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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 15, 2020 9:26:41 GMT -5
-1 first round with 4 ugly bogeys. Everything that could go wrong did for me. My game wasn't on at all, I blame myself but the course did punish heavily for every mistake. Me personally, I love tough courses. I was one of the rangers and I didn't see any issue with it Haven’t even played yet but I’m planning on blaming you for my bad score Brandon. How dare you!!
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Post by b101 on Jun 15, 2020 9:47:23 GMT -5
Only wandering through as I'll be playing this one for fun this week, but I felt compelled to comment. These were by some way the fairest and best greens in the recent major contest. However, the course is highly strategic with lots of options and risk/reward elements. If you're finding you're constantly coming in over hazards or mounds, I'd suggest you look at whether you could have taken a different line off the tee. Odds are, the riskiest play and challenging the hazards will yield a far better approach. Play safe and expect a trickier approach. Looking forward to playing as a guest. As an outsider, Euro has by far and away the best course selections. If only my game was better I disagree with you on the greens I'm afraid Ben. I thought they were awful. It seems like all designers these days are creating courses with greens that are full of extreme slopes with red and yellow lines everywhere. Most of said courses are designed really well but I feel (and this is only my honest opinion) that they are let down by the very exteme greens. I understand that us as golfers need a challenge but these courses like Fairyland are to far fetched and don't represent real life. Rant over lol. P.S Keep up the good work b101 Happy to have a friendly exchange of views I guess I'd question what the understanding of very extreme greens is. Are you below the hole, above the hole etc? Take Oakmont, Shinnecock etc - very firm, very fast greens are common and we KNOW from pulling in Lidar that putting these greens at 187 would lead to lots of 'TGC illegal' pins, when in reality the speed would be even higher for tournaments. Are these greens a defence? Of course. They are large and you have to hit the right portion of them to score. That's a fair challenge. Thing is, a lot of players (not necessarily you) want to just play target golf, hit a number and get birdie. That's fine on certain courses, but others - links for example - are far more about working the ball to the hole, using slopes etc and getting creative. I've played Fairyland on numerous occasions as part of the contest. To claim the greens are awful is just misunderstanding the challenge, for me. If you are coming in from the wrong angle, you still have a shot, but you need to be considering where you are leaving the ball rather than going for everything. That's good golf, for me.
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Post by wadey1801 on Jun 15, 2020 10:21:12 GMT -5
I disagree with you on the greens I'm afraid Ben. I thought they were awful. It seems like all designers these days are creating courses with greens that are full of extreme slopes with red and yellow lines everywhere. Most of said courses are designed really well but I feel (and this is only my honest opinion) that they are let down by the very exteme greens. I understand that us as golfers need a challenge but these courses like Fairyland are to far fetched and don't represent real life. Rant over lol. P.S Keep up the good work b101 Happy to have a friendly exchange of views I guess I'd question what the understanding of very extreme greens is. Are you below the hole, above the hole etc? Take Oakmont, Shinnecock etc - very firm, very fast greens are common and we KNOW from pulling in Lidar that putting these greens at 187 would lead to lots of 'TGC illegal' pins, when in reality the speed would be even higher for tournaments. Are these greens a defence? Of course. They are large and you have to hit the right portion of them to score. That's a fair challenge. Thing is, a lot of players (not necessarily you) want to just play target golf, hit a number and get birdie. That's fine on certain courses, but others - links for example - are far more about working the ball to the hole, using slopes etc and getting creative. I've played Fairyland on numerous occasions as part of the contest. To claim the greens are awful is just misunderstanding the challenge, for me. If you are coming in from the wrong angle, you still have a shot, but you need to be considering where you are leaving the ball rather than going for everything. That's good golf, for me. I understand where your coming from Ben. I know it's a fictional course and needs to be challenging but surely designers have the albilty to create greens that make you think and at the same time are not contoured like the Himalayas 😂 As for some of the pin positions...well that's another story lol
