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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 9, 2020 5:55:29 GMT -5
I hit a $hit ton of shots outside the cone in Euro (not near majority though), some of which were 1/2 inch or more outside, and as such, asked Doyley to let me know if I would pass PGA API. The answer was yes. This leads me to believe it's more than just the "majority" but also the consistency/placement/location of all your cone misses. If your misses bundle up in one spot I'd imagine you'll have a hard time with the API, otherwise, I think you're fine. There's always the WD option in R2 from the 18th fairway lol `_^. Please don't!! Could be funny though!! Pro Tip: It's not. It's a % of shots past a certain deviation.
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Post by hippystein on Jun 9, 2020 5:56:41 GMT -5
I putted it and didnt hit it far enough and it went up the ridge got to apex and came back to my feet leaving me same putt again so i 4 putted it for double. I could of flopped it and made 3 easy but putted it. The rule states that if fringe is obstructing your line to the hole. Which yours wasnt sorry dude. I think certain shots you should be able to play chips on greens. You can in real life. Aint like weve gotta repair any damage. Its a game.👍👍👍
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 9, 2020 6:00:48 GMT -5
unplayable with the putter ?
It's wild, but that was the line I saw! Regardless, as the rules state, the fringe obstructed the line.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 9, 2020 6:02:29 GMT -5
The rule states that if fringe is obstructing your line to the hole. No it doesn't Scott.
"The "putting line" is the line that the player wishes his ball to take after a stroke on the putting green".
"Line to the hole" isn't mentioned. And the green was so severe there was no line to the hole.
The only way to get it anywhere close was to do what Nick did above and hit it through the fringe.
Arguing that the fringe isn't in the way when you're forced to hit through the fringe to get it within 20 feet is just downright illogical.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 9, 2020 6:03:43 GMT -5
I putted it and didnt hit it far enough and it went up the ridge got to apex and came back to my feet leaving me same putt again so i 4 putted it for double. I could of flopped it and made 3 easy but putted it. The rule states that if fringe is obstructing your line to the hole. Which yours wasnt sorry dude. I think certain shots you should be able to play chips on greens. You can in real life. Aint like weve gotta repair any damage. Its a game.👍👍👍 Don't agree with that one mate. To get within a reasonable distance, it needed to be putted off the green. I do agree that in some instances, flops / chips should be allowed, but that's another story.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 9, 2020 6:05:28 GMT -5
Just the 2 so far folks:
Alex - Braz (4) and a UK - Gaz (2)
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Post by hippystein on Jun 9, 2020 6:08:08 GMT -5
I had same putt dude! but if your saying the line you wish your ball to take why not just aim off the green everytime amd chip everything you dont like the look of! The amount of putts weve had this year that youve got no chance of stopping on the green coming down a ridge. But I wanted to play it that way so oh look i can flop it now. Bet you didnt play the flop on the line you were going to putt on? ?
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Post by nick80 on Jun 9, 2020 7:05:01 GMT -5
unplayable with the putter ?
This video actually proves my point.
Rule states the putter is not mandatory if the fringe is intruding the line you wish to take. Given that you were forced into rolling the ball over the fringe, and then back off the fringe to get it into anything like a reasonable position, it's pretty undeniable that the fringe was obstructing your line.
Unless your argument is that the fringe wasn't obstructing your line, even though you had to play right through it? .
I tried 2 times. First was not enough powerfull but the chip was clearly playable for a par. i think this one is a little bit too fast. I didn't post this video to counter your arguments about fringe obstruction, but just because i had the same situation as you and i remembered your post. Those who chip from greens continually are mediocre players so let them looking our butt. I know you are not one of them mate cause i play against your ghost sometimes on societies (when you smashed the course). I have absolutly no problem with your stroke choice Have fun
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 9, 2020 8:33:13 GMT -5
But I also still think in this case that it was reasonable for Jacko to believe his line was through the fringe and so his decision to flop was reasonable. Unfortunately now that I've done this, if I face the same situation, it won't be reasonable for me to flop. Ignorance is bliss I guess. FYI, just played my 1st round, was confident I would be very careful with 16 but obviously I fasted my tee shot and ended up with the same shot. I flopped it as well, and this is especially damning since earlier in this very thread I said that if I did that I would be guilty. I should have updated that statement once I saw Nick's video showing that the best line definitely is through the fringe. Anyway, I should probably be DQ'd. For sure if Jacko is DQ'd, I am. But even if he's not, with my bold statement quoted, I probably should.
