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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 9, 2020 10:42:42 GMT -5
I don't understand that point. Why would you flop on the same line? There's nothing in the rules saying your chip / flop shot has to follow the same line as your putt would. And practically speaking, flopping it towards the hole removes 95% of the break, so why would you play for a mile of break? I think I'm missing something. Personally to me there is no line unless you purposely use the fringe to hold it back. So that is the line. Flopping it takes away all the penalty and is an advantage. So the "correct" line IS through the fringe
but at the same time flopping was wrong because the fringe wasn't impeding my line
Is it just me, or are those two statements incompatible?
If the line of the putt is through the fringe (your words), the putter isn't mandatory. That's what the rule says.
Anyway, think it's time i bowed out of this discussion. I've yet to see any evidence that my interpretation was conclusively incorrect, even if others disagree or would have played it differently. But I made a judgement call in good faith, and certainly don't want to be accused of seeking an advantage, so i'll take whatever is coming to me.
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 9, 2020 10:44:03 GMT -5
I don't understand that point. Why would you flop on the same line? There's nothing in the rules saying your chip / flop shot has to follow the same line as your putt would. And practically speaking, flopping it towards the hole removes 95% of the break, so why would you play for a mile of break? I think I'm missing something. I would bet 90% would putt that because of the rules. Some will flop and hope to not get caught. Personally to me there is no line unless you purposely use the fringe to hold it back. So that is the line. Flopping it takes away all the penalty and is an advantage. I have no horse in this race so I don’t care if it’s a DQ but I just think something better than asking for leniency needs to be in place. Especially for these dumb unrealistic putts. I bet most on here have been screwed over in the past. Maybe the rangers can identify these ahead of time and a ruling is made before the tourneys? It just seems like we're thinking about this in vastly different ways. I agree with you when you say that the line is the one that goes through the fringe. Then I look at the rules, and the rules say that if your preferred line goes through the fringe, then you don't have to putt. I don't see why you don't come to that conclusion too, as the rule seems black and white to me. So now that we don't have to putt, we can do whatever we want. So flopping in a straight line to the hole is the best route. I definitely agree about your last idea, with the rulings made before tourneys for situations like this.
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 9, 2020 11:06:25 GMT -5
Very fun course. Plenty fair and something different which I enjoy. I putted it solidly at 50% long putt. But my short shots with the wedges was a disaster all week. Flop game just wasn't there. Parred 3 par 5s and parred 4 or so of the driveable par 4s. Tied Brad with a -48. And reading Brad's post....just wow. Rotten luck. Damn. It's hard to believe. I did also par 18 and 17. But birdied 16. Still 5 days left however. I hope for your sake someone blitzes us with a -55. It's out there for sure. I'll post a couple of my rounds on my Youtube soon for all the moaners in the audience. Looking forward to next week! Nice shooting! And crazy about Brad's luck, this is getting nuts.
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 9, 2020 11:16:57 GMT -5
I would bet 90% would putt that because of the rules. Some will flop and hope to not get caught. Personally to me there is no line unless you purposely use the fringe to hold it back. So that is the line. Flopping it takes away all the penalty and is an advantage. I have no horse in this race so I don’t care if it’s a DQ but I just think something better than asking for leniency needs to be in place. Especially for these dumb unrealistic putts. I bet most on here have been screwed over in the past. Maybe the rangers can identify these ahead of time and a ruling is made before the tourneys? It just seems like we're thinking about this in vastly different ways. I agree with you when you say that the line is the one that goes through the fringe. Then I look at the rules, and the rules say that if your preferred line goes through the fringe, then you don't have to putt. I don't see why you don't come to that conclusion too, as the rule seems black and white to me. So now that we don't have to putt, we can do whatever we want. So flopping in a straight line to the hole is the best route. I definitely agree about your last idea, with the rulings made before tourneys for situations like this. I mean that you have to use the fringe to your advantage without it there is no possible way. Even if the entire area was a green, so that is what I meant by the line is the fringe. It’s a dumb green but the problem is it’s not the only one out there and not the last. This is not about Jacko to me. It’s more about guys like Hippy who putted it because the rule can be unfair. In the end it’s just a game, but things are so tight a stroke or two drops you 20 spots. These are my last thoughts on it. Thanks.
