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Post by donkeypuncherben on Aug 16, 2020 15:59:03 GMT -5
Grind all year and through the playoffs to be in the top 30 and get rewarded with 4 rounds on this turd. The most interesting decision I had over 4 rounds was at the end of round 2 deciding whether to pound a few shots and speed golf through or stop playing and find motivation later in the week to finish my rounds. I took the shots and it showed.
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Post by hippystein on Aug 16, 2020 16:47:21 GMT -5
Course is dog turd mate.163 greens too. Got a perfectly good east lake and we have to play on this to finish tgc2019. The mind boggles it really does. I had 4 putts inside 4ft that showed left lip and i hit them and they broke opposite way. I hope to god they up their game with the new game cos the scheduling this year has been questionable at best. 5 days to go. I cant wait game looks real good and gonna be interesting to see what level we can all play at. Hopefully no flick swing Hopefully no random squirt shots. Ive got everything crossed that it plays great. No more random slows or v.slow at the bottom which has hampered me for months. The proof will be in the pudding
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Post by OldSouled on Aug 16, 2020 20:59:20 GMT -5
You guys are scaring me
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Post by Mr_brettly on Aug 16, 2020 21:23:42 GMT -5
Course is dog turd mate.163 greens too. Got a perfectly good east lake and we have to play on this to finish tgc2019. The mind boggles it really does. I had 4 putts inside 4ft that showed left lip and i hit them and they broke opposite way. I hope to god they up their game with the new game cos the scheduling this year has been questionable at best. 5 days to go. I cant wait game looks real good and gonna be interesting to see what level we can all play at. Hopefully no flick swing Hopefully no random squirt shots. Ive got everything crossed that it plays great. No more random slows or v.slow at the bottom which has hampered me for months. The proof will be in the pudding I would love to see like 80/20 of real/fictional courses on the new schedule depending on the difficulty and how the new game plays
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Post by catcherman22 on Aug 16, 2020 23:07:34 GMT -5
Course is dog turd mate.163 greens too. Got a perfectly good east lake and we have to play on this to finish tgc2019. The mind boggles it really does. I had 4 putts inside 4ft that showed left lip and i hit them and they broke opposite way. I hope to god they up their game with the new game cos the scheduling this year has been questionable at best. 5 days to go. I cant wait game looks real good and gonna be interesting to see what level we can all play at. Hopefully no flick swing Hopefully no random squirt shots. Ive got everything crossed that it plays great. No more random slows or v.slow at the bottom which has hampered me for months. The proof will be in the pudding I would love to see like 80/20 of real/fictional courses on the new schedule depending on the difficulty and how the new game plays That's roughly what it is... this was the last of Tyler's scheduled courses.... I just saved it to the end
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Post by theduke21 on Aug 17, 2020 0:15:25 GMT -5
I would love to see like 80/20 of real/fictional courses on the new schedule depending on the difficulty and how the new game plays That's roughly what it is... this was the last of Tyler's scheduled courses.... I just saved it to the end I absolutely did not schedule this course to be played at the Tour Championship. Anytime we have an RCR that is extremely well done and an interesting enough play to host the tournament it hosts in real life, I think it should be scheduled. And East Lake undoubtedly falls into that territory. Especially since it's synonymous with the event it hosts, I believe we should always use it for the Tour Championship like we would with the Masters, the Players and even the Tournament of Champions and some others. With that being said, I told Robin back in February or March that I liked his course for potentially the BMW or Northern Trust as Dale had marked it as a course he was going to use and it fit the late Summer styled playoff courses on the PGA Tour. I would have likely used it for one of those. Not sure if this version had any changes but it was a great, difficult track when I played it then. The greens did not play well on 163 green speeds, which is why many people have said for a while to not mess with green speeds unless there's a good reason to do so or the designer said to. Not sure why you essentially just planned to throw me under the bus with this if people end up hating it and made a statement acting as if you saved a course for the end that I scheduled and you didn't necessarily like for the Tour Championship and final tournament on this game lol.
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Post by catcherman22 on Aug 17, 2020 1:49:09 GMT -5
That's roughly what it is... this was the last of Tyler's scheduled courses.... I just saved it to the end I absolutely did not schedule this course to be played at the Tour Championship. Anytime we have an RCR that is extremely well done and an interesting enough play to host the tournament it hosts in real life, I think it should be scheduled. And East Lake undoubtedly falls into that territory. Especially since it's synonymous with the event it hosts, I believe we should always use it for the Tour Championship like we would with the Masters, the Players and even the Tournament of Champions and some others. With that being said, I told Robin back in February or March that I liked his course for potentially the BMW or Northern Trust as Dale had marked it as a course he was going to use and it fit the late Summer styled playoff courses on the PGA Tour. I would have likely used it for one of those. Not sure if this version had any changes but it was a great, difficult track when I played it then. The greens did not play well on 163 green speeds, which is why many people have said for a while to not mess with green speeds unless there's a good reason to do so or the designer said to. Not sure why you essentially just planned to throw me under the bus with this if people end up hating it and made a statement acting as if you saved a course for the end that I scheduled and you didn't necessarily like for the Tour Championship and final tournament on this game lol. Please read what I said... I saved it to the end... I never said you scheduled this to be the tour championship. I also didn't say you set the conditions... I also didn't set the conditions.. everything was given by the designer. 100% agree on using the rcr of the tournament course for the most part. I decided, and was ok'ed by Doyley, to use fictional courses in the final few events in an effort to get more designer courses on tour before the new game. People who know my scheduling, know I try and give as many people a chance at a tour event as I can. I choose the final few courses and knew this was still sitting in the wings to be used. It just happened to be the final event. There was no throwing you under the bus here... and I could care less whether people hate it or not. Not sure who is taking the reigns for pga scheduling next season.. Doyley said he had somebody in mind. Hopefully they come with some thick skin.. this group is toughest to schedule for unless you just go for a good tournament experience and not try and please everybody. No matter what you do, somebody is pissed and the scheduler takes the brunt of it.
