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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 18, 2020 23:58:51 GMT -5
In my opinion the designers are catering to these outliers in the attempt to give separation the leaderboard. The problem is the rest of the field suffers. How would a designer cater to the exploiters though? I doubt any designer thinks about what the leaderboard will look like while designing a course. Or are you saying that scheduling overly tricked up courses every week only benefits the exploiters? I think all tour levels would be a lot better off if they just picked a wind direction and left the rest of the conditions default though. Or leave it up to the designer to specify 4 playable rounds if he wants his course on tour. Cater is the wrong term. I believe the designs have been trending towards extreme because exploits have crushed the old standards. It is becoming a chore to play this season, and the worst part is many good honest players are paying the penalty. I’m just tired of the same mounded greens where if you miss by a yards the ball rolls 35 yards off the side of the green or down 2 tiers leaving a 90ft putt. I think most just want to play and have fun, extremely tough holes are good, but too much of a good thing gets old.
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Post by deathstar on Jun 19, 2020 7:11:46 GMT -5
Oh boy that was a tough one, but with the help of a positive attitude (and some hooch) I managed to reach -19 at the end, which is pretty decent for me at least.
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whinnybrae
Caddy
Posts: 24
TGCT Name: Chris Wilson
Tour: PGA/TST
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Post by whinnybrae on Jun 19, 2020 13:57:11 GMT -5
I’ve never complained about the course before but that was just not fun. Hitting the 72nd green in two and making nine was the cherry on top.
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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2020 1:47:50 GMT -5
Well played Colm, hopefully your score holds up and some watcher wanker doesn't catch you. Hopefully congrats on a first major.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 20, 2020 12:52:04 GMT -5
This MUST be the worst statistical round in my history of playing on TGCT: FIR %50 | GIR 39% (?!??!!?) | 8...yes 8 bunkers hit...
Christ
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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2020 14:18:39 GMT -5
Other than that this is a heck of a challenge, as a US Open course should be. Love a challenge. Love trying to work out how to play a hole. Love having alternative ways of doing so and having to choose between being aggressive or defensive.This course has none of that.
It gives you a tiny landing zone to leave yourself any putt, and there's probably about 20 greens over the 72 holes that were almost impossible to hold whatever you do.
So the only two skills being tested are hitting literally perfect shots and chipping. If you have a slightly wonkier swing or tempo issues you can basically forget it. There's no bail out. No thinking involved whatsoever.
In fact the course rewards you for deliberately missing the greens. At that point it ceases to be anything resembling a golf course and shouldn't be worthy of hosting a major.
This is where we are now. Anything goes as long scores are kept to some mythical acceptable level.
This appears to be the tactic of Mr Brian "lastminute.com" Ayers, the only one who can conceivably catch Colm now, as in his first two rounds, he chipped in no less than 7 (Seven) times! That in itself makes me wonder how he managed to hole out more chips in two rounds than I do in 2-3 tournaments.
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Post by LtColumbo_92 on Jun 20, 2020 14:21:15 GMT -5
Love a challenge. Love trying to work out how to play a hole. Love having alternative ways of doing so and having to choose between being aggressive or defensive.This course has none of that.
It gives you a tiny landing zone to leave yourself any putt, and there's probably about 20 greens over the 72 holes that were almost impossible to hold whatever you do.
So the only two skills being tested are hitting literally perfect shots and chipping. If you have a slightly wonkier swing or tempo issues you can basically forget it. There's no bail out. No thinking involved whatsoever.
In fact the course rewards you for deliberately missing the greens. At that point it ceases to be anything resembling a golf course and shouldn't be worthy of hosting a major.
This is where we are now. Anything goes as long scores are kept to some mythical acceptable level.
This appears to be the tactic of Mr Brian "lastminute.com" Ayers, the only one who can conceivably catch Colm now, as in his first two rounds, he chipped in no less than 7 (Seven) times! That in itself makes me wonder how he managed to hole out more chips in two rounds than I do in 2-3 tournaments. I noticed that too. I wonder why there aren’t many in the top 50 that stream their rounds.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 20, 2020 14:46:43 GMT -5
That slow chip thing is super easy apparently. That’s my guess. Have seen some unknown names in PC societies suddenly shoot crazy good scores, then learn that’s what they’re doing. Idk, never tried to figure it out nor do I care to use the exploit, but that’s my best guess.
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Post by blueorfe on Jun 20, 2020 15:20:57 GMT -5
That slow chip thing is super easy apparently. That’s my guess. Have seen some unknown names in PC societies suddenly shoot crazy good scores, then learn that’s what they’re doing. Idk, never tried to figure it out nor do I care to use the exploit, but that’s my best guess. I play alt shot with a few people that use that tactic. They hole out at least once per round, sometimes multiple times. I have never once purposely played a chip, flop, pitch, punch or full shot with a slow back swing: I just use partial swings and loft if it's severely downhill and I can't get the ball to stop. It would just feel wrong to hold the swing at the top. One of the guys that I play with says that if you use a slow backswing for your chip, the ball comes out much straighter than if you just swing it normally. It's pretty comical at times seeing players holding their backswing for five seconds; you're not sure if the game has frozen and you're about to get a blue screen.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jun 20, 2020 15:28:17 GMT -5
Never heard of this slow chip thing but I often wondered when playing with ghost balls in true sim what some other players figured out about chipping in that I don’t know because I would put my up and down game with anyone but I see other guys chip in way more often than I ever could. Any slight right or left of my line basically guarantees a miss
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Post by Generic_Casual on Jun 20, 2020 15:48:48 GMT -5
I seem to have missed the cut by 1??!
