MikeB
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 255
TGCT Name: Mike Branca
Tour: Elite
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Post by MikeB on Aug 24, 2020 18:12:32 GMT -5
I don’t like removing the reticle even a little bit. Everything else is fine. No circle just seems like a change for the sake of change.
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 25, 2020 4:13:01 GMT -5
I don’t like removing the reticle even a little bit. Everything else is fine. No circle just seems like a change for the sake of change. I haven't even used the scout cam yet, but just scout it up, drop back to your main view, have a little elevated look (L2) and then use the wind meter to line up your shot. I may be misunderstanding you. Personally - I'd like a reduced scout cam, or no scout cam on PGA. Also no lie grid for me. Surely we can have a good enough idea of the lie, by now, without it being 100% definite. The yardage book gives you most of what you need nowadays re scout - probably an unpopular opinion. Would be nice if the yardage book gave you a rough idea of slope direction.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 25, 2020 7:23:01 GMT -5
Personally - I'd like a reduced scout cam, or no scout cam on PGA. Also no lie grid for me. Surely we can have a good enough idea of the lie, by now, without it being 100% definite. The yardage book gives you most of what you need nowadays re scout - probably an unpopular opinion. Would be nice if the yardage book gave you a rough idea of slope direction. I would be onboard with your point of view here were it not for one huge oversight by HB - there is zero, zero way to get elevation references on the yardage book. In 19, the overhead hole view would show a couple of elevation points along the waypoint line of the hole. It was rarely exactly where you were hitting - i.e., could just tell "ok this drive is exactly 33ft downhill to the exact spot I'm landing my tee shot" - but it at least allowed for rough estimates/a general point of reference for elevation. Unfortunately, this is not in 2k, and the only way to get elevation is on the aiming marker. I find that disappointing for many reasons, but from your perspective I imagine you'd say something like "we shouldn't be able to tell exactly how far up/down any point on the hole is by moving the marker," and fwiw I agree. That said, I do think we should have some indication of elevation, otherwise some shots just become a blind guess, one which you wouldn't have to make irl imo. So it's kind of a pick your poison, because that yardage book should have been peeerrrffffeeeeccctttt for what I'd always hoped we'd have, but without elevation info its usefulness becomes much more limited. Bottom line, in my opinion, we should be able to somehow see elevation on a hole. I would have been more than happy to just have those couple of vague, sometimes not even on the "playable surfaces" waypoints that were shown in TGC19, but of course HB has removed something that wasn't broken and had a great utility in tgc19 in the design of their new game. There really isn't a good answer to the problem, though, because the only options now are either blindly guessing elevation or seeing likely too much/specific elevation info, which is really an oversight in the design of this basic thing that I can't believe has occurred.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Aug 25, 2020 7:31:32 GMT -5
Personally - I'd like a reduced scout cam, or no scout cam on PGA. Also no lie grid for me. Surely we can have a good enough idea of the lie, by now, without it being 100% definite. The yardage book gives you most of what you need nowadays re scout - probably an unpopular opinion. Would be nice if the yardage book gave you a rough idea of slope direction. I would be onboard with your point of view here were it not for one huge oversight by HB - there is zero, zero way to get elevation references on the yardage book. In 19, the overhead hole view would show a couple of elevation points along the waypoint line of the hole. It was rarely exactly where you were hitting - i.e., could just tell "ok this drive is exactly 33ft downhill to the exact spot I'm landing my tee shot" - but it at least allowed for rough estimates/a general point of reference for elevation. Unfortunately, this is not in 2k, and the only way to get elevation is on the aiming marker. I find that disappointing for many reasons, but from your perspective I imagine you'd say something like "we shouldn't be able to tell exactly how far up/down any point on the hole is by moving the marker," and fwiw I agree. That said, I do think we should have some indication of elevation, otherwise some shots just become a blind guess, one which you wouldn't have to make irl imo. So it's kind of a pick your poison, because that yardage book should have been peeerrrffffeeeeccctttt for what I'd always hoped we'd have, but without elevation