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Post by Dave on Aug 17, 2020 2:24:30 GMT -5
Grind all year and through the playoffs to be in the top 30 and get rewarded with 4 rounds on this turd. The most interesting decision I had over 4 rounds was at the end of round 2 deciding whether to pound a few shots and speed golf through or stop playing and find motivation later in the week to finish my rounds. I took the shots and it showed. Had an inkling this thread would have a good deal of course bashing, so I'll leave you guys to do it for me😂
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Post by rcknfrewld on Aug 17, 2020 5:12:42 GMT -5
I played this course a lot awhile ago on VF conditions and 187 greens. It was a REAL struggle to get to -8 or so. I’m guessing the designer was scared to go with tough conditions because you crybabies always cry about a course being too tough. So he probly gave in so to speak with benign conditions. The course is awesome. Simplistically beautifully designed. No frills or nonsense. And very realistically challenging without being tricked up like you guys always complain about. On proper conditions though. I kind of see the point about East Lake but I’ve seen that course enough. And it would have been setup way too easily anyways for fear of the usual tantrum throwers.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Aug 17, 2020 5:27:47 GMT -5
And I’d love to be the PGA scheduler but Doyley probably thinks I’m too crazy to be trusted. I would not give in one inch to you guys. I wouldn’t respond at all in here. I would maybe give a few course preview thoughts and essentially hang up on you guys the rest of the week. The PGA is the most difficult tour to get into. It should be treated and scheduled as such. The top 150 players or so out of the thousands that play in PGA should be CHALLENGED.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 17, 2020 5:42:49 GMT -5
Now we have the guys who ok'd the course for the PGA to be played fighting about it on here. I think I have seen it all now
In before the lock
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 17, 2020 5:57:47 GMT -5
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Post by rcknfrewld on Aug 17, 2020 6:02:30 GMT -5
And there would be no need for any PGA rangers. They pretty much just complain too and aren’t qualified quite frankly to speak on things concerning PGA. A dictator is what’s needed to be the PGA scheduler. I would have a right hand man to bounce ideas and suggestions off of. But that’s it. No nonsense. No drama. I am the scheduler PGA needs; not the one they des...Actually you deserve me too.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Aug 17, 2020 6:54:08 GMT -5
...these are the conditions you will encounter at some point...” Gtf outta here with that. You cannot predict the weather. Mother Nature has a mind of it’s own and I will setup courses accordingly. And lie grid...Please. I would take scheduling very seriously. I’d get so immersed in scheduling that my game would most likely suffer. I’d think about it all day. I have an obsessive personality. I’d probably actually go crazy after a season but it would be worth it. I rest my case.
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Post by stoneysooner on Aug 17, 2020 7:39:53 GMT -5
Oh how I know better than to respond on this...but I have run out of popcorn.
I talked about this course with Dale in February, and then Tyler when he took over, and again with Dan when he so graciously picked up the duties. It has been used in multiple Society events since then. You guys wouldn't have been any kinder had it been played the week before, so that is a non-starter. Plus, your stuck with the "turd" as it can't be re-scheduled.
I've put well into 150 hours shaping this "turd" into a PGA caliber course. The great thing about "turds" is they are actually great fertilizer for better grass in the future. I've recently received some pretty harsh feedback from this community on a course for a design competition, and now on this effort that have soured my thoughts a bit so I am going to look at it like this. I'm sure at least a hand full of people will enjoy their week (5 of 30). That puts me at roughly .167. To use the baseball analogy, I'm batting 9th in a rough start to the season, but I'm still in the majors.
I can't help that DPB was bored, and I really don't know what to make of Hippy's comments as I can't hit putts for him or help him with tempo. I would welcome more constructive criticism from anyone that could provide it. The 163's were used in Round #1 because the Rangers found a fleck of yellow in the 9-box behind the hole on #12 at the 179 default speed (one of the most ridiculous rules for rangering on the PGA Tour). I don't think that the VOLUNTEER scheduling has been bad in any way this season (I played every event) and I commend them and thank them for their efforts.
With that, bash the course all you want. The hardest thing to do in this community is to make the group on the TGCT PGA Tour happy. Be aware of scores that are too low, lidar courses that take too long to load, no yellow in the 9-box, no 144 green speeds, no very-high winds, no more than one round with very firms, and an endless list of other complaints. Good luck to the future scheduler, sounds like James has his name in the hat.
In all seriousness, thank you to all the volunteers and TGC Tours. These games have been worth every cent and hour that I have put into them because of you.
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