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Post by YouStayClassySanDiego on Sept 25, 2020 13:03:16 GMT -5
So, this is probably most pertinent to mouse users since we don't have haptic feedback and as such, I'll post it here. I updated my putting chart with: - Distance Calculator (Plays As Distance)
- True Shot Data (This is specific to my golf bag, but you could save a copy and do the same thing for your own bag)
- Chipping Data (Carry and roll out for my wedges up to 8i - wedges should be pretty consistent on these distances across club brands and models)
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Post by cseanny on Sept 25, 2020 13:12:17 GMT -5
So, this is probably most pertinent to mouse users since we don't have haptic feedback and as such, I'll post it here. I updated my putting chart with: - Distance Calculator (Plays As Distance)
- True Shot Data (This is specific to my golf bag, but you could save a copy and do the same thing for your own bag)
- Chipping Data (Carry and roll out for my wedges up to 8i - wedges should be pretty consistent on these distances across club brands and models)
This is fantastic content man! Truly amazing. When I played WGT there was a huge % of top players using and sharing items just like this. In TGCTs I know a lot of guys fall into the "purest" camp and won't appreciate what you've accomplished here, but I wanted to take the time to say that everything you've done is truly top notch.
Thanks for the hard work! I hope you keep it up! Cheers
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Post by chilihotkey on Sept 25, 2020 13:20:06 GMT -5
thank you! Fits really well with yardages i had in my head (surprisingly enough) for chipping and full shot lofting/delofting. pitching im avoiding like the plague so havent looked into that at all yet and was about to start charting flops so you saved me the trouble
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 25, 2020 13:29:27 GMT -5
Appreciate the effort, you did a lot of hard work here. I'm trying to not use it as a bible but more of a guideline. My putting stroke seems to be take it back slower and have a firmer impact. It is working for me, tho I had 9 holes where the putter head was coming back WAY too fast in my backswing and I hit 3 birdie putts past the hole by 20 feet and bogied them. Still back nine had me at -8 so I salvaged the final round.
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Post by YouStayClassySanDiego on Sept 25, 2020 13:54:45 GMT -5
Thanks guys, appreciate the kind feedback.
I would say these are best as guidelines, not as a bible for sure. On my shot calculator, I'm still working to figure out a good way to account for wind. It sure seems like you get more harm from headwinds than help from tailwinds, but actually quantifying it in a way that makes sense isn't easy. It also seems to vary by club (As it should IRL), in that a higher ball flight will feel more impact for the wind. I'll probably eventually come up with a formula to take that into account, but it's not a top priority.
When it comes to pitch shots, I'm coming around to them. I'm now pretty consistently able to get a little fast and if you do that, it's easy to aim and account for. The only thing that kills you is a slightly slow pitch. Those go nowhere at all.
On putting, I'm similar to you Brighttail - but maybe more so. I pull the mouse back only a tiny bit and hold position once the putter starts moving, I stop moving the mouse and wait for my animation to get to the right point to jam the mouse forwards. Rounds 1-3 of Whiskey, I only had two three putts. (Granted, I had three in the final round, but still) You can really see it in action at about 1:40 of my Evangelist practice round video:
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Post by chilihotkey on Sept 25, 2020 16:15:10 GMT -5
Appreciate the effort, you did a lot of hard work here. I'm trying to not use it as a bible but more of a guideline. My putting stroke seems to be take it back slower and have a firmer impact. It is working for me, tho I had 9 holes where the putter head was coming back WAY too fast in my backswing and I hit 3 birdie putts past the hole by 20 feet and bogied them. Still back nine had me at -8 so I salvaged the final round. yea that has been my issue on the greens aswell (one of them atleast) the bug where you get less percentage right as you hit have been rare lately or i just dont notice it as much now without meter (as i often leave it short anyways)
but i very frequently(often 1-3 times per round) have this where the putter head suddenly accelerates just before(or what actually feels like after) you begin the forward stroke, resulting in 10-15% extra. seems to happen more with the slow backstroke?
