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Post by Brighttail on Mar 24, 2015 11:32:23 GMT -5
Just finished playing a round with Brionne and was witness to one of the best rounds of golf I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing. A hole in one on #6 .. throwing darts the rest of the way and a hole out from 205 yards on #17. Simply amazing. Hope you can keep it up during the tourney! I guess he didn't like me beating him by one in this week's tourney or in the previous round! Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 0:14:58 GMT -5
Was thinking about switching over to this event but Brionne, that is a great score! Can't compete with that.
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Post by edi_vedder on Mar 25, 2015 0:16:59 GMT -5
So European Tour is going very, very low once again?
Okay, Brionne might not be the standard for most of us. We'll see... great score anyway!
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Post by Doyley on Mar 25, 2015 0:28:15 GMT -5
...not so fast guys Biggins is working on a multi-pin release that will be toughened up slightly as well - just waiting on word it's ready for public consumption. Should be out Wednesday for practice rounds.
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Post by Brionne on Mar 25, 2015 0:41:30 GMT -5
...not so fast guys But wait.. There's more....
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Post by Doyley on Mar 25, 2015 0:42:09 GMT -5
I ninja'd an edit...look again
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Post by Brionne on Mar 25, 2015 0:44:58 GMT -5
I ninja'd an edit...look again Just a multi pin release or firmness change as well?
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Post by Doyley on Mar 25, 2015 0:52:17 GMT -5
I ninja'd an edit...look again Just a multi pin release or firmness change as well? Need to confirm with Biggins. He's been busy working on it so I'll find out in the morning what firmness he's submitting.
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Post by ed68bogus on Mar 25, 2015 3:28:12 GMT -5
I've put in a couple of rounds in on here too, my last being -16...
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 25, 2015 10:22:00 GMT -5
Sigh.
If you are going to do this stuff you need to do it more than 6 days before the start of the tourney....
I mean what is the point of practicing on a something for a couple of weeks only to find out 4-5 days before the tourney starts everything has changed?
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Post by Doyley on Mar 25, 2015 10:28:03 GMT -5
Sigh. If you are going to do this stuff you need to do it more than 6 days before the start of the tourney.... Not really - if you can't adjust to different settings with 8 days to complete the first two rounds then an extra 10 days isn't going to matter. Updated post here: tgctours.proboards.com/post/26615/thread
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 25, 2015 10:36:43 GMT -5
My point is what you are asking the creators to do is to firm things up and change the overall play of the course in a way it may not have been intended. This is how you get a course like Bison run where you can't hold a par 3. Whereas if the creator started out to make a course with fast/hard conditions, they wouldn't make a 207 yard par 3 with a bunker in front. They would either shorten then yardage, extend the green or make the front open and accessible.
I understand WHY you are doing this, Doyley. You want to up the challenge for the golfers. Just remember there are a lot of folks out there who find these courses challenging enough every week as they are. I'm a big advocate of having one tour have a toughened up course while the other tour is normal, AND visa Versa. Some weeks they can be both hard and some week both easy, but I hope we have a good mix and people will have a choice whether they want the four pin mega course or the original easier course on a weekly basis.
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Post by mcbogga on Mar 25, 2015 10:49:21 GMT -5
No issues holding any hole on the tour version Bison unless you have really bad winds. You will need to hit the right spot with the right shape however. Course plays really well in my opinion.
The Shakespeare looks to be a beast in its new costume!
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Post by Doyley on Mar 25, 2015 10:52:21 GMT -5
My point is what you are asking the creators to do is to firm things up and change the overall play of the course in a way it may not have been intended. This is how you get a course like Bison run where you can't hold a par 3. Whereas if the creator started out to make a course with fast/hard conditions, they wouldn't make a 207 yard par 3 with a bunker in front. They would either shorten then yardage, extend the green or make the front open and accessible. I understand WHY you are doing this, Doyley. You want to up the challenge for the golfers. Just remember there are a lot of folks out there who find these courses challenging enough every week as they are. I'm a big advocate of having one tour have a toughened up course while the other tour is normal, AND visa Versa. Some weeks they can be both hard and some week both easy, but I hope we have a good mix and people will have a choice whether they want the four pin mega course or the original easier course on a weekly basis. We've done that - PGA has Medium firm/fast greens with some devilish green slopes, Euro is a bit firmer - but course/greens more receptive to the shot types and less severe slopes on them for the most part. Pick your poison
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 25, 2015 12:04:42 GMT -5
This whole, "lets make the courses harder" started with people complaining about the scores being too unrealistic. From my position THAT wasn't the REAL complaint. What I believe they were saying was, "Hey I'm shooting my best and I'm scoring -20 - -30 which on the Real PGA would be a winner and yet, people are shooting -60 and -70, That isn't fair!"
What they were really complaining about is their best is no where close to the elite, but what they said it the scores weren't realistic. So the courses were made tougher, the scores dropped and the cut line dropped. Wanna know what else dropped? The gap between those medium players and the elite. It "dropped" meaning it got larger and now the same people are complaining the courses are too hard cause they can't score a birdie.
In the end I can only speak for myself. I play a course to have fun. Fun for each person is different. Some like the ability to fire at every pin, while others find this boring. Some like each shot to be challenging and each shot having to be perfect and missing it just a bit means you forfeit your chance for birdie and have to settle for a par or worse. Others like finding that ONE way the course designer created to play the whole properly, eg, long iron off the tee and a fade long iron into the hill just before the green.
Personally, I think HARD conditions with FAST Greens are a set of conditions that I do not enjoy playing. When combined, the shots simply do not react the way they were intended. Even a flop shot from the fairway won't spin back. If you are lucky it my stop. Pitches don't check up but will always release.
That being said, HARD conditions with MEDIUM Greens or MEDIUM conditions with FAST Greens to me is the perfect balance between challenging and fair, especially when a course is well designed. Going that extra step up makes the whole course feel like you are playing on ice instead of grass.
You got what you wished for folks, scores that closer reflect real PGA, but I would love to see a poll on this from the entire populace. Do you really have more fun in Hard/Fast conditions? or would you rather have Medium/Fast or less and see higher scores?
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