info its usefulness becomes much more limited. Bottom line, in my opinion, we should be able to somehow see elevation on a hole. I would have been more than happy to just have those couple of vague, sometimes not even on the "playable surfaces" waypoints that were shown in TGC19, but of course HB has removed something that wasn't broken and had a great utility in tgc19 in the design of their new game. There really isn't a good answer to the problem, though, because the only options now are either blindly guessing elevation or seeing likely too much/specific elevation info, which is really an oversight in the design of this basic thing that I can't believe has occurred. I always thought they could implement a sort of side-on view of the elevation of a hole, and now with the yardage book idea this seems a lot more possible to me. A lot of architects do it to roughly sketch out the elevation as the hole goes on, and it would still give you a general idea of how far up or down it plays. It doesnt tell you exactly how far up or down, but a little dot showing where on the hole you are and a dot showing where the pin is might just give you at least a general idea to the nearest 5 feet what the elevation plays as. I don't expect this ever to get implemented, but I do think it would be pretty sweet A couple of quick examples I found based on the Lido competition past winners:
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 25, 2020 7:36:17 GMT -5
That said, I do think we should have some indication of elevation, otherwise some shots just become a blind guess, one which you wouldn't have to make irl imo. So it's kind of a pick your poison, because that yardage book should have been peeerrrffffeeeeccctttt for what I'd always hoped we'd have, but without elevation info its usefulness becomes much more limited. You can have the elevation info in the HUD on the right hand side, and then have the scout cam turned off?
Agree about the yardage book, it's a great addition but baffling to me they've neglected to put elevation info into it
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 25, 2020 7:38:48 GMT -5
Personally - I'd like a reduced scout cam, or no scout cam on PGA. Also no lie grid for me. Surely we can have a good enough idea of the lie, by now, without it being 100% definite. The yardage book gives you most of what you need nowadays re scout - probably an unpopular opinion. Would be nice if the yardage book gave you a rough idea of slope direction. I would be onboard with your point of view here were it not for one huge oversight by HB - there is zero, zero way to get elevation references on the yardage book. In 19, the overhead hole view would show a couple of elevation points along the waypoint line of the hole. It was rarely exactly where you were hitting - i.e., could just tell "ok this drive is exactly 33ft downhill to the exact spot I'm landing my tee shot" - but it at least allowed for rough estimates/a general point of reference for elevation. Unfortunately, this is not in 2k, and the only way to get elevation is on the aiming marker. I find that disappointing for many reasons, but from your perspective I imagine you'd say something like "we shouldn't be able to tell exactly how far up/down any point on the hole is by moving the marker," and fwiw I agree. That said, I do think we should have some indication of elevation, otherwise some shots just become a blind guess, one which you wouldn't have to make irl imo. So it's kind of a pick your poison, because that yardage book should have been peeerrrffffeeeeccctttt for what I'd always hoped we'd have, but without elevation info its usefulness becomes much more limited. Bottom line, in my opinion, we should be able to somehow see elevation on a hole. I would have been more than happy to just have those couple of vague, sometimes not even on the "playable surfaces" waypoints that were shown in TGC19, but of course HB has removed something that wasn't broken and had a great utility in tgc19 in the design of their new game. There really isn't a good answer to the problem, though, because the only options now are either blindly guessing elevation or seeing likely too much/specific elevation info, which is really an oversight in the design of this basic thing that I can't believe has occurred. Yes, I agree, elevation in the yardage book would have been ideal. A real dropped ball there. Distance and elevation on the marker, for PGA at least, would be a fine alternative for me [edit] or what Jack said. I do feel that we need a little more "estimation" to be thrown in, hence the removal of the lie grid would be what I'd like to see as a minimum. No scout is probably too far for some, but that's how I've played since last Friday, with limited success.Alternatively, it'd be good to be able to use a reduced scout, that doesn't show green grids (not sure if that's a thing - I've yet to play with the reduced scout on offer).
