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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 13:54:06 GMT -5
Unrelated I tried to do putting and some swings on the driving range both without meters and I was pretty happy with myself.
Partial shots are going to be a pain but putting I had 100 putts. 50% over 50' and 50% 20-30 feet. 80-85% of my over 50' putts ended inside 10 feet and 85% of putts between 20-30 feet were 6 feet or less. I can live with that. Made a total of 8.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 22, 2020 13:59:30 GMT -5
Things I have tried is a slower backswing, with a longer follow through. A short backswing, hold and quick swing. It is rough.
I have also found that the longer follow through makes for a better shot. If your downswing is too short, it doesn't seem to matter if it's the correct tempo. Not sure if that's supposed to be how it is, but that's what's what.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 22, 2020 14:03:56 GMT -5
I have spent the last hour or so on the practice range with my driver. I have yet to hit a single 'perfect' and I'm wondering if it is because of my driver's attributes? It is the default one. I upgraded my driver to a much more forgiving one and with that and the follow through we've mentioned, I get perfect's more often. I still hit big "slows" now and then and feel like I have no idea why that happens. It's really frustrating at times.
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Post by vixenvikki on Aug 22, 2020 14:14:19 GMT -5
I am about 20 hours in and get P/P about 50 p/cent of the time on Masters .. I play on a laptop with a standard mouse But I remember the struggles when 2019 came out so within time I am sure it will come
Great game, very addictive,
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Post by cliffs on Aug 22, 2020 14:31:26 GMT -5
This ---- with that said, it sure is realistic , it took 7 rounds in game to beat my real life result on the same day lol
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 22, 2020 15:48:54 GMT -5
I tried something maybe others will find interesting. I created an AutoHotKey script to swing the mouse for me. Exact same swing, each time. I then took that into the game and calibrated it. Would it be perfect?
Yes! And no!
I suspect that possibly even tho I've got vsync on and getting constant 60fps, that maybe there's some frame dropping/stuttering or the like which is causing changes in the swing. If you watch the video I took, you'll see the whole process (I sped up the calibration) and how even tho I can get perfect swings, it still varies wildly, even when my swing does not change. You'll see there are some strange fasts/slows that occur and since I'm using the *exact* same swing each time, it surely must be system related?
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Theopen
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: Brian Ayers
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Post by Theopen on Aug 22, 2020 15:56:53 GMT -5
I'm able to get a perfect tempo a bit more often, but still nowhere near the level of the last game. Brighttail As for how it "feels" - as in, the feeling of the hand movement for the mouse ... it's a bit like hitting a Fast/Perfect or 95% in TGC2019. You don't wait for the character animation to reach the apex of the backswing. If you do, you'll likely hit 101% - and the multiplier for punishment seems to go WAY up at that point. You want to try to hit the ball in the 95-100% range. Regardless, if you're looking for a similar experience to TGC2019, then that seems to be a lot closer to the "Amateur" swing difficulty in 2k21. Even at that setting, a perfect tempo is still rare ... but hitting a Fast feels a lot more like hitting a fast/perfect in '19. It's somewhat manageable. Also, as Bahnzo mentioned, upgrading your clubs does make a noticeable difference (maybe 5-10% more perfects) if you go with clubs with slightly more "forgiveness", like the Bridgestone Tour B JGR clubs.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 22, 2020 17:11:42 GMT -5
Also, as Bahnzo mentioned, upgrading your clubs does make a noticeable difference (maybe 5-10% more perfects) if you go with clubs with slightly more "forgiveness", like the Bridgestone Tour B JGR clubs. I have a feeling all my clubs are going to be "forgiveness clubs" for the near future anyways. I have been able to improve my swing a little with some more calibration and tweaking of settings. For me, it seems if I calibrate with a slower mouse setting (DPI?) and then turn it up slightly afterwards to maker it a little quicker, then I'm getting more consistent swings.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 17:35:34 GMT -5
I tried something maybe others will find interesting. I created an AutoHotKey script to swing the mouse for me. Exact same swing, each time. I then took that into the game and calibrated it. Would it be perfect? Yes! And no! I suspect that possibly even tho I've got vsync on and getting constant 60fps, that maybe there's some frame dropping/stuttering or the like which is causing changes in the swing. If you watch the video I took, you'll see the whole process (I sped up the calibration) and how even tho I can get perfect swings, it still varies wildly, even when my swing does not change. You'll see there are some strange fasts/slows that occur and since I'm using the *exact* same swing each time, it surely must be system related? So a couple things. For testing purposes, this is absolutely GOLD. This is something you need to post over on HB's forums so the developers can see. It will help them. The thread is www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,30167
When you post there include the link for your video.
Now the disclaimer part. Of course you never want to use this in tournament play because the API would catch you in a heart-beat. So say that it is for testing purposes only.
As in past TGC games, it takes a moment for the screen to load up and everything in memory to dump before the framerate stabilizes. This is why I used to always start a swing and let it go, before taking my shot. This ensured that the framerate was stable and everything was loaded. It may be the same thing here. I would suggest doing the same test, except give the screen lets say 10-15 seconds to load up completely before you start the swing and see if you get the same random VS in there.
