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Post by Kenny on Jun 7, 2020 10:49:07 GMT -5
First round in at -10. Some round for Mr Garcia ๐๐ป๐๐ป๐๐ป๐๐ป
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jun 7, 2020 10:50:35 GMT -5
Anyway, i'm flopping it. If it's a breach i'll take the DQ. Should be a DQ in my book. If that is legal then we need to revise the rules because I have bit the bullet and putted many similar shots.
I understand you are contending your line would go to the fringe because you think that would slow the ball down? Because there is definitely a line to the hole that doesn't go over the fringe in your video
Good example of how the course is tricked up in all the wrong ways
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 7, 2020 11:08:25 GMT -5
Anyway, i'm flopping it. If it's a breach i'll take the DQ. Should be a DQ in my book. If that is legal then we need to revise the rules because I have bit the bullet and putted many similar shots.
I understand you are contending your line would go to the fringe because you think that would slow the ball down? Because there is definitely a line to the hole that doesn't go over the fringe in your video
Good example of how the course is tricked up in all the wrong ways
For me it's not about slowing it down. If the green was extended indefinitely right, I think the line would be where the fringe now is. Any putt to this hole has to be very slow going down that hill, and if you're not a mile right, I think it's going to run a mile a left. To me it's no question this is floppable (it's a very "feely" putt, and it's hard to get the feel right for me watching a video without a controller in my hands, so take my current confidence with a grain of salt). But even if there is a line not through the fringe, I think the biggest issue is that he believed, in good faith, that the line would go through the fringe, and so, if I'm reading the rules correctly, he doesn't need to putt it. I'm going to try to recreate the putt and see what happens. Will report back any findings (I'm bored). (Unless this is considered a no no since the tournament is still live and it's a potential shot for others)
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 7, 2020 11:15:18 GMT -5
I would have putted it and had the exact putt in practice. It went over the hole off the green. So be it. I wonโt say itโs a DQ but I just donโt take any chances.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 11:19:01 GMT -5
Anyway, i'm flopping it. If it's a breach i'll take the DQ. Should be a DQ in my book. If that is legal then we need to revise the rules because I have bit the bullet and putted many similar shots.
I understand you are contending your line would go to the fringe because you think that would slow the ball down? Because there is definitely a line to the hole that doesn't go over the fringe in your video
Good example of how the course is tricked up in all the wrong ways
I just played the back 9 only and put the ball to within a foot of where Jacko was, my golfer is maxed out in size so might look different. I would have tried again hitting a bit harder but it seems as though you dont have an unplayable option when playing 9 holes? Great job HB.
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 7, 2020 11:22:47 GMT -5
Should be a DQ in my book. If that is legal then we need to revise the rules because I have bit the bullet and putted many similar shots.
I understand you are contending your line would go to the fringe because you think that would slow the ball down? Because there is definitely a line to the hole that doesn't go over the fringe in your video
Good example of how the course is tricked up in all the wrong ways
I just played the back 9 only and put the ball to within a foot of where Jacko was, my golfer is maxed out in size so might look different. I would have tried again hitting a bit harder but it seems as though you dont have an unplayable option when playing 9 holes? Great job HB. Yeah, I learned that a while ago, a very stupid bug. I'm speed playing a practice round now to get to 16.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jun 7, 2020 11:30:44 GMT -5
I want to clarify, I donโt think Jack SHOULD deserve a DQ, but the way we have the rules you will have a lot of guys putting that to avoid possibility of a DQ. Something should be added that if the ball cannot he stopped within 10 or 15 ft or whatever is a reasonable distance then chipping is allowed, or we should just stop playing courses where this type of leave can happen.
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 7, 2020 11:35:26 GMT -5
Maybe the best thing to do is to quit your round and ask for advice on these type of putts. Iโve been burned numerous times on ridiculous putts wether 5 ft uphill or downhill. Personally, I donโt really care but I might if I had a chance to win and I lost a stroke or 2 on that hole.
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 7, 2020 11:48:12 GMT -5
I was able to recreate the putt, and it was a sh**show. I now believe there is no line that will take that ball over the hole, aside from maybe hitting it with like 80 feet of pace. (there's definitely no way to stop a putt near the hole, I don't think that was ever in doubt though). My first few attempts at putting it towards the fringe at my "ideal line" wound up not making it to the fringe, and then doing something very weird after.
So I agree that greens like this should not exist simultaneously with the no chip rule.
But I also still think in this case that it was reasonable for Jacko to believe his line was through the fringe and so his decision to flop was reasonable. Unfortunately now that I've done this, if I face the same situation, it won't be reasonable for me to flop. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
It's good to have a debate again! All we need now is for mysterious accounts to start coming out of the woodwork to defend Jacko.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 7, 2020 11:53:36 GMT -5
Anyway, i'm flopping it. If it's a breach i'll take the DQ.
Because there is definitely a line to the hole that doesn't go over the fringe in your video
There may well be (if i hit it way way too hard), but the line i would have needed to take at the speed i wanted to hit it would have been something like this, straight into the fairway to the right of me. In all likelihood the green being as slick as it is it was an impossble shot. But that's the line i would have taken if the green was deeper.
The rule says you can flop if the fringe or fairway is impeding your chosen line. And IMO it was.
I'll take the bullet if that's the decision. This is what we get for playing these absurd green complexes i guess.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 7, 2020 11:57:06 GMT -5
Anyway - i finished 60-59 for a -44 total.
Went Eagle-Albatross @ 4/5 in R3. Silly bogies @ 18 in R3 and then 1 in R4 and finished strong.
Not quite sure how i put up that number as the swing was mostly all over the place. Had several great escapes.
So it will either be a very solid finish or a DQ
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 7, 2020 12:00:37 GMT -5
, but the way we have the rules you will have a lot of guys putting that to avoid possibility of a DQ. This is true. But you'll also get plenty who do flop and hope that nobody notices.
I hope i get some credit for calling out myself
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Post by blueorfe on Jun 7, 2020 12:36:50 GMT -5
Played early for a change, ended up at -48. Had a ridiculous -16 in round one, then three consistent rounds scoring wise, where I played some good stuff and some atrocious stuff. I played the course in the Pure Ace's Society and went -14 for two rounds, so I have to be happy with my total today. I had a couple of chip-ins, but also had some rotten luck with good looking approaches to these mental greens No idea if that is a good score or not? feels like a great score to me, but I can remember throwing so many shots away, including missing a 4 footer after my poor 7 yard chip came up short: so who knows? Before I go, congratulations to Jeremy, or whoever beats me in a count back this week; especially as I finished with three pars due to f/f tee shots on 17 and 18 that left me on some wicked slopes! We all know that it's going to happen Good luck all
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Post by titan30003 on Jun 7, 2020 12:43:04 GMT -5
Ha, well it's good to win on my home soil, thanks for the pre-emptive congratulations. I'm hopeful this means I don't actually have to play (not a fan of the course) and Doyley can just give me a -48 with a birdie on the 17th in round 4.
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Post by hippystein on Jun 7, 2020 14:04:55 GMT -5
Congrats brad on win this week dude. No one will touch that -48 This week dude. Thought the course was a complete sh%$ show. New pads been performing ok and then miss 3 6ft putts that said left lip and went left and stayed straight. It looks nice but plays pants. Had 2 double bogies on 10 from inside 15yrds after tee shot. Had a 4ft birdie putt that said was breaking left to right not move and run off the green. I probably wont make the cut cos just lost the will to live in 1st round and speed golfed thru 4 so dont have to turn this mess on again till next weekend!
Have fun all. Im going to put wasps in my arse!
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