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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 15, 2020 11:59:38 GMT -5
Oh my god!! Actual civil discussions and viewpoints that are actually all well thought out and valid! Nice! Now that SandbagErnie and Dax are up where they ought to be, we can have a real and fair and fun and friendly competition! See, I'm a reasonable human being.🤗
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Post by fransslabak on Jun 15, 2020 13:38:08 GMT -5
This place is really growing on me... 😂😂😂
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Post by mick0210 on Jun 15, 2020 14:05:20 GMT -5
Welcome to week 41, After hanging on to my green thingy last week, it could very well disappear this week. Then again, I suspect not many people will go low this week... Without meaning disrespect to the designer nor the scheduler, if I'm honest, I found this week's tournament frustrating and the course utterly unattractive and a repeat of the same trick over and over again. That could just be me though; maybe others will actually love the course and the way it was set up. If anything, I was consistent this week: -7, -5, -6, -5 for a -23 total. It will be another week of watching the cut line... Best wishes and good luck all, Frans The designer has a habit of designing template courses and they are all the same. The greens and some if the pin positions are a bit much. And as for the slope in that 18th green I had a 55ft, 4ft uphill putt up that and only just made it with a full backswing. I shot -8 first round which leaves me in 2nd place for now. I can see the cut being around -10. -10? No chance I think we won't go lower than -6/7
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Post by greyosprey on Jun 15, 2020 14:27:21 GMT -5
Playing Shinnecock as part of the USE society US Open. 187 greens and obviously gridless. I'd rather play Shinnecock with no aids than Fairyland with aids. Fairyland is a travesty of a course compared to Shinnecock. But, to each their own.
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Post by joegolferg on Jun 15, 2020 14:33:38 GMT -5
Welcome to my world, fella's...
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Post by up mup kupen nup on Jun 15, 2020 14:39:35 GMT -5
The designer has a habit of designing template courses and they are all the same. The greens and some if the pin positions are a bit much. And as for the slope in that 18th green I had a 55ft, 4ft uphill putt up that and only just made it with a full backswing. I shot -8 first round which leaves me in 2nd place for now. I can see the cut being around -10. -10? No chance I think we won't go lower than -6/7 ...which would mean that I'd make my first cut! Yay
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Post by spikel on Jun 15, 2020 14:48:39 GMT -5
+4 through 2 rounds, gonna just laugh it off and try again next week
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 15, 2020 16:02:57 GMT -5
I'll be honest, after all the fuss on here, I decided to play a practice round before teeing it up for real. Shot -7 and while it was definitely challenging, it didn't warrant the complaining.... then I played my real 1st round. Started off with a crazy eagle on the first and a birdie on the 4th to be -3 thru 4. All's well right? Wrong. Followed that up quickly with three straight bogeys on 5/6/7. I won't bore you with the details from there, but went into 17 at -4 and finished -2... you do the math. Are the greens a little funky? Sure. Do I think funky greens like that deserve at least a somewhat flat area around the flag so when you do navigate them correctly you have a chance to make a putt? Yep. Did that really mean the difference between me shooting a -7 in my practice with 0 bogeys and a -2 in my actual round with 5 bogeys? Nope! I played like dog sh%$ when it mattered. The course punishes everyone in the same way, i just didn't hit the shots i needed to hit the 2nd time around. All that said, there's one more question I'll ask. Is this all knothead85 's fault? Abso@!$#inlutely! Hate that guy!