That being said it is nice to see that a p/p is obtainable. Good job!
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 17:40:04 GMT -5
I'm able to get a perfect tempo a bit more often, but still nowhere near the level of the last game. Brighttail As for how it "feels" - as in, the feeling of the hand movement for the mouse ... it's a bit like hitting a Fast/Perfect or 95% in TGC2019. You don't wait for the character animation to reach the apex of the backswing. If you do, you'll likely hit 101% - and the multiplier for punishment seems to go WAY up at that point. You want to try to hit the ball in the 95-100% range. Regardless, if you're looking for a similar experience to TGC2019, then that seems to be a lot closer to the "Amateur" swing difficulty in 2k21. Even at that setting, a perfect tempo is still rare ... but hitting a Fast feels a lot more like hitting a fast/perfect in '19. It's somewhat manageable. Also, as Bahnzo mentioned, upgrading your clubs does make a noticeable difference (maybe 5-10% more perfects) if you go with clubs with slightly more "forgiveness", like the Bridgestone Tour B JGR clubs. I agree with you that the whole points of upgrading clubs is to get a little advantage over your competition and i'm good with that. I'll have to crank out some PGA tours and up the EXP and money to get several different club types and sponsored club sets so I can play around with them all.
To be fair, I haven't played the game on a "wired" mouse yet because I'm at work all weekend, 4 days for 48 hours. On Monday/Tuesday I'll get my mouse set up in wired mode to ensure no latency and give it a go.
I turned off the power meters for all shots and actually did very well. Watching the animation is a lot better for me than watching the meter. I was very surprised at how well I did with putting.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 18:13:00 GMT -5
Also all you mouse users, if you could join the TGC society. I'm thinking it is the PGA2k20 society. Then play the exhibition events. This is useful to the admin here to get some data for our admins from Mouse users.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 18:19:34 GMT -5
Just went back and rewatched that video of yours. If the input is the exact same, then the exact spot of perfect should be the same each time. The fact that it isn't leads me to believe that there is some randomness that is put in or there is something like latency, input lag, dropped frames ect. It would be interesting if you had a frame counter on the screen to see what the numbers are. I cap my framerate at 60, no higher, no lower to ensure there is no dropped frames.
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Post by sticl on Aug 22, 2020 18:31:20 GMT -5
Checking back in on day two. I increased my swing difficulty from Pro to Master, in order to start practicing the right settings for TGC. Today seems to be a lot better; I'm still not P/P as in 2019, but I'm getting a fair amount more perfects today. Maybe 30% of my shots? I have made a conscious effort to try to stay under the 101% overswing. But it also feels like maybe something got hotfixed? I have been using Callaway Mavrik for Driver, 3W, 3H, 4H. The Wilson D7 irons and Callaway JAWS MD5 wedges. (Main problem with this is the massive gap from 9i to PW (140-116) Putting is still a little rough, particularly very short putts inside 2 feet. Edit: Also all you mouse users, if you could join the TGC society. I'm thinking it is the PGA2k20 society. Then play the exhibition events. This is useful to the admin here to get some data for our admins from Mouse users. Do you mean Doyley's society or the official PGA 2K21 society?
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Post by cliffs on Aug 22, 2020 18:45:14 GMT -5
I want all of you mousers to try this - Start your backswing and stop moving your mouse. When your avatar reaches the point you want to downswing, push your mouse forward a little bit, NOT over an inch really. I have had as many as 7 perfects in a row.....anything over an inch or so was never a perfect.
BUT BUT BUT as Brian said above and I quote - I'm able to get a perfect tempo a bit more often, but still nowhere near the level of the last game. Brighttail As for how it "feels" - as in, the feeling of the hand movement for the mouse ... it's a bit like hitting a Fast/Perfect or 95% in TGC2019. You don't wait for the character animation to reach the apex of the backswing. If you do, you'll likely hit 101% - and the multiplier for punishment seems to go WAY up at that point. You want to try to hit the ball in the 95-100% range.
His telling us that (emboldened words) lets me know why I was getting the slows and fasts even though I was using the same stroke. If it goes into overswing, all bets are off. I am actually beginning to not like the overswing that a lot of people were asking for. I realize now that all my perfects were between 92 - 100%. When you hit it dead on, the colors are not red but a nice white.
Also, you get a lot more straight lines in the cone by using a shorter swing.
For now (more testing to come) I will call this short stroking with no over swing results in more perfects.
FTR and FYI - I was banned from HB forums and cannot add anything to any threads over there to help out the devs. I have asked to be reinstated but it falls on deaf ears. If you want to use my posts to help out, go for it as I want everyone to be able to have fun.
This reminds me of the beta testing where we had a great thread on mouse use going.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 22, 2020 19:09:09 GMT -5
Also all you mouse users, if you could join the TGC society. I'm thinking it is the PGA2k20 society. Then play the exhibition events. This is useful to the admin here to get some data for our admins from Mouse users. Do you mean Doyley's society or the official PGA 2K21 society? I was wondering this also. I see Doyley's but I don't see any TGC Tour societies anywhere.
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