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Post by jre77 on Jun 18, 2020 0:28:30 GMT -5
Consider this: after round 2, my tourney is in the trash. I have no demotion marks and I’ll most likely finish waaaay lower than 160 which, according to the rules, will earn me 3 demotion marks. Also in the rules it says a withdraw is 2 demotion marks, so, wouldn’t it make sense for me to simply not play the last two rounds and save one demotion mark? Maybe I’m missing something...
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Jun 18, 2020 0:54:15 GMT -5
Consider this: after round 2, my tourney is in the trash. I have no demotion marks and I’ll most likely finish waaaay lower than 160 which, according to the rules, will earn me 3 demotion marks. Also in the rules it says a withdraw is 2 demotion marks, so, wouldn’t it make sense for me to simply not play the last two rounds and save one demotion mark? Maybe I’m missing something... Yes, you are correct.
There is also a thing called integrity, IMO.
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Post by jre77 on Jun 18, 2020 8:20:38 GMT -5
I wasn’t questioning integrity, just the rules.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 18, 2020 8:51:44 GMT -5
Trying to improve the promo/demo mark system, admins made various adjustment here and there, in the last year. Of course is uneasy to solve everything..and for sure you highlighted a flaw, you're not wrong. I'm sure it will be fixed for the next season.
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Post by jre77 on Jun 19, 2020 0:51:30 GMT -5
Yeah definitely. I was just making sure I was interpreting the rules correctly. Thanks!
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Post by zorbacles on Jul 12, 2020 19:32:48 GMT -5
incomplete rounds should be given a +9 then you get your demo's based on your position with those scores.
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Post by mc23 on Jul 18, 2020 14:38:50 GMT -5
So i just rolled over to 204th this week at-17 on leaderboard. I should now withdrawand it will save me demotion marks ?
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jul 19, 2020 10:58:25 GMT -5
So i just rolled over to 204th this week at-17 on leaderboard. I should now withdrawand it will save me demotion marks ? Do you mean -7, because -17 is a top 100 finish in CC-Z this week ? I'd have LOVED to be 5 strokes lower, LOL.
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Post by remoshi on Jul 22, 2020 9:07:18 GMT -5
One thing I’ve never understood is the dynamic between pro and master club users on the same leaderboard. Why do top 10 pro and top 10 master get a positive movement mark?
I finished one stroke outside of fast track promotion. But i received no movement marks. And people below me on the leaderboard, using an easier club set, got a positive movement mark. It seems crazy that I can be one stroke away from promotion, but the end result be the same as if I hadn’t played the event.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 22, 2020 22:59:52 GMT -5
One thing I’ve never understood is the dynamic between pro and master club users on the same leaderboard. Why do top 10 pro and top 10 master get a positive movement mark? I finished one stroke outside of fast track promotion. But i received no movement marks. And people below me on the leaderboard, using an easier club set, got a positive movement mark. It seems crazy that I can be one stroke away from promotion, but the end result be the same as if I hadn’t played the event. Do you mean you were in the top 10 of the Master club users or you were below that position? Because if you were below that place, there is nothing wrong. Otherwise, i'm sure if you ask to the assistance they will solve everything. About the split on standings between kind of clubs, is just a necessity to equalize a huge disparity between the two clubs, cause Master clubs suffers a basic issue (and a disparity between systems used) that precludes every possible fair competition against Pro Clubs. Hopefully, in the next season we'll never have again this problem.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jul 23, 2020 4:37:13 GMT -5
One thing I’ve never understood is the dynamic between pro and master club users on the same leaderboard. Why do top 10 pro and top 10 master get a positive movement mark? I finished one stroke outside of fast track promotion. But i received no movement marks. And people below me on the leaderboard, using an easier club set, got a positive movement mark. It seems crazy that I can be one stroke away from promotion, but the end result be the same as if I hadn’t played the event. It's a debate that goes round and round. Making it top 10 of each was a good move because previously Masters clubs players were at a disadvantage playing against Pro clubs players playing an easier game. And make no mistake, it IS an easier game using Pro clubs. Maybe not off the tee, but the closer you get to the green the more that advantage swings, and that's where you pick up all your shots. Effectively they split the leaderboards in two without having to physically double the amount of flights. You're effectively playing against people using the same club set as you. Works well for promo marks, not so well at the other end of the table. But it won't matter anymore in a few weeks. New game, no club sets, new Q-school, fresh start. Just got to grin and bear it until then.