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Post by knothead85 on Jun 15, 2020 16:26:08 GMT -5
I'll be honest, after all the fuss on here, I decided to play a practice round before teeing it up for real. Shot -7 and while it was definitely challenging, it didn't warrant the complaining.... then I played my real 1st round. Started off with a crazy eagle on the first and a birdie on the 4th to be -3 thru 4. All's well right? Wrong. Followed that up quickly with three straight bogeys on 5/6/7. I won't bore you with the details from there, but went into 17 at -4 and finished -2... you do the math. Are the greens a little funky? Sure. Do I think funky greens like that deserve at least a somewhat flat area around the flag so when you do navigate them correctly you have a chance to make a putt? Yep. Did that really mean the difference between me shooting a -7 in my practice with 0 bogeys and a -2 in my actual round with 5 bogeys? Nope! I played like dog sh%$ when it mattered. The course punishes everyone in the same way, i just didn't hit the shots i needed to hit the 2nd time around. All that said, there's one more question I'll ask. Is this all knothead85 's fault? Abso@!$#inlutely! Hate that guy! Jokes on you, I rangered pin set 4....looking like you're not gonna have to worry about playing those pins! 😁
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Post by LEFTY79 on Jun 15, 2020 16:51:22 GMT -5
I'll be honest, after all the fuss on here, I decided to play a practice round before teeing it up for real. Shot -7 and while it was definitely challenging, it didn't warrant the complaining.... then I played my real 1st round. Started off with a crazy eagle on the first and a birdie on the 4th to be -3 thru 4. All's well right? Wrong. Followed that up quickly with three straight bogeys on 5/6/7. I won't bore you with the details from there, but went into 17 at -4 and finished -2... you do the math. Are the greens a little funky? Sure. Do I think funky greens like that deserve at least a somewhat flat area around the flag so when you do navigate them correctly you have a chance to make a putt? Yep. Did that really mean the difference between me shooting a -7 in my practice with 0 bogeys and a -2 in my actual round with 5 bogeys? Nope! I played like dog sh%$ when it mattered. The course punishes everyone in the same way, i just didn't hit the shots i needed to hit the 2nd time around. All that said, there's one more question I'll ask. Is this all knothead85 's fault? Abso@!$#inlutely! Hate that guy! This is exactly why I don’t practice!
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 15, 2020 16:51:57 GMT -5
I'll be honest, after all the fuss on here, I decided to play a practice round before teeing it up for real. Shot -7 and while it was definitely challenging, it didn't warrant the complaining.... then I played my real 1st round. Started off with a crazy eagle on the first and a birdie on the 4th to be -3 thru 4. All's well right? Wrong. Followed that up quickly with three straight bogeys on 5/6/7. I won't bore you with the details from there, but went into 17 at -4 and finished -2... you do the math. Are the greens a little funky? Sure. Do I think funky greens like that deserve at least a somewhat flat area around the flag so when you do navigate them correctly you have a chance to make a putt? Yep. Did that really mean the difference between me shooting a -7 in my practice with 0 bogeys and a -2 in my actual round with 5 bogeys? Nope! I played like dog sh%$ when it mattered. The course punishes everyone in the same way, i just didn't hit the shots i needed to hit the 2nd time around. All that said, there's one more question I'll ask. Is this all knothead85 's fault? Abso@!$#inlutely! Hate that guy! Jokes on you, I rangered pin set 4....looking like you're not gonna have to worry about playing those pins! 😁 Haha you and me both friend!
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 15, 2020 16:54:46 GMT -5
I'll be honest, after all the fuss on here, I decided to play a practice round before teeing it up for real. Shot -7 and while it was definitely challenging, it didn't warrant the complaining.... then I played my real 1st round. Started off with a crazy eagle on the first and a birdie on the 4th to be -3 thru 4. All's well right? Wrong. Followed that up quickly with three straight bogeys on 5/6/7. I won't bore you with the details from there, but went into 17 at -4 and finished -2... you do the math. Are the greens a little funky? Sure. Do I think funky greens like that deserve at least a somewhat flat area around the flag so when you do navigate them correctly you have a chance to make a putt? Yep. Did that really mean the difference between me shooting a -7 in my practice with 0 bogeys and a -2 in my actual round with 5 bogeys? Nope! I played like dog sh%$ when it mattered. The course punishes everyone in the same way, i just didn't hit the shots i needed to hit the 2nd time around. All that said, there's one more question I'll ask. Is this all knothead85 's fault? Abso@!$#inlutely! Hate that guy! This is exactly why I don’t practice! Yea yea, I thought of you right after those three bogeys. In this case it definitely hurt as I had some dialed in numbers from my practice round and then the wind was slightly diff in the real thing. On the counter point I practiced last week and ended up in 4th... maybe if I hadn’t I would’ve won?!
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