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Post by aeastwood54 on Sept 23, 2020 3:44:47 GMT -5
Currently under construction, this 18 hole course set in the snowcapped mountains will feature an old school outward 9 and then an inward 9 layout wrapped around a lake with some inland holes climbing the surrounding hills, the big lake will be in play for for 7 out of the 18 holes but there is a pond in play for a further 3 holes on the golf course. The course will be setup as a stern but no unfair test of all aspects of your golf game. It will test your golf course management, your strategy and your ego. 2 of the Par 5s have split fairways and are reachable in 2 depending on which option you take. One of these is shown in the photos below (hopefully the link works) Ive also published the first 9 holes as a test, called BetaTest54. There have been a few tweaks since it was published but please feel free to play it and reply with some feedback. Photo link
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Post by mctrees02 on Sept 23, 2020 13:35:22 GMT -5
In the middle of 12, why not just make one single center line bunker? I can't think of an example where a course has multiple, let alone six, bunkers used as the central hazard? Consider picking one shape and then overlapping them through the area to create a unique shape within one large bunker.
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Post by aeastwood54 on Sept 23, 2020 16:37:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. The point of the central bunkers is to be unique, that’s what I was going for. A big expanse of sand only wouldn’t have achieved the look I wanted or tied in with the rest of the course, plus as it is a raised area, joined up bunker on the crest of a hill begin to look like dunes which definitely isn't what i'm trying to achieve. My 3rd hole (you can see it if you play the Betatest54) also has a split fairway but it done completely differently with a raised hill and tree area.
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Post by mattf27 on Sept 30, 2020 10:46:37 GMT -5
I just have to say, before this gets released, that "PGA Major Golf Club" might be the "Washington Football Team" of course names.
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Post by aeastwood54 on Sept 30, 2020 11:50:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the support. There are many courses in real life that have PGA etc as their names. I’m going for a Major feel and course setup so why not? A name is literally a search tool for courses. The important thing for a course is how it looks and how it plays. Also didn’t you have a course called Pacific Pines? Isn’t that similiar, it’s on the Pacific and it has pines.
Sorry I’m not as experienced a designer as you but if I comment on people’s courses it’s generally praise or constructive criticism. I don’t try to belittle them.
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Post by CiB0RG on Sept 30, 2020 14:04:55 GMT -5
These photos look nice! I think what Matt is trying to say is that the name "PGA Major Golf Club" is very vanilla and people might pass on playing it because the name doesn't make it stand out. Course names are very important for catching people's eyes. If I were searching the database for a new course to try odds are I wouldn't play something with this name because it's so standard sounding. I would recommend taking his advice and try coming up with a name that has a little more character. You want to do your course justice with the name not hurt it's chances of getting plays. It also makes it harder to find your course because you have to assume lots of casual players will probably name their course something with "pga" or "major" in it. You wouldn't want someone to have to dig through all that trying to search for your course. I hope that makes sense. You would buy a car called a Chevy Camaro but if it were just called a Chevy Two Door Sport Coupe the name would seem like a swing and a miss, right? Best of luck on this one! The planting looks great
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Post by mattf27 on Sept 30, 2020 14:15:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the support. There are many courses in real life that have PGA etc as their names. I’m going for a Major feel and course setup so why not? A name is literally a search tool for courses. The important thing for a course is how it looks and how it plays. Also didn’t you have a course called Pacific Pines? Isn’t that similiar, it’s on the Pacific and it has pines. Sorry I’m not as experienced a designer as you but if I comment on people’s courses it’s generally praise or constructive criticism. I don’t try to belittle them. Maybe trying to lighten the mood and drop my feedback as a joke wasn't the best approach, but the point still stands that "PGA Major Golf Club" as a name is evocative of nothing. If folks are browsing through the forums, database, etc looking for courses to play, they're going to skip over stuff that has obvious red flags. A name paints a picture, and a bland name paints an uninteresting picture. Obviously you can do whatever you want, but enough people kept forwarding me this thread I felt compelled to say something.
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Post by cephyn on Sept 30, 2020 14:40:44 GMT -5
Courses in this game that infringe on copyrights have had their names starred out and been rendered unsearchable. "PGA" might be one of those restricted terms. Something to think about - nothing worse than publishing your course and then having it 'disappeared'.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 30, 2020 15:26:58 GMT -5
I did mention this earlier on FB to you about the name of the course and you weren’t keen on listening then but hopefully a few others pointing it out might hit home. Without being blunt, there are two types of designers;
There’s designers that have bunkers that are lumpy, unsculpted and bridging three surfaces whose background elevations are done with sharp brushes and all trees are auto generated. These courses are normally called “Tiger Woods 420 major golf”
Then there’s designers that spend 80+ hours on there courses and make them a work of art. Their names and photos for the course entice you in and represent real life.