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Post by mattyfromcanada on Jun 9, 2020 9:18:26 GMT -5
Also, real quick I just wanted to say for the weird putt on 16, there's actually a way to play it close to the hole if you go way left and play it off the mound short of the green. It's hard, but possible.
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 9, 2020 10:06:18 GMT -5
I had same putt dude! but if your saying the line you wish your ball to take why not just aim off the green everytime amd chip everything you dont like the look of! The amount of putts weve had this year that youve got no chance of stopping on the green coming down a ridge. But I wanted to play it that way so oh look i can flop it now. Bet you didnt play the flop on the line you were going to putt on? ? That was a good point, about flopping on same line.
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 9, 2020 10:13:16 GMT -5
I had same putt dude! but if your saying the line you wish your ball to take why not just aim off the green everytime amd chip everything you dont like the look of! The amount of putts weve had this year that youve got no chance of stopping on the green coming down a ridge. But I wanted to play it that way so oh look i can flop it now. Bet you didnt play the flop on the line you were going to putt on? ? That was a good point, about flopping on same line. I don't understand that point. Why would you flop on the same line? There's nothing in the rules saying your chip / flop shot has to follow the same line as your putt would. And practically speaking, flopping it towards the hole removes 95% of the break, so why would you play for a mile of break? I think I'm missing something.
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 9, 2020 10:24:27 GMT -5
That was a good point, about flopping on same line. I don't understand that point. Why would you flop on the same line? There's nothing in the rules saying your chip / flop shot has to follow the same line as your putt would. And practically speaking, flopping it towards the hole removes 95% of the break, so why would you play for a mile of break? I think I'm missing something. I would bet 90% would putt that because of the rules. Some will flop and hope to not get caught. Personally to me there is no line unless you purposely use the fringe to hold it back. So that is the line. Flopping it takes away all the penalty and is an advantage. I have no horse in this race so I don’t care if it’s a DQ but I just think something better than asking for leniency needs to be in place. Especially for these dumb unrealistic putts. I bet most on here have been screwed over in the past. Maybe the rangers can identify these ahead of time and a ruling is made before the tourneys?
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Amateur Golfer
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Post by wmr5277 on Jun 9, 2020 10:40:43 GMT -5
Very fun course. Plenty fair and something different which I enjoy.
I putted it solidly at 50% long putt. But my short shots with the wedges was a disaster all week. Flop game just wasn't there.
Parred 3 par 5s and parred 4 or so of the driveable par 4s.
Tied Brad with a -48. And reading Brad's post....just wow. Rotten luck. Damn. It's hard to believe. I did also par 18 and 17. But birdied 16. Still 5 days left however. I hope for your sake someone blitzes us with a -55. It's out there for sure.
I'll post a couple of my rounds on my Youtube soon for all the moaners in the audience.
Looking forward to next week!
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Post by alexandre on Jun 9, 2020 10:42:22 GMT -5
Fadgewacker, As I said in the first topic: "I did not like the field and the speed of the green. I'm not going to worry about crooked or straight shots." I really played relaxed. But what hurts me is this: When I'm pulled by the API - my score disappears (even if it wasn't published the next lap) almost instantly. And I get a warning from the administrators. Not this time. The total score of my turns were visible for a long time, being withdrawn after my comment regarding rule interpretation. What's more: So far I haven't received any email from administrators regarding my DQ. Far from conspiracy theory, but all indications are that I was removed manually - not by the API. It's been clear for a long time that I'm not welcome here. It's not the first time I've questioned something, I'm punished. Once, after a DQ. I explained in this forum what happened and I was kicked out of the forum. With others did not occur the same... I was punished for a few months and respected the period - others made new accounts... Anyway: Maybe one or two read or i'm writing, because probably, after this comment, my account will disappear again. The obvious would be that I will never speak again. Of course it could read everything that is posted, but it is not the same thing. I've always enjoyed dialogue. Anyway, thank you. I don't know if I can play from now on. On the face of it, this DQ is not clear to me. I'd be less suspicious if I'd gotten the e-mail. Oh! I played relaxed because I wanted to. Sometimes it's a torment to keep neither too straight nor too crooked. The TGC 21K won't fix that. Just the 2 so far folks: Alex - Braz (4) and a UK - Gaz (2)
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