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Post by cseanny on Sept 25, 2020 11:21:02 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone mention one of the most important things here yet!, which is to ensure you're "adding" or "subtracting" distance which will be dependent on the amount of Fade/Draw being used!!
Case in point, if you're using a Fade into a 90degree angle, right to left wind, you always add yardage, and likewise, if you're hitting into a left to right wind, you always subtract yardage (vice versa for Draws); this is in addition to your normal head/tail wind calculations. Keep in mind the amount you +/- is based on your power % in conjunction with the amount of Fade/Draw, and club being used.
Take a 140y shot, hitting a 9i with 101% power, and then using 100% Fadespin into a 7mph right to left wind. In order for the ball to travel 140y you'd need to use a 1.0x multiplier (sidewind), or in other words, hit the ball for 147y. With 105% power it might be a 1.2x multiplier, or a .8x with a 96% overwing. Fades always have a smaller multiplier than Draws, however, as I hinted at above, it's also dependent on the club being used. Fades have a range from .4x (LW) to 1.2x (3i 105%), while Draws have a range from .5x (LW) to 1.8x (3i 105%).
The nature of multipliers and math above, which require double math for head/tail and then +/- for Fadespin/Drawspin is really a pain. Let's say that one more time! Anytime you add Fadespin/Drawspin to a shot, you must add or subtract additional yardage based on whether or not you're hitting into or with the wind.
The solution? Imo, unless you have everything mapped out (and even then it's a pain in the a$$) it's much easier to avoid Fade/Drawspin and only add Angle/backspin in conjunction with hitting deliberate "fasts" or "slows" to achieve desired shape. Sure, you'll need to map out your "slow" distances also, but this way you avoid having to know 100 different sidespin multipliers.
So yeah, I think I'm going to be changing the majority of my shots to no fade/drawspin with "fasts" or "slows".
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Fluid druid
Weekend Golfer
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Post by Fluid druid on Sept 25, 2020 14:11:15 GMT -5
Do people still play using math in this? sends a shudder to even think about going that extreme, i'd never play the game if i had to do that. I guess the top players do it but i don't like this game enough to even contemplate it.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Sept 25, 2020 15:17:14 GMT -5
Do people still play using math in this? sends a shudder to even think about going that extreme, i'd never play the game if i had to do that. I guess the top players do it but i don't like this game enough to even contemplate it. To each his own Doggz. If you just want to play and enjoy a round, I don't think TGCTours is really designed for that but there are many Societies that are. Myself, I want to be at least somewhat competitive and I couldn't be without the aid of some calculations, especially putting. |
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Post by gatorman on Sept 25, 2020 16:42:08 GMT -5
I use the shot shape to try to avoid water off the tee. If water to right, I aim right of center of fairway, and add varying degrees of draw. As long as I don't hit too slow, it seems to help bring the ball into the fairway. If I go too fast I usually roll off the fairway into the rough on left or worse.
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 27, 2020 17:16:01 GMT -5
Do people still play using math in this? sends a shudder to even think about going that extreme, i'd never play the game if i had to do that. I guess the top players do it but i don't like this game enough to even contemplate it. To each his own Doggz. If you just want to play and enjoy a round, I don't think TGCTours is really designed for that but there are many Societies that are. Myself, I want to be at least somewhat competitive and I couldn't be without the aid of some calculations, especially putting. Yeah, you have to use some to an extent, even if you want to just shoot well. I personally don't go to the extent that some people do, but I do have shot charts I've put together that I absolutely wouldn't shoot as well if I didn't use them. Now, steering back to the main subject. I've been using the fade/draws as was mentioned earlier to "soften" up longer irons and even woods. If you have a hole that's maybe 5-6 yards from the front of the green, a high and very (I don't know the right word for it) "deep" fade will help stop that ball when using a 3-4-5 iron. It takes some practice, and wind totally changes this, but when it works, it's really satisfying. And the same holds true for using it against the wind. Many times now I'm trying to shorten long woods that might roll too much into the fairway's end by fading it into the wind. It works well, but again it takes some practice because the way the shot shaping with the wind works now is much different than 2019. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 28, 2020 17:53:44 GMT -5
I have been having some success using draw/fade to keep from going through the fairway on drives on dog-leg holes. Maple Glen seemed to have a bunch of them, and I kept hitting good drives which them went right through the fairway into the rough because of the direction they were rolling. Putting some draw on dog-legs left gets the roll going along the direction of the fairway and not across it. I have also started using it occasionally on approaches to again have ball come in at a favorable direction for the green. I find the "shot shaping" in 2K21 to be more useful than 2019 because of the way the game now aims the player for you. You just put the aim marker where you want the carry to end up and the player aims right or left the correct angle. In 2019 (for me anyway) it was always a guessing game how far left or right to aim to get the ball to land where I wanted it. That’s how I’ve been using it, better landing angles on dog legs and some tucked pins. |
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fup
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Post by fup on Oct 27, 2020 22:52:47 GMT -5
I use fade or draw to counter my lie angle. If the ball is below my feet, I hit a draw. If it's above my feet I hit a fade. Depends on the severity of the slope and everything else, but I've hit some amazing pitches from bad spots. I even do it with my chip shots from time to time as well.
I'm also terrible at the game so, yeah.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Oct 28, 2020 3:50:27 GMT -5
Do people still play using math in this? sends a shudder to even think about going that extreme, i'd never play the game if i had to do that. I guess the top players do it but i don't like this game enough to even contemplate it. I'm a fringe top 10 player and I don't really use math except with uphill and downhill shots. Everything else is estimation, but I understand all the effects of different variables well enough that it's close to math. Sean is obviously a math guy, this is probably why I like fade and draw and he doesn't. To me I don't have to know the exact number or where I am going to land it within a square or two, but I really want to have better control of what the ball does as it lands. This is good enough to hit a lot of shots in the 5-20 foot range for birdie chances, and often really helpful in high very high winds or very firm conditions where landing on a precise spot without good control of the rollout doesn't always get you very predictable results. |
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Oct 28, 2020 3:52:47 GMT -5
I use fade or draw to counter my lie angle. If the ball is below my feet, I hit a draw. If it's above my feet I hit a fade. Depends on the severity of the slope and everything else, but I've hit some amazing pitches from bad spots. I even do it with my chip shots from time to time as well. I'm also terrible at the game so, yeah. This is a pretty good tip. I am more likely to use the draw with the ball below my feet than fade against above my feet but it actually yields pretty good results for me too. |
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mega8deth8
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 107
Tour: Platinum
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Post by mega8deth8 on Oct 28, 2020 6:58:30 GMT -5
Do people still play using math in this? sends a shudder to even think about going that extreme, i'd never play the game if i had to do that. I guess the top players do it but i don't like this game enough to even contemplate it. To each his own Doggz. If you just want to play and enjoy a round, I don't think TGCTours is really designed for that but there are many Societies that are. Myself, I want to be at least somewhat competitive and I couldn't be without the aid of some calculations, especially putting. Yeah I'm very math oriented myself. If I play by feel I can shoot ok, but the calculations really dial you in for a chance at a win. Back on topic. I use fades as I find trying to hit slows are too unpredictable, but I use fast shots instead of draws. I find it's more consistent that way. |
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Oct 30, 2020 16:37:31 GMT -5
Like this, when called for
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