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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 24, 2020 18:56:51 GMT -5
Hi Guys, some of you designers found a starting measure for the heavy rough such to avoid constantly to have wavy borders on fairways on other surfaces near to it? It randomically afflicts some of the surfaces i create and some of these are really huge..this thing is incredibly frustrating and i really wish to avoid to remove it manually everytime. Someone found a way to kill definitely this plague? And..i'm correct assuming that the red poles indicates ALWAYS a lateral water hazard? Of they could indicate also something else?
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jun 24, 2020 19:51:40 GMT -5
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jun 24, 2020 20:44:43 GMT -5
Yes Ezzino, red stakes are always used to define a lateral hazard. Too bad we don’t have them in this game😩!
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jun 24, 2020 21:02:45 GMT -5
Yes Ezzino, red stakes are always used to define a lateral hazard. Too bad we don’t have them in this game😩! There are red stakes.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 24, 2020 21:21:19 GMT -5
hallzballz6908 15eicheltower9 Thank you guys..you're always incredibly nice and helpful Now i really should to try to sleep a bit, but tomorrow for first i'll check the solution for the rough issue. About the red stakes, i asked because probably i casually found the answer (at least a partial answer) to a doubt i have by the first day i work on Nine Bridges and that was consuming me. If you check the satellite map, you can see that on hole 9 there is a pond between tees and fairway (actually i don't think it can ever be in play, but this is not the point). This pond is created by a little creek with a small waterfall, but despite i searched in any possible way for days, is simply impossible to understand exactly where this waterfall/little creek starts..and what his trajectory can be, because trees covers everything, if you look from above..and there are not pics or videos useful to have an answer. To be honest, i was already sure i could never find this answer. Then, yesterday, checking the new pics i picked from some great long video footages made by a pair Korean golfers, i noticed that on the left border of Hole 1 (that runs parallel to hole 9, just in the opposite direction as it happens quite often), normally invisible cause it covered by a deep line of trees that separate the two holes and various bushes too, there is this red stake!! It means that the creek take that direction!! And i'm happy as a little child (I'm almost done with the slopes and basic planting on hole 1. I hope to post something about tomorrow..it has been a work simply crazy, cause this hole features some elevation change and (mainly!) slopes absolutely absurd But next holes will be way easier )
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jun 24, 2020 22:01:20 GMT -5
Yes Ezzino, red stakes are always used to define a lateral hazard. Too bad we don’t have them in this game😩! There are red stakes. Yeah I meant that we have the stakes just nothing to mark with them!
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jun 24, 2020 22:20:04 GMT -5
Yeah I meant that we have the stakes just nothing to mark with them! Oh, totally misread that. My bad. I have played a course which i can not remember the name or designer for the life of me, that created lateral hazards by making shallow streams and ponds, then hiding them with gorse. The only way I could tell that there was water was by hitting into it.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 27, 2020 7:18:18 GMT -5
2 other questions about the red stakes. Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? And..there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes?
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jun 27, 2020 11:57:22 GMT -5
2 other questions about the red stakes. Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? And..there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? Answer to question 1: the stakes mark the line where the hazard starts. If your “inside “ the hazard, the rules of the hazard apply regardless of whether or not your ball is playable. Again though, pretty non-applicable in this game because we don’t have hazards per se, only water. Answer to question 2: there’s no rule that states how far apart hazard markers must be. Most courses I’ve played tend to be about 20 yards-ish apart. I’d place them close together enough to clearly define the hazard but not too close as to negatively effect play or aesthetics.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 27, 2020 13:24:22 GMT -5
2 other questions about the red stakes. Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? And..there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? Answer to question 1: the stakes mark the line where the hazard starts. If your “inside “ the hazard, the rules of the hazard apply regardless of whether or not your ball is playable. Again though, pretty non-applicable in this game because we don’t have hazards per se, only water. Answer to question 2: there’s no rule that states how far apart hazard markers must be. Most courses I’ve played tend to be about 20 yards-ish apart. I’d place them close together enough to clearly define the hazard but not too close as to negatively effect play or aesthetics. Thank you I imagined these were the answers..And the consequences are really interesting, cause checking carefully the video i found, i saw there are at least 3 red stakes, on the left side of the hole 1. It means that the creek on hole 9 i was trying to understand where it runs, actually is totally in game also on hole 1. Is also unbelievable, that this detail would be totally unnoticed if i should work only following "official" flyovers, maps and pics. Being totally and intensively treelined, Nine Bridges is resulting a course full of surprises
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 8:27:17 GMT -5
2 other questions about the red stakes. Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? And..there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? There is no rule about this and there is some discretion. Say you have a pond with a clear water line and then some long grass, water plants, mud or swampy areas outside the edge of the water - then that can also be included inside the hazard. It would be unusual (but not impossible) to have maintained turf, go to wild area around a pond and then water with just the water's edge getting the red lateral hazzard. I've usually marked it with a stake and then painted red line, outside the unmaintained area around a pond (at least on the side that's in play.) there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? The spacing depends on the curve. The line between the two stakes is the determining factor between in and out of the hazard. So on a tight curve you need more stakes to define this line and on a gradual curve or straight line you would need less. This again can be superseded by a red painted line that defines the area between stakes. Many courses pull the stakes on tournaments and leave just the painted line(s) instead. Sadly we can't do this with TGC.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 28, 2020 13:15:23 GMT -5