with the pitch shots i tend to have 50% red slows(or maybe 25% if i try to hit fast), kinda makes it unplayable Besides i only have about a 10-15 yard gap where i need it, roughly 60-72y. a combination of splash,flop and deloft can take care of the rest good enough for me so far, its not ideal but nither is my swing
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 26, 2020 10:01:53 GMT -5
Hey Bahnzo, I may have figured out your issue. Typically when I have only a GPU that has G-sync but the monitor doesn't, I play with V-sync on. That is kinda the way it is supposed to work, if you can't use g-sync with monitor and GPU, V-sync should be on. Well I noticed mine was off. I turned on the Frame per second counter and saw what I expected, my frames jumping all over the place. So I went back and turned V-sync on to lock at 60fps. I went back into training and calibrated. It was at this time, I saw that all my fasts/slows were hitting the same exact spots, I couldn't hit a perfect. I tried this for 20 minutes and I was hitting the same spots. But my FPS were locked at 60. I went back into the graphics and turned OFF V-sync. Suddenly I'm back to normal. Shots all over the place but I'm hitting many more perfects and my slow/fasts are in different areas. I should note this was done on my work computer which doesn't have a g-sync compatible monitor. At home, I have a GPU/monitor that both support g-sync and I play with v-sync off there as well, and my FPS is locked at 60 AND i have no issues with the tempo.
This may be the cause of some of the mouse issues for other players as well. My suggestion is you try going to the driving range and calibrating your swing both with v-sync on and off and see what gives you the better results. When I say better, make sure that the tempo line isn't hitting the exact same spot on all your shots. This could cause an issue with the API. I notified HB and the admin about this discovery. More testing is required.
Bottom line, if you have v-sync turned on, Bahnzo, try turning it off. It is completely counter-intuitive what we normally have learned from past TGC games but it seems to work. Turning it off allows a more spread out final ending point.
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 27, 2020 15:02:18 GMT -5
Ya know, I think that might be it. I've just done some very preliminary testing on the driving range right now, but it does seem that having v-sync on is why. After I turned it off and recalibrated, my shots seem to be much more varied. Not gonna call it a definite yes, but right now it does seem to be the reason.
Thanks!
But also...wtf? I mean, having vsync on is a pretty common thing, how did they not see this? I hope HB/Craig sees this and doesn't just dismiss it as he does me because I made one video he thinks disparages them.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 27, 2020 16:09:31 GMT -5
I posted it there. It goes against every convention TGC and pretty much every game has in the past 10 years. My guess is that the tempo is tied directly some how to the FPS. If it is locked artificially by v-sync, then the zones get locked to only a few possibilities.
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 27, 2020 17:00:57 GMT -5
Yeah. that's just weird. Anyways, I'm %100 sure that's the issue. I played a few rounds and swings are normal now. Too bad I missed the first rounds of the qual tourny, because my swing's pretty good now that it's not being f-ed by the game.
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Post by chilihotkey on Sept 27, 2020 18:36:14 GMT -5
my guess its just a visual bug, otherwise we would have had a mass exodus from the leaderboards as i suspect probably 75% of players play with v-sync on. (have noticed it myself too, but there is usually more spread playing in the societies, on the range its very noticeable tho.)
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 27, 2020 19:00:25 GMT -5
my guess its just a visual bug, otherwise we would have had a mass exodus from the leaderboards as i suspect probably 75% of players play with v-sync on. (have noticed it myself too, but there is usually more spread playing in the societies, on the range its very noticeable tho.) Except it's not. 100% not. I got the tempo numbers from a round I played here, and they were quite clearly the same. Down to 1 thousands of a second. That's not a visual bug.
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Post by up mup kupen nup on Oct 2, 2020 14:14:12 GMT -5
Seems like we have gotten some major improvements with this patch. Especially the short game has become slightly easier. What are your views? I have played only two quick rounds since the release of the patch, but I achieved some perfect pitches. Didn’t know they exist by now.
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Post by Brighttail on Oct 2, 2020 14:21:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen any differences to be honest. I haven't seen a decelerate putt for a while but that seemed to stop a while ago.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Oct 2, 2020 15:53:51 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the shoutbox and on the forums, now the spacebar doesn't give you the follow cam after you hit the ball, it only fast forwards. I wish they had not done that.
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