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Post by blueorfe on Jun 9, 2020 11:59:37 GMT -5
And there it is 🙄
I make Greg Norman look like the luckiest golfer ever.
I'm literally losing handfuls of shots in every tournament because my swing doesn't fit in with HB's stupid notion that we all have to swing exactly the same way, despite the fact that we are all different, have different tempos, controllers, systems and internet connections. For the lucky ones that this particular tempo and swing plane fits, you can just work out your shot and hit it; if not you're buggered.
It feels as though I have to perform open heart surgery with every swing; it's literally amazing that I'm getting anywhere near the top of leaderboards with the inconsistent junk that I'm having to put up with. I'd just like one tournament where I had a perfect swing to see where I would end up.
My rounds are taking 35 minutes plus, as apposed to 25 minutes in previous (better) versions of this game, because it feels as though somebody put a hedgehog in my hand, rather than a DS4.
Nice shooting Vitaly, congrats on the win if the score holds.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Jun 9, 2020 13:08:27 GMT -5
What's more: So far I haven't received any email from administrators regarding my DQ. Far from conspiracy theory, but all indications are that I was removed manually - not by the API. This is false. You were automatically removed. Our SMTP email server wasn't operating yesterday, so it is likely you didn't get an email. I've spent the last 18 hours activating new user accounts that didn't get verification emails.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jun 9, 2020 14:30:24 GMT -5
But what hurts me is this: When I'm pulled by the API - my score disappears (even if it wasn't published the next lap) almost instantly. And I get a warning from the administrators.
This must have been coincidence in the past because I am pretty sure the API checks run only 2 or 3 times a week and those are the only times you will get pulled. It is never an immediate result unless you happen to play right before one of the checks by chance
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Post by alexandre on Jun 9, 2020 14:43:51 GMT -5
Good news for me. That dispels my doubt. As I said: I played without worrying, because I did not like the course and the green. In the face of your statement, I'll be reassured. But I learned: don't post anything. I've never been interpreted correctly. Maybe I'll come back in August with the new game. Goodbye, everyone. What's more: So far I haven't received any email from administrators regarding my DQ. Far from conspiracy theory, but all indications are that I was removed manually - not by the API. This is false. You were automatically removed. Our SMTP email server wasn't operating yesterday, so it is likely you didn't get an email. I've spent the last 18 hours activating new user accounts that didn't get verification emails.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 9, 2020 15:25:26 GMT -5
But what hurts me is this: When I'm pulled by the API - my score disappears (even if it wasn't published the next lap) almost instantly. And I get a warning from the administrators.
This must have been coincidence in the past because I am pretty sure the API checks run only 2 or 3 times a week and those are the only times you will get pulled. It is never an immediate result unless you happen to play right before one of the checks by chance
Pretty sure that’s not right Ben, but I’m not certain on the specifics.
