scoll3
Amateur Golfer
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Post by scoll3 on Nov 21, 2020 16:40:02 GMT -5
What is everyone's take to adding length to an RCR that doesn't exist IRL? Put another way, what are people's thoughts on adding tee boxes to spots that could realistically be built while preserving the strategy as intended on the wholes. With the 2k clubs and wide-ish fairways at this gem, it plays really short. I play with no assists on because I am a junky for real simulation, so I feel I play the holes as they ought to be IRL but I could see it becoming a wedge fest for most players. Thoughts? There a definitely some spots to add a back tee to some of the holes I’m not completely opposed, as long as the tees are realistic and don’t compromise the strategy of certain holes... for example if there’s a hole that is intended to be short, don’t extend it a ridiculous amount just for the sake of distance. At the end of the day it’s your call - I trust you would go about it well if you decided to “lengthen!”
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Post by blueblood1995 on Nov 21, 2020 21:26:22 GMT -5
What is everyone's take to adding length to an RCR that doesn't exist IRL? Put another way, what are people's thoughts on adding tee boxes to spots that could realistically be built while preserving the strategy as intended on the wholes. With the 2k clubs and wide-ish fairways at this gem, it plays really short. Thoughts? There a definitely some spots to add a back tee to some of the holes I'd make sure you have all tees preserved as the course currently stands. Then make a back (colour black ??) tee set "realistically" placed whilst preserving the current strategy as you say. I think this would be really interesting. You are able to play the course as was originally designed and how the members play as well as a course to suit "modern technology" so to speak. Looking forward to another pobee course.
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Post by pobee10 on Nov 23, 2020 0:02:06 GMT -5
I am grinding on this one. Trying to get a hole done each day, but getting each hole right is taking 5-6 hours per hole. So here are some shots of the progress. There are many subtle nuggets of this course that I am trying to perfect both aesthetically and golf wise. I am most definitely going to circle back to Shinnecock upon finishing this one, I feel I have honed my skills substantially since working on that one. Im proud of it, but there are definitely some improvements that can be made. Anyways back to garden city: Worked extensively on the ninth this evening and the eastern part of the property... Tee ball to a sloped fairway at nine. Approach is over a waste bunker area. Looking back over the ninth from behind the green Fifth fariway with waste-ey mounds seperating it from the par-5 4th. Fifth green - have a new appreciation for Walter Travis' bunkers. Approach into eight.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Nov 23, 2020 0:10:12 GMT -5
Having not even been close to visiting both Shinnecock or Garden City I can see the similarities between both however. Looks like Garden City is a bit sandier correct? Has the same general appearance with the burnt rough and an open expansive layout. Keep grinding!
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Post by hickoryghost on Nov 23, 2020 0:36:25 GMT -5
Don't rush it. It looks stunning.
I agree that back tees for 2k21 are a must. I'd say front tees for sim, middle for authentic in case anyone wants to just tour it, and back for gamers.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Nov 23, 2020 8:32:13 GMT -5
Oh man this has the chance by the look of it to be the best RCR we have!
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Post by parbuster1962 on Nov 23, 2020 14:19:27 GMT -5
If you change the length of the holes you are no longer producing an RCR course.
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Post by trip4563 on Nov 23, 2020 16:58:10 GMT -5
Why is that? Even if he has a set of tees that much up to the real course yardage? They back up tee boxes for tour pros are they not still playing the same course just at a longer more challenging distance? Its not as if simply adding a tee box changes anything else on the course, it's just a longer option and the only change being made to the course is the addition of a small box
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Post by pobee10 on Nov 23, 2020 17:31:43 GMT -5
If you change the length of the holes you are no longer producing an RCR course. I think as long as its not clearing trees, claiming land off property, or moving tons of dirt to do it, its still an RCR. Glen Oaks Club, that I know fondly and created in this game, created several teeing grounds as well as stuck some tee locations on other hole's tee boxes to add length in advance of the 2017 Northern Trust. I get the purist take to leave as is. But I think you'll appreciate a little more length here if done tastefully.
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Post by hickoryghost on Nov 23, 2020 23:15:35 GMT -5
If you change the length of the holes you are no longer producing an RCR course. I agree with that for simulators. But everybody hits like Bryson Dechambeau on here and every real course is a pitch and putt. Too bad we can't dampen our player's distances to simulate our own.
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Post by pobee10 on Nov 23, 2020 23:36:36 GMT -5
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Post by tpetro on Nov 23, 2020 23:36:48 GMT -5
The only issue being you can't extend most of the holes at all. 1, 2, 7, 9-14, 16, and 17 are as far back as they can possibly go, and 18 can only be extended if you cut down some trees short right of the pond. That's 12 holes that cannot be extended unless you buy more property, and some of the holes not listed would have to have their tees moved across other holes (4, 7 if you wanted to get crazy). If you're lengthening 6 holes and leaving 12 then you're gonna get an incredibly inconsistent course that will play worse than the pitch-and-putt-esque original distances. Probably better to leave them all as they are.
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Post by pobee10 on Nov 23, 2020 23:40:25 GMT -5
The only issue being you can't extend most of the holes at all. 1, 2, 7, 9-14, 16, and 17 are as far back as they can possibly go, and 18 can only be extended if you cut down some trees short right of the pond. That's 12 holes that cannot be extended unless you buy more property, and some of the holes not listed would have to have their tees moved across other holes (4, 7 if you wanted to get crazy). If you're lengthening 6 holes and leaving 12 then you're gonna get an incredibly inconsistent course that will play worse than the pitch-and-putt-esque original distances. Probably better to leave them all as they are. I agree with you and am going to leave as is after doing some exploration today. The holes that can be lengthened don't make sense as fairway traps etc are taken out of play completely. I think the proper way to play this course is with prevailing wind and firm and fast greens. I do not think it will be a cakewalk.
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Post by pobee10 on Nov 25, 2020 16:56:29 GMT -5
Layout, planting & objects and most sculpting is finally done. Did my first play through and took some grabs for you guys. Still adding things here and there and perfecting edging, bunkers and sculpting. Just so much here to get right. 1st 2nd 3rd 4th fairway sloping and mounding 5th 9th 11th 12 green 13 tee 13 the 16th 17 green 18 (eden)
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Post by richashon on Oct 28, 2021 12:36:08 GMT -5
Wow! How cool! You are a great fellow! Landscape design of such a large area is a very difficult job. I even decided to entrust my yard to professionals from the site www.walshlandscaping.co.uk/services/landscape-gardeners-maidenhead-marlow/. They did everything as I wanted and even better. I didn't think that on such a small plot as my yard you can make an amazingly beautiful place to relax. Now I constantly admire my roses and hydrangeas. Although the golf club is certainly much cooler.
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