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 25, 2020 8:27:19 GMT -5
Good discussion, appreciate the thoughts. This is a topic I haven't seen discussed much, which I get given the slew of difficulty settings that admin are trying to make decisions on, but do think is important. Re: Jacko elevation in HUD, scout cam off. I don't think turning scout cam off is the way to go IMO, I wouldn't support that, though I do see how it's a different work-around for elevation info without giving everything away - a creative idea, at least, assuming it works in the way I'm imaging you are suggesting. I think the only way we can do it is by having the marker info turned on, but again recognize that such a method really does give too much info to players, just don't see another viable alternative, unfortunately. Hell, maybe we can get enough ps4 users to complain about adding elevation to the yardage book and they'll fix it come this time next week!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 25, 2020 8:36:52 GMT -5
Re: Jacko elevation in HUD, scout cam off. I don't think turning scout cam off is the way to go IMO, I wouldn't support that, though I do see how it's a different work-around for elevation info without giving everything away - a creative idea, at least, assuming it works in the way I'm imaging you are suggesting.
You can have the elevation info either on the marker or in the HUD and independently disable the ability to zoom in AFAIK.
FWIW I wouldn't go that way on the main tours either. Always been of the view that there is TST for those who don't want the aids.
All that said, I'm fairly sure the settings on the top tour will be none my concern once we've all gone through Q School
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 25, 2020 8:43:54 GMT -5
All that said, I'm fairly sure the settings on the top tour will be none my concern once we've all gone through Q School right, I hadn't even thought about that, but I'm more than likely in the same camp, too - especially considering the ps4 scores I saw posted in the other thread!
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MikeB
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 255
TGCT Name: Mike Branca
Tour: Elite
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Post by MikeB on Aug 25, 2020 9:24:46 GMT -5
I don’t like removing the reticle even a little bit. Everything else is fine. No circle just seems like a change for the sake of change. I haven't even used the scout cam yet, but just scout it up, drop back to your main view, have a little elevated look (L2) and then use the wind meter to line up your shot. I may be misunderstanding you. Personally - I'd like a reduced scout cam, or no scout cam on PGA. Also no lie grid for me. Surely we can have a good enough idea of the lie, by now, without it being 100% definite. The yardage book gives you most of what you need nowadays re scout - probably an unpopular opinion. Would be nice if the yardage book gave you a rough idea of slope direction. Funny thing with the lie is in heavy rough and sand you can’t even see it. I could go with no lie grid. I use the aiming circle to measure left to right. Unless you turn green grids off, which won’t happen, there’s no real reason to remove the aiming circle. No circle means now I’m just going to make a ruler on paper and hold it to the screen. That’s silly.
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Post by welpin on Aug 25, 2020 9:41:02 GMT -5
maybe we can get enough ps4 users to complain about adding elevation to the yardage book and they'll fix it come this time next week!
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 25, 2020 10:36:45 GMT -5
maybe we can get enough ps4 users to complain about adding elevation to the yardage book and they'll fix it come this time next week! What an opening contribution! Welcome to the forums!
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Aug 25, 2020 10:53:04 GMT -5
I use the aiming circle to measure left to right. Unless you turn green grids off, which won’t happen, there’s no real reason to remove the aiming circle. No circle means now I’m just going to make a ruler on paper and hold it to the screen. That’s silly.
Really makes that much of a difference for you? Especially with the tempo in this game I just eyeball everything.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Aug 25, 2020 10:55:40 GMT -5
Biggest thing for me is that if we took away scout cam I would need to actually practice a course a few rounds to know where not to hit it and I hate making that kind of time investment. With TST we play so many RCR courses that I already know, it is never much of an issue but PGA tour is always giving me new user designed courses I would have to learn. The L2 camera trick definitely helps though.
I know not wanting to practice a course is a horrible argument in general. Those willing to practice should get some knowledge advantage, but in terms of free hours to spend playing this game I am among the have nots on tour.
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 25, 2020 11:21:18 GMT -5
Biggest thing for me is that if we took away scout cam I would need to actually practice a course a few rounds to know where not to hit it and I hate making that kind of time investment. With TST we play so many RCR courses that I already know, it is never much of an issue but PGA tour is always giving me new user designed courses I would have to learn. The L2 camera trick definitely helps though.
I know not wanting to practice a course is a horrible argument in general. Those willing to practice should get some knowledge advantage, but in terms of free hours to spend playing this game I am among the have nots on tour.
I'll have a fiddle with the different scout options tonight and see how they fit... I just think that, at the very top, we should be adding in an element of estimation. No lie grid, and some sort of reduced scout cam. Maybe no green grids till you're on the putting surface... Maybe it'll be difficult enough without any of that... Maybe I won't make PGA!
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