2 other questions about the red stakes. Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? And..there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? There is no rule about this and there is some discretion. Say you have a pond with a clear water line and then some long grass, water plants, mud or swampy areas outside the edge of the water - then that can also be included inside the hazard. It would be unusual (but not impossible) to have maintained turf, go to wild area around a pond and then water with just the water's edge getting the red lateral hazzard. I've usually marked it with a stake and then painted red line, outside the unmaintained area around a pond (at least on the side that's in play.) there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? The spacing depends on the curve. The line between the two stakes is the determining factor between in and out of the hazard. So on a tight curve you need more stakes to define this line and on a gradual curve or straight line you would need less. This again can be superseded by a red painted line that defines the area between stakes. Many courses pull the stakes on tournaments and leave just the painted line(s) instead. Sadly we can't do this with TGC. Thank you for the detailed answer. Sorry if i bother you, but i wish to "use" your experience to find an answer to the "real" question is torturing me, about this thing of the red stakes. I'm working on a recreation of The Club at Nine Bridges, in South Korea. If you open a satellite maps of this course, you can notice that on hole 9 (is the one immediately below the hole 1, that is placed below the driving range, on the left of the clubhouse zone), between the tees complex and the fairway there is a pond. Near to the start of the left side of the fairway, you could see also the little creek that dies in that pond. Checking different maps taken in different years in Google Heart Pro, i saw that this creek seems to goes following the fairway of hole 9, although is difficult to understand the exact line it follows. I found a pic in which, following the space between the trees, it seems it splits in two, then they joins again beforw the half of the fairway..but i really can't be sure. Anyway..my headache started when, cheking a video made by 4 Korean guys i found on Youtube that plays the course, i noticed a series of red stakes on hole 1, placed exactly where starts the trees. These red stakes are near the bunker immediately before the green and they runs toward the half of the fairway. And this apparently makes no sense, if the rule is that the red stakes are placed immediately before the lateral water hazard because, as you can see, there are a good amount of meters between the pond and the point in which red stakes are placed (even considering that checking the pic you must count some meter less because the leaves cover the trunk and the exact point where the stakes are placed, i mean). Do you think is possible they are placed at some distance from the pond and they indicates simply the pond, in the end? Or do you think some creek goes also there?
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jun 28, 2020 13:33:40 GMT -5
Generally speaking, there is some rule fixing at what distance these stakes must be placed from the water hazard? There is no rule about this and there is some discretion. Say you have a pond with a clear water line and then some long grass, water plants, mud or swampy areas outside the edge of the water - then that can also be included inside the hazard. It would be unusual (but not impossible) to have maintained turf, go to wild area around a pond and then water with just the water's edge getting the red lateral hazzard. I've usually marked it with a stake and then painted red line, outside the unmaintained area around a pond (at least on the side that's in play.) there is a rule fixing the distance between 2 red stakes? The spacing depends on the curve. The line between the two stakes is the determining factor between in and out of the hazard. So on a tight curve you need more stakes to define this line and on a gradual curve or straight line you would need less. This again can be superseded by a red painted line that defines the area between stakes. Many courses pull the stakes on tournaments and leave just the painted line(s) instead. Sadly we can't do this with TGC. Thank you for the detailed answer. Sorry if i bother you, but i wish to "use" your experience to find an answer to the "real" question is torturing me, about this thing of the red stakes. I'm working on a recreation of The Club at Nine Bridges, in South Korea. If you open a satellite maps of this course, you can notice that on hole 9 (is the one immediately below the hole 1, that is placed below the driving range, on the left of the clubhouse zone), between the tees complex and the fairway there is a pond. Near to the start of the left side of the fairway, you could see also the little creek that dies in that pond. Checking different maps taken in different years in Google Heart Pro, i saw that this creek seems to goes following the fairway of hole 9, although is difficult to understand the exact line it follows. I found a pic in which, following the space between the trees, it seems it splits in two, then they joins again beforw the half of the fairway..but i really can't be sure. Anyway..my headache started when, cheking a video made by 4 Korean guys i found on Youtube that plays the course, i noticed a series of red stakes on hole 1, placed exactly where starts the trees. These red stakes are near the bunker immediately before the green and they runs toward the half of the fairway. And this apparently makes no sense, if the rule is that the red stakes are placed immediately before the lateral water hazard because, as you can see, there are a good amount of meters between the pond and the point in which red stakes are placed (even considering that checking the pic you must count some meter less because the leaves cover the trunk and the exact point where the stakes are placed, i mean). Do you think is possible they are placed at some distance from the pond and they indicates simply the pond, in the end? Or do you think some creek goes also there? Could be wetland, or some other protected area.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jun 28, 2020 13:37:20 GMT -5
What course is this?
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 28, 2020 15:38:14 GMT -5
The Club at Nine Bridges, Jeju Island (South Korea) host of the CJ Cup on the PGA Tour. Looking the pics and the videos, honestly i don't think is wetland. If you want, i can share the pics in which i can see the red stakes, but what makes complicated to understand what there is behind these stakes is that the ground is slightly downhill and lot of bushes covers actually everything. The trees covers the rest. But what is driving me crazy is that, taking some measurement, even considering some yard less for the leaves that covers the visual from above, these stakes are distant from the pond never less than 12 yards, but often even more than 20 yards. And is useful to add that this distance is also fully covered by trees (i mean a lot of trees!!), making actually impossible even for a super crooked shot to reach that pond from hole 1. Then it should be totally useless to use those red stakes..and for this reason i asked about the distances..
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