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Post by remoshi on Jul 23, 2020 9:35:37 GMT -5
One thing I’ve never understood is the dynamic between pro and master club users on the same leaderboard. Why do top 10 pro and top 10 master get a positive movement mark? I finished one stroke outside of fast track promotion. But i received no movement marks. And people below me on the leaderboard, using an easier club set, got a positive movement mark. It seems crazy that I can be one stroke away from promotion, but the end result be the same as if I hadn’t played the event. Do you mean you were in the top 10 of the Master club users or you were below that position? Because if you were below that place, there is nothing wrong. Otherwise, i'm sure if you ask to the assistance they will solve everything. About the split on standings between kind of clubs, is just a necessity to equalize a huge disparity between the two clubs, cause Master clubs suffers a basic issue (and a disparity between systems used) that precludes every possible fair competition against Pro Clubs. Hopefully, in the next season we'll never have again this problem. There was no problem with how it’s scored according to the rules. No need to reach out to admins. But, I guess my point is I wish everyone had to use master clubs even at CC-Am ranks. I understand that might go away very soon. But just stung a little bit extra this week given that Pro club users were gaining positive movement marks up the same ladder as me despite worse scores on an easier club set (pro). Really I should use Pro to climb the ranks then switch to master when necessary. But alas, the new game comes. Thanks for your reply
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jul 24, 2020 8:09:43 GMT -5
Do you mean you were in the top 10 of the Master club users or you were below that position? Because if you were below that place, there is nothing wrong. Otherwise, i'm sure if you ask to the assistance they will solve everything. About the split on standings between kind of clubs, is just a necessity to equalize a huge disparity between the two clubs, cause Master clubs suffers a basic issue (and a disparity between systems used) that precludes every possible fair competition against Pro Clubs. Hopefully, in the next season we'll never have again this problem. There was no problem with how it’s scored according to the rules. No need to reach out to admins. But, I guess my point is I wish everyone had to use master clubs even at CC-Am ranks. I understand that might go away very soon. But just stung a little bit extra this week given that Pro club users were gaining positive movement marks up the same ladder as me despite worse scores on an easier club set (pro). Really I should use Pro to climb the ranks then switch to master when necessary. But alas, the new game comes. Thanks for your reply As for players getting marks below you on the board - if you have negative marks, but finish above 100, you will get a green mark to essentially remove one of the reds..
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jul 24, 2020 14:19:06 GMT -5
There was no problem with how it’s scored according to the rules. No need to reach out to admins. But, I guess my point is I wish everyone had to use master clubs even at CC-Am ranks. I understand that might go away very soon. But just stung a little bit extra this week given that Pro club users were gaining positive movement marks up the same ladder as me despite worse scores on an easier club set (pro). Really I should use Pro to climb the ranks then switch to master when necessary. But alas, the new game comes. Thanks for your reply As for players getting marks below you on the board - if you have negative marks, but finish above 100, you will get a green mark to essentially remove one of the reds.. Easier said than done when there's 300 people on the leaderboard!
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jul 24, 2020 15:29:57 GMT -5
As for players getting marks below you on the board - if you have negative marks, but finish above 100, you will get a green mark to essentially remove one of the reds.. Easier said than done when there's 300 people on the leaderboard! Agreed! It's really hard to get a promo mark - but damn easy to get 3 demos!! If the level of involvement next season is roughly the same and there are no extra CC tours added, I would hope the admins would look at either a cut line on CC or at least change the logic from a static top 100 to more like 50% of the field.. That would help people keep the promo marks and/or remove the demos if the line was closer to 150 with a field of 300.. EDIT: I just checked out my tour - CC-E - there are literally 3 guys with a green mark in a field of 233 - and 2 of them are going to lose it after this week (and actually acquire some reds!! )
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