I’ve seen your planting skills and you’re definitely the latter. Don’t cheapen your work by calling it something goofy
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Post by mctrees02 on Sept 30, 2020 16:55:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the support. There are many courses in real life that have PGA etc as their names. I’m going for a Major feel and course setup so why not? A name is literally a search tool for courses. The important thing for a course is how it looks and how it plays. Also didn’t you have a course called Pacific Pines? Isn’t that similiar, it’s on the Pacific and it has pines. Sorry I’m not as experienced a designer as you but if I comment on people’s courses it’s generally praise or constructive criticism. I don’t try to belittle them. You might want to check out Matt's thread about bad course names. He has a bit of experience in seeing the names of almost every course that is submitted to the database. Course Naming Guide
In checking the database, you also won't find any courses with PGA besides PGA National and PGA West. For Major, the only course with that name is a port over of a course from the TGC1/2 days. A good golf course name should evoke a sense of place. A few examples: - Pebble Beach Golf Links...course is located in Pebble Beach, it's a golf course, and it's a seaside links (not really anymore but it was when built 100yrs ago) - Cypress Point Club...the course is filled with Cypress trees, the edge of the property juts out onto Cypress Point, and it's a private club - Augusta National...it's located in Augusta, GA, the course weaves in and out of and is primarily a national membership. - Bandon Dunes...located in Bandon, OR and built on sand dunes - Sand Hills...the course is laid on top of SANDy soil running through the chop HILLS of western Nebraska If I named a course Pacific Pines, you might be expecting a course by the ocean that weaves in and out of pine trees. Now if you showed up at Pacific Pines and found it was a tree barren desert course in Tucson, AZ you might think "geez that's a terrible name for the course." To that effect, if your course is called PGA Major Golf Club, it tells me literally nothing about the course than that, should I choose to play it, I will probably spend the next 18 holes in a lifeless, uninspiring tree lined, parkland course with thick rough and soft greens that likely presents the same hole concept over and over and over just like we see week in and week out on the PGA Tour. If you're putting 100 hours into building a golf course, take 1 to 15 minutes to give it a unique name. If a woman takes 9 months letting a baby grow inside of her, she probably doesn't want to name the child Blonde Female Smith or Male Blue Eyes Johnson.
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Post by aeastwood54 on Sept 30, 2020 17:29:24 GMT -5
My point is, I had a thread on TGC2019 WIP with 9 holes almost complete with flyovers of holes, pics to twitter etc and not one word was said. I do a huge amount of work promoting over the last 2/3 weeks. I’d one comment on the name out of 50-100 comments on FB, i don’t know who everyone is in the design world so I can’t be expected to properly take notice of 1 comment such as this which is why I’ve threads up. I’m only designing since April and have had 2 Tour Approved courses (Links @ Fir Trees Bay G.C & Rolling Rock Country Club) I’ve a friend helping me out to do a picture montage to non copyrighted music to promote the course. I will look at the name but wish this had been sooner as I’d so much work done based off this name and I’m publishing Friday.
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Post by cephyn on Sept 30, 2020 17:39:05 GMT -5
My point is, I had a thread on TGC2019 WIP with 9 holes almost complete with flyovers of holes, pics to twitter etc and not one word was said. I do a huge amount of work promoting over the last 2/3 weeks. I’d one comment on the name out of 50-100 comments on FB, i don’t know who everyone is in the design world so I can’t be expected to properly take notice of 1 comment such as this which is why I’ve threads up. I’m only designing since April and have had 2 Tour Approved courses (Links @ Fir Trees Bay G.C & Rolling Rock Country Club) I’ve a friend helping me out to do a picture montage to non copyrighted music to promote the course. I will look at the name but wish this had been sooner as I’d so much work done based off this name and I’m publishing Friday. I guess your recent promoting worked, we're noticing it now. And now you don't want the feedback because it's too late? ...ok.
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Post by aeastwood54 on Sept 30, 2020 17:50:48 GMT -5
Changing the name. Just wish it had been sooner as I e to redo work plus it wasn’t put in a constructive way to begin with
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 1, 2020 2:38:30 GMT -5
My point is, I had a thread on TGC2019 WIP with 9 holes almost complete with flyovers of holes, pics to twitter etc and not one word was said. I do a huge amount of work promoting over the last 2/3 weeks. I’d one comment on the name out of 50-100 comments on FB, i don’t know who everyone is in the design world so I can’t be expected to properly take notice of 1 comment such as this which is why I’ve threads up. I’m only designing since April and have had 2 Tour Approved courses (Links @ Fir Trees Bay G.C & Rolling Rock Country Club) I’ve a friend helping me out to do a picture montage to non copyrighted music to promote the course. I will look at the name but wish this had been sooner as I’d so much work done based off this name and I’m publishing Friday. Yes but I’m also on this group and I see some god awful design work on there. I released an RCR the other day and one of the comments was “boring course, very samey and far too easy”, the bloke didnt understand that Donald Steel designed the course and I was just recreating it! This group is for serious designers so you’ll get proper feedback, it’s an opportunity for you to keep improving
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 1, 2020 4:09:00 GMT -5
Also massive kudos for having both your first courses accepted on here, it’s a great start so looking forward to seeing your progression!
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