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Post by mvpmanatee on Aug 5, 2020 7:59:12 GMT -5
fransslabak I get where you're coming from, and NO DOUBT, the timing is ripe. Having said that, if he's having problems with the PGA API, then where else is he supposed to play? Everyone else in Euro/KF who would fail in PGA are still allowed to play, yes? Being impartial isn't always an enjoyable experience but the only thing we, or any other player can do is play by the rules set by this site. I think we are just all a little flustered as he is obviously the most skilled player on the Euro tour at the moment being ranked inside the top 50, and he didn't fail the API in the last few weeks, he simply quit in round 1 so that he didn't have to hope to pass the API. Plus he is #2 on the Euro money list so it is tough for any of us who are here grinding hard just to try to make it through the playoffs to see that it's fair. I do agree with you though, we are put in an awkward scenario if he fails the PGA API but not the Euro API, but I would like to think I would rather try to change my swing to fit the "fair play metric" on the tour that I should be playing on, rather than purposely demoting myself just because my wonky swing that is deemed unfair on one level can win on another level. Oh well though I am just over here hoping my -16 makes it to the weekend and I can grind out another week on tour!
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Post by cseanny on Aug 5, 2020 8:08:00 GMT -5
Imo the problem is the current lay out of the rules. This is gonna sound a bit redundant but it will hopefully make its point nonetheless. What happens to a Euro/KF players who would fail PGA? They continue to play!
What happens to a Euro player who earns a promotion to PGA and then no matter how hard they try, they continually fail the API. What happens to them? I believe on fail #8 they are Banned for the remainder of the season. So if that same player was in Euro they'd still be playing, however if they remained in PGA they would disqualify themselves from playing on TGCTs for the rest of the season.
There's nothing fair about that. It's pretty discouraging actually. So imo, a player who deliberately WDs from multiple tournaments is in No Way Sandbagging; they are simply PRESERVING their ability to continue playing on the tours. It's not a pretty sight to behold but those are the rules everyone is bound by.
edit: Congrats on your -16 and hopefully making the cut!!
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Post by fransslabak on Aug 5, 2020 9:04:04 GMT -5
the only thing we, or any other player can do is play by the rules set by this site. I could not disagree more. Purposely demoting yourself is not breaking the rules but it is still wrong, IMO. Refusing to change your swing; same thing.
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Post by Doyley on Aug 5, 2020 9:53:27 GMT -5
Kevin Becker is back in the PGA - as you were!
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Post by mvpmanatee on Aug 5, 2020 10:02:27 GMT -5
Kevin Becker is back in the PGA - as you were! Doyley to the rescue!!
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Post by blackjackernie12 on Aug 5, 2020 11:05:07 GMT -5
Back in pga where I literally am unable to play. Played the wgc event knowing it was a no cut event and would get ranking points even if I finished last so I figured I’d give it a go. I tried my absolute best to hit everything straight and still failed api. I finished dead last btw. I just can’t adjust to the new metrics. Sorry I tried. And to address me withdrawing on purpose that is simply not true. It might look like that but it’s simply me trying to give the straight swing a go and getting pissed off after a few holes knowing I have zero chance to make the cut and borderline if I’m even gonna pass the api. Didn’t even realize I did that a total of 5 times. I had pretty much given up on playing on Tgc after the wgc event. Saw the email that I was demoted to euro the other day and was surprised and though what the hell I’ll give it a run. Didn’t know it would offend so many people so I apologize for that. If you’re going to make the rule on pga, make it on all tours and see how many people you still have left on this site. I already know few guys personally who make it all the way to pga only to realize their swing is illegal up there and can’t play. Hopefully the new game will change that. Good luck to all this week
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Post by knothead85 on Aug 5, 2020 11:12:05 GMT -5
It is a really tough situation. I know two different people who were promoted to the PGA from Euro and promptly failed API. One quit and one fixed his swing. I personally struggle with a consistent swing line and question how I'd do if I get up there. Should the game be punishing me more for an inconsistent swing, that seems to be the case.
With that being said, we are all grinding away on this tour. I've had 3, maybe 4 top ten finishes this whole year. Becker can seemingly miss his mark with such consistency that his accuracy produces constant top 3 finishes at will. If you have that level of consistency and accuracy on your swing, it seems to me he could work on straightening it. I get it, he is in between a rock and a hard place, but I think dropping down to Euro for the last 3 weeks to dominate the playoffs isn't really fair to the rest of us, Doyley made the right call.
Anyways, in the end it all hopefully won't matter in a few weeks...more than anything I hope that so the admins here can have one less headache(that will of course get replaced with some new issue that will inevitably arise)
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Post by blackjackernie12 on Aug 5, 2020 11:19:26 GMT -5
It is a really tough situation. I know two different people who were promoted to the PGA from Euro and promptly failed API. One quit and one fixed his swing. I personally struggle with a consistent swing line and question how I'd do if I get up there. Should the game be punishing me more for an inconsistent swing, that seems to be the case. With that being said, we are all grinding away on this tour. I've had 3, maybe 4 top ten finishes this whole year. Becker can seemingly miss his mark with such consistency that his accuracy produces constant top 3 finishes at will. If you have that level of consistency and accuracy on your swing, it seems to me he could work on straightening it. I get it, he is in between a rock and a hard place, but I think dropping down to Euro for the last 3 weeks to dominate the playoffs isn't really fair to the rest of us, Doyley made the right call. Anyways, in the end it all hopefully won't matter in a few weeks...more than anything I hope that so the admins here can have one less headache(that will of course get replaced with some new issue that will inevitably arise) yeah I agree with the decision as many people were upset about. Just frustrating for me. Just gonna wait until 2k21 I guess.