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Post by ClassAct147 on Jun 9, 2020 15:50:30 GMT -5
And there it is 🙄 I make Greg Norman look like the luckiest golfer ever. I'm literally losing handfuls of shots in every tournament because my swing doesn't fit in with HB's stupid notion that we all have to swing exactly the same way, despite the fact that we are all different, have different tempos, controllers, systems and internet connections. For the lucky ones that this particular tempo and swing plane fits, you can just work out your shot and hit it; if not you're buggered. It feels as though I have to perform open heart surgery with every swing; it's literally amazing that I'm getting anywhere near the top of leaderboards with the inconsistent junk that I'm having to put up with. I'd just like one tournament where I had a perfect swing to see where I would end up. My rounds are taking 35 minutes plus, as apposed to 25 minutes in previous (better) versions of this game, because it feels as though somebody put a hedgehog in my hand, rather than a DS4. Nice shooting Vitaly, congrats on the win if the score holds. There has to be some parameters in what makes a good swing in a golf game. In this one it's about keeping it in the cone, or at least that's how it's supposed to be but as we know there is an exploit which some have taken advantage of. Keeping the swing in the cone should be thought of as a test of skill, not a hindrance. Too many were happy to use the exploit and swing it all over the bloody place. Glad that's been sorted in this society anyway. Tempo is another thing , we all get it bad at times. Most players could complain about something or other. I'm currently playing with a busted controller, takes 5 or 6 attempts to complete a backswing and the right stick tends to float just when I'm about to hit. Won't be getting a new one until the game shops open up again. Was ranked 12th in the world at one time but that's now sinking faster than a whores drawers.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jun 9, 2020 15:58:26 GMT -5
This must have been coincidence in the past because I am pretty sure the API checks run only 2 or 3 times a week and those are the only times you will get pulled. It is never an immediate result unless you happen to play right before one of the checks by chance
Pretty sure that’s not right Ben, but I’m not certain on the specifics. I could be wrong, I have no inside info, but every time my scores disappeared it was a day or two after the rounds
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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 9, 2020 16:37:54 GMT -5
I'm down in Euro🤗, thought I would chip in on Jacko's flop because, well, I'min a mood 😁. I think that a good rule would be "if nobody in their right mind would putt this in real life, no chance, nada, than it should be okay to chip, flop, or hit a 5% full driver if the player chooses." The argument that he should putt it is ridiculous. The argument for a DQ is more ridiculous. That is how amendments are made. Make that one and move on.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 9, 2020 16:45:00 GMT -5
And there it is 🙄 I make Greg Norman look like the luckiest golfer ever. I'm literally losing handfuls of shots in every tournament because my swing doesn't fit in with HB's stupid notion that we all have to swing exactly the same way, despite the fact that we are all different, have different tempos, controllers, systems and internet connections. For the lucky ones that this particular tempo and swing plane fits, you can just work out your shot and hit it; if not you're buggered. It feels as though I have to perform open heart surgery with every swing; it's literally amazing that I'm getting anywhere near the top of leaderboards with the inconsistent junk that I'm having to put up with. I'd just like one tournament where I had a perfect swing to see where I would end up. My rounds are taking 35 minutes plus, as apposed to 25 minutes in previous (better) versions of this game, because it feels as though somebody put a hedgehog in my hand, rather than a DS4. Nice shooting Vitaly, congrats on the win if the score holds. There has to be some parameters in what makes a good swing in a golf game. In this one it's about keeping it in the cone, or at least that's how it's supposed to be but as we know there is an exploit which some have taken advantage of. Keeping the swing in the cone should be thought of as a test of skill, not a hindrance. Too many were happy to use the exploit and swing it all over the bloody place. Glad that's been sorted in this society anyway. Tempo is another thing , we all get it bad at times. Most players could complain about something or other. I'm currently playing with a busted controller, takes 5 or 6 attempts to complete a backswing and the right stick tends to float just when I'm about to hit. Won't be getting a new one until the game shops open up again. Was ranked 12th in the world at one time but that's now sinking faster than a whores drawers. The backswing thing - is it an old original DS4 or a new Mk2 with the light bar on the touch pad?
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Posts: 144
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Post by ClassAct147 on Jun 9, 2020 17:03:53 GMT -5
It's the newest version
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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 9, 2020 17:12:20 GMT -5
I'm down in Euro🤗, thought I would chip in on Jacko's flop because, well, I'min a mood 😁. I think that a good rule would be "if nobody in their right mind would putt this in real life, no chance, nada, than it should be okay to chip, flop, or hit a 5% full driver if the player chooses." The argument that he should putt it is ridiculous. The argument for a DQ is more ridiculous. That is how amendments are made. Make that one and move on.
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