yards too short.
But thats just me b%&ing and needing to pay attention more because they are useful shots when used right.
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Post by Blade on Jan 9, 2021 12:23:13 GMT -5
On an unrelated note and just me venting. I HATE how slow pitch shots are. I constantly and starting my downswing too early. Mostly when I don't pay attention a realize it's in a pitch, but sometimes even when I notice I still start it too soon. I also hate how just a little less on pitch shot then the meter means like 10 yards too short. But thats just me b%&ing and needing to pay attention more because they are useful shots when used right. I don't really use the colors much, but just look at how fast it is moving and move appropriately. For me, most lines are moving 1-5 clicks (quick move to the limit of the controller). If they are really moving (usually orange or red), I then just make a best guess at the total putt to get a lag putt. If you really want to geek out on math, I saw this formula by one of the folks who use charts (sorry, wish I could remember who) and it so fascinated me that somebody figured it out. It is a two part formula. First, the formula for each grid line is 5.3*COS(0.0128*(ABS(time)+70))+5.3 where "time" is how long it takes the cursor to go across the line. Note the time is positive or negative depending which way it goes (if you have breaks in both directions). Second, you add up each line's result, apply a factor and take into account green speed (GS) to get this formula. # of clicks to get the break=((sum of each line)*0.0062*GS)-0.019. Of course that gives you how many clicks the developer of the formula used. Your clicks may be different, so you will have to add another fudge factor to get the final result to get your number of clicks required. You can divide the final result if your clicks are bigger, multiply if your clicks are smaller Told you the math was a total geek out! |
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 9, 2021 18:16:43 GMT -5
On an unrelated note and just me venting. I HATE how slow pitch shots are. I constantly and starting my downswing too early. Mostly when I don't pay attention a realize it's in a pitch, but sometimes even when I notice I still start it too soon. I also hate how just a little less on pitch shot then the meter means like 10 yards too short. But thats just me b%&ing and needing to pay attention more because they are useful shots when used right. So. True. |
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Post by trailducker on Jan 9, 2021 18:28:36 GMT -5
On an unrelated note and just me venting. I HATE how slow pitch shots are. I constantly and starting my downswing too early. Mostly when I don't pay attention a realize it's in a pitch, but sometimes even when I notice I still start it too soon. I also hate how just a little less on pitch shot then the meter means like 10 yards too short. But thats just me b%&ing and needing to pay attention more because they are useful shots when used right. I don't really use the colors much, but just look at how fast it is moving and move appropriately. For me, most lines are moving 1-5 clicks (quick move to the limit of the controller). If they are really moving (usually orange or red), I then just make a best guess at the total putt to get a lag putt. If you really want to geek out on math, I saw this formula by one of the folks who use charts (sorry, wish I could remember who) and it so fascinated me that somebody figured it out. It is a two part formula. First, the formula for each grid line is 5.3*COS(0.0128*(ABS(time)+70))+5.3 where "time" is how long it takes the cursor to go across the line. Note the time is positive or negative depending which way it goes (if you have breaks in both directions). Second, you add up each line's result, apply a factor and take into account green speed (GS) to get this formula. # of clicks to get the break=((sum of each line)*0.0062*GS)-0.019. Of course that gives you how many clicks the developer of the formula used. Your clicks may be different, so you will have to add another fudge factor to get the final result to get your number of clicks required. You can divide the final result if your clicks are bigger, multiply if your clicks are smaller Told you the math was a total geek out! You know in high school when I could solve derivatives and intergals maybe I could do that. But the most complicated math I've had to do since then is triganometry so that's too advanced for me unless I want to play with a calculator next to me  |
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Post by Blade on Jan 9, 2021 19:57:33 GMT -5
You know in high school when I could solve derivatives and intergals maybe I could do that. But the most complicated math I've had to do since then is triganometry so that's too advanced for me unless I want to play with a calculator next to me Same for me, not to mention the time it takes to get a stopwatch time on each line, but wanted you to know the option was out there. Good luck - putting well has certainly been a journey for me - one that I am more towards the beginning than the end! |
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Post by smith on Jan 10, 2021 0:13:15 GMT -5
I used a "putting system" for a solid two months where I counted clicks/taps for break and the more I used it, the better and faster I got at it. I then got to a point where I wanted to split a single 'click' into a half click, etc. and realized I was making it more difficult than need be... I decided to quit counting clicks for putts and simply use feel - I now my more putts than I ever and haven't counted since.