😕😕
Well, at least my scores stayed!
😊😊
I honestly can say that I now see how much of an advantage me old swing gave.
I'm going to keep grinding away and focus on the improvements over my swing until the next game.
Next step is to make a cut!
😎😎
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Theopen
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 143
TGCT Name: Brian Ayers
Tour: Beer League
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Post by Theopen on Jun 20, 2020 19:34:32 GMT -5
Well alrighty then ...
1. You don't have to worry about me catching anyone ... I had a shite third round and decided to drop out in the 4th round because I was so p!$$ed off about yet another event with 3 out of 4 rounds having high winds (or worse). I'd rather take the demotion marks than keep playing (not that I really had much chance of catching up after my 3rd round). We've got to be around 80% high+ winds over the last 10 events. It's ridiculous. Courses like these are absurd enough on their own, and I can only "here here!" to the complaints already lodged in this thread. Everything has been geared toward one kind of player and one kind of player only. There's no diversity at all on the PGA - hasn't been for a long time, whether it was a ridiculous streak of having VF/VF/VF 3/4 rounds an event, to now having high wind 3/4 rounds, and only about 25% of courses that are truly playable for everyone (again, complaints already stated by others). It really highlights the imbalance between platforms as well - something I can only hope they've fixed in 2k21.
2. I don't have any "tactic" for playing. I'm a fairly extreme introvert, and that extends to my online presence as well. A bit ironic, actually, if I cared to give you background on my life. Regardless, I get nervous playing rounds that I have a higher personal stake in. I often put off those important rounds to the last minute due to that anxiety. It frequently backfires, as I'm forced to play when I'm just not quite at my best. My mood has a massive impact on my playing. This is also why I don't stream - knowing that people are watching me play increases my anxiety and makes it that much more difficult to play well.
3. Chipping is a skill I've gotten pretty damn good at, and I'm proud of that - mostly thanks to BS courses where a 1 ft. miss results in the ball rolling off the green. I've had far too much practice chipping it back onto the green. I get on hot streaks and nail quite a few in a round (note: I never intentionally miss the green so that I can chip - I always try to find a way to get it close enough for a tap-in if at all possible). Other times, I can't make 90% of my chips ... again, depends on my mood. I have video of my first round, and I watched it thinking "HTF did I pull off a -12?!" ... had a couple of nice clutch chip shots, and a couple nice putts (note: half of the chip shots I made in the first round were to save par - for not birdie). It was the two eagles I had that helped my score the most. Otherwise, I couldn't keep the ball in the fairway to save my life. I had some good recovery shots, and made shots that mattered (again, usually just to save par).
4. "Slow" chip ... 100% of the the time, I'm going for "perfect/perfect" on my chip shots. I never "stall" on my backswing for chips. I do stall for a split second to force a "slow" backswing on other shots (eg. flop) that have tricky landing areas, but I never "pause and count to 3" or any of that crap. I think that's crossing a line into exploit territory. I play the distance by gut - by adjusting the power, not the tempo.
So ... cheers!
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Post by xvshitanvx on Jun 20, 2020 19:41:55 GMT -5
This MUST be the worst statistical round in my history of playing on TGCT: FIR %50 | GIR 39% (?!??!!?) | 8...yes 8 bunkers hit...
Christ
Did the whole field average 50% gir in this event? Horrid green design
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 20, 2020 19:44:00 GMT -5
So, I figured out the slow chip and flop months ago and did it for a couple weeks. It felt wrong so I stopped. Every second you hold your backswing at the top is simply a yard off the distance to a point. 9 yard chip pull back and count off 8 seconds travels 4 yards, 7 seconds is 5 yards, 6 seconds 6 yards etc. Same with flops, so dumb I couldn’t go on using it. But hey, I’m honest.
Another dumb exploit I found is if you quit the game before your ball stops when you restart you get another outcome. I found it by accident when I rage quit in Maximum Daily then decided to keep playing. My ball originally roll off the green 100 ft but when I restarted I was 4 ft from pin. Lol. I reproduced it numerous times in testing. Never finished a tourney doing it because I’m honest. I have a video. Edit: I deleted the video because some friends didn’t want another exploit getting out. But easy to try yourself. So you take, flicking, short swinging, slow chips, and restarts not to mention scripts how can somebody compete that just wants to play an honest game? Multiple DQ no biggie have fun! For those about to rock we salute you.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Jun 20, 2020 19:50:22 GMT -5
So, I figured out the slow chip and flop months ago and did it for a couple weeks. It felt wrong so I stopped. Every second you hold your backswing at the top is simply a yard off the distance to a point. 9 yard chip pull back and count off 8 seconds travels 4 yards, 7 seconds is 5 yards, 6 seconds 6 yards etc. Same with flops, so dumb I couldn’t go on using it. But hey, I’m honest. That is what was used back in the TW days by some players and some referred to it as a 'kill shot'. At least it isn't as bad as those old TW games as after a certain point they would hit a minimum amount of distance and no matter how long you held it the distance would always be the same.
You could reliably know how long to hold a pause to take off consistent distance. This was in TGC2 as well, and I posted in their forum bug/exploit section about it all the way back at the very outset of TGC2 and it is in TGC2019 as well. No action was ever taken on it AFAIK.
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