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 5, 2020 11:30:51 GMT -5
If you came back to euro and tried to swing it straight, props to you, but you know fine well that’s not the case, so in the knowledge you have a swing that’s an advantage, you’re using it.
Same to anyone else... I genuinely feel for those that can’t pass the api - but - those that revert to type instead of trying to improve... come on guys.
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Post by blackjackernie12 on Aug 5, 2020 12:48:15 GMT -5
If you came back to euro and tried to swing it straight, props to you, but you know fine well that’s not the case, so in the knowledge you have a swing that’s an advantage, you’re using it. Same to anyone else... I genuinely feel for those that can’t pass the api - but - those that revert to type instead of trying to improve... come on guys. if It’s really that big of an advantage then make it a rule on all tours. Atleast all the pro tours. I personally don’t think it’s an advantage but that is my opinion. You still have to repeat your swing if you wanna be one of the top guys in this game. Play with a lot of guys on the tours and not one guy thinks the way I play is an advantage. Plenty of people are unable to hit it inside the cone and can’t even get on the pro tours so how big of an advantage is it really? Seems like it’s just a group of guys here on the forums who aren’t good enough to compete regardless.
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Post by OldSouled on Aug 5, 2020 12:52:51 GMT -5
-22 after 2. Awesome course.
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Post by knothead85 on Aug 5, 2020 14:02:50 GMT -5
Back to the golf, absolutely butchered my first two rounds. Even par after 2. As poorly as I played, gotta say this was one of my favorite courses we've had in a while, loved everything about it. Thankfully I'll be able to advance based on money list but what a poor start....had a really good streak of made cuts going before this epic meltdown so Im hoping to bounce back before next week. up mup kupen nup I'm just gonna go ahead and bow out this week. Id certainly finish last and Im going to be away from my PS4 through Sunday so just count me as a DNF.
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 5, 2020 15:56:27 GMT -5
If you came back to euro and tried to swing it straight, props to you, but you know fine well that’s not the case, so in the knowledge you have a swing that’s an advantage, you’re using it. Same to anyone else... I genuinely feel for those that can’t pass the api - but - those that revert to type instead of trying to improve... come on guys. if It’s really that big of an advantage then make it a rule on all tours. Atleast all the pro tours. I personally don’t think it’s an advantage but that is my opinion. You still have to repeat your swing if you wanna be one of the top guys in this game. Play with a lot of guys on the tours and not one guy thinks the way I play is an advantage. Plenty of people are unable to hit it inside the cone and can’t even get on the pro tours so how big of an advantage is it really? Seems like it’s just a group of guys here on the forums who aren’t good enough to compete regardless. If you don’t understand the advantage, after it’s been explained on the forums multiple times, you either can’t have been bothered to take notice, or well, something else. If you don’t understand why it can’t be implemented on all tours, after it’s been explained on the forums multiple times, you either can’t have been bothered to take notice, or well, something else. Let’s just hope it’s fixed in the next game.
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Post by blackjackernie12 on Aug 5, 2020 16:32:22 GMT -5
if It’s really that big of an advantage then make it a rule on all tours. Atleast all the pro tours. I personally don’t think it’s an advantage but that is my opinion. You still have to repeat your swing if you wanna be one of the top guys in this game. Play with a lot of guys on the tours and not one guy thinks the way I play is an advantage. Plenty of people are unable to hit it inside the cone and can’t even get on the pro tours so how big of an advantage is it really? Seems like it’s just a group of guys here on the forums who aren’t good enough to compete regardless. If you don’t understand the advantage, after it’s been explained on the forums multiple times, you either can’t have been bothered to take notice, or well, something else. If you don’t understand why it can’t be implemented on all tours, after it’s been explained on the forums multiple times, you either can’t have been bothered to take notice, or well, something else. Let’s just hope it’s fixed in the next game. I play a pull. As do many people on this tour and you play against them week in week out but I get singled out because of my wgr? I’ve read the posts about pulling being an advantage. Still have to have a repeatable swing with good tempo. You miss your spots you still will be penalized.
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 5, 2020 17:17:49 GMT -5
If you don’t understand the advantage, after it’s been explained on the forums multiple times, you either can’t have been bothered to take notice, or well, something else. If you don’t understand why it can’t be implemented on all tours, after it’s been explained on the forums multiple times, you either can’t have been bothered to take notice, or well, something else. Let’s just hope it’s fixed in the next game. I play a pull. As do many people on this tour and you play against them week in week out but I get singled out because of my wgr? I’ve read the posts about pulling being an advantage. Still have to have a repeatable swing with good tempo. You miss your spots you still will be penalized. You understand the advantage then? Especially with lofting? Your misses are not as penal as those that are playing the game as intended, and lofting only widens the advantage. You must be able to see that? You don’t get singled out because of your WGR... you’re singled out as you’re seemingly unwilling to try to change. Are you telling me you simply cannot adjust your swing to attempt to be straight? You can not manipulate the accuracy of the movement of your fingers as such? Try playing straight. Hopefully the practice will do you good for the next game. It would be easier for loads of people to play a pull... but they don’t, as the swing is broken and they understand that. Sorry Euro guys, and admin. That’s the last I’ll say on it.
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