In my opinion, putting in the time using a counting method (based on speed of the line, not color) helped a TON in building a foundation. Even though I don't use it anymore, my instinct surely wouldn't be the same without building that baseline/foundation.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Jan 10, 2021 0:37:55 GMT -5
I used a "putting system" for a solid two months where I counted clicks/taps for break and the more I used it, the better and faster I got at it. I then got to a point where I wanted to split a single 'click' into a half click, etc. and realized I was making it more difficult than need be... I decided to quit counting clicks for putts and simply use feel - I now my more putts than I ever and haven't counted since. In my opinion, putting in the time using a counting method (based on speed of the line, not color) helped a TON in building a foundation. Even though I don't use it anymore, my instinct surely wouldn't be the same without building that baseline/foundation. Agree 100% with this. Just like in the real game putting is a feel based method and not mathematical (unless you ask Bryson of course!) I found trying to count squares detracted from the enjoyment of the game. I learnt to putt by feel and use the distance I have to take the putter back as a guide. Putting has never been better and probably the best part of my online golfing game. I guess at the end of the day it's whatever works but I can tell you I find the "feel" method so much more satisfying as it most accurately simulates the game of golf. I don't always get it right but hey I don't always get in right in real life... In fact I'm a much better putter on 2K21!  Practice, practice, practice! Putting is nowhere near as frustrating as the full swing tempo! |
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Post by blueblood1995 on Jan 10, 2021 0:41:57 GMT -5
Apologies this doesn't help the OP with reading putts. I agree with Blade . trailducker If colour blindness is an issue then learn the pace of the arrows. This would be the only other way. |
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Post by trailducker on Jan 10, 2021 1:26:54 GMT -5
Apologies this doesn't help the OP with reading putts. I agree with Blade . trailducker If colour blindness is an issue then learn the pace of the arrows. This would be the only other way. haha thanks. Yeah I'm doing that and getting a little better, just wondering if anybody had a trick for reading the arrow movements accurately, but I just need to get the practice in. |
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Post by Blade on Jan 10, 2021 13:35:23 GMT -5
Apologies this doesn't help the OP with reading putts. I agree with Blade . trailducker If colour blindness is an issue then learn the pace of the arrows. This would be the only other way. haha thanks. Yeah I'm doing that and getting a little better, just wondering if anybody had a trick for reading the arrow movements accurately, but I just need to get the practice in. No matter what system you use, practice is more important for putting than anything else. And unfortunately, I have not found a way to speed that process up. Slowly getting better is where I am at. |
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Post by rob4590 on Jan 10, 2021 13:47:41 GMT -5
Play your friendly rounds with the putt preview on (unlimited number) - read the greens without it - set yourself up into the correct direction and power - and then check with the preview what the putt will do. Eventually you will figure from that whether you are over or under reading, hitting too hard or soft etc - and then you can adjust.
But use the gridlines to read in the first place (assuming you can see them properly?) - they tell the truth better than the beads (although the beads have become mostly accurate in this version - in 19 they lied constantly)
Get down to ground level (Y button on XB controller, then pull back on the stick to get low - move along the lines with the other stick - and use the bottom of your TV / monitor to check whether they slope and how much)
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Post by Blade on Jan 10, 2021 14:53:26 GMT -5
Play your friendly rounds with the putt preview on (unlimited number) - read the greens without it - set yourself up into the correct direction and power - and then check with the preview what the putt will do. Eventually you will figure from that whether you are over or under reading, hitting too hard or soft etc - and then you can adjust. But use the gridlines to read in the first place (assuming you can see them properly?) - they tell the truth better than the beads (although the beads have become mostly accurate in this version - in 19 they lied constantly) Get down to ground level (Y button on XB controller, then pull back on the stick to get low - move along the lines with the other stick - and use the bottom of your TV / monitor to check whether they slope and how much) I like the putt preview idea, but it presumes a perfect hit, which I consistently don't have. I am not wild (usually) but that little tilt left (usually) of the line makes quite a difference I have found. |
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Post by trailducker on Jan 10, 2021 14:54:52 GMT -5
Play your friendly rounds with the putt preview on (unlimited number) - read the greens without it - set yourself up into the correct direction and power - and then check with the preview what the putt will do. Eventually you will figure from that whether you are over or under reading, hitting too hard or soft etc - and then you can adjust. But use the gridlines to read in the first place (assuming you can see them properly?) - they tell the truth better than the beads (although the beads have become mostly accurate in this version - in 19 they lied constantly) Get down to ground level (Y button on XB controller, then pull back on the stick to get low - move along the lines with the other stick - and use the bottom of your TV / monitor to check whether they slope and how much) Yeah I was doing that but felt the crutch was still keeping me from reading them accurately when I turned pro off. I haven't been goiung down to ground level so I'll start doing that more. Just been using scout came for by the hole and trying to read the break from the player towards it. |
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Post by trailducker on Jan 10, 2021 14:57:22 GMT -5
Play your friendly rounds with the putt preview on (unlimited number) - read the greens without it - set yourself up into the correct direction and power - and then check with the preview what the putt will do. Eventually you will figure from that whether you are over or under reading, hitting too hard or soft etc - and then you can adjust. But use the gridlines to read in the first place (assuming you can see them properly?) - they tell the truth better than the beads (although the beads have become mostly accurate in this version - in 19 they lied constantly) Get down to ground level (Y button on XB controller, then pull back on the stick to get low - move along the lines with the other stick - and use the bottom of your TV / monitor to check whether they slope and how much) I like the putt preview idea, but it presumes a perfect hit, which I consistently don't have. I am not wild (usually) but that little tilt left (usually) of the line makes quite a difference I have found. I'm actually pretty good at hitting my shot distance and pretty straight in the game. It's 1. Reading putting break and 2. Tempo I don't have down. For swinging I basically always play a little bit of a left drift because I am constantly fast on my tempo. Tried recallibrating so many times but still can't get that down, i'm making it work decently, its the times I mis read distance that will cause a big score usually. Or when I miss its a pitxch swing and duff it in some sh%$  |
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