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Post by Ashton Fox on Jun 20, 2020 12:41:08 GMT -5
I know I said I wasn't going to speak but I'm not going to be silent about injustice.
Here we go with more arbitrary applications of the rules. I completed rounds 3 and 4 YESTERDAY and saw that other people were getting scores put in but not mine. Thought that was strange. Check the spreadsheet today and my scores have not been posted and a substitute has been used.
No message from the "Admin team" notifying me of any of these proceedings. I know that each of my posts is being combed for any reason to kick me out so I'll hold my tongue from what I really want to say.
So not only did I get an all of a sudden, brand spanking new penalty, I've also been passively aggressively cut out of the league. Whether you like me or not, you have to agree they are making up the rules as they go (without warning or justification) and it's VERY clear who and why.
What's more, it says there will be substitute scores used. So rounds 1 and 2 don't get substitute scores but rounds 3 and 4 do? How does that make any sense? That's an inappropriate application of your own rule you just made up!
So before your say that I'm complaining or being the victim, put yourself in my shoes:
- Was administered a brand new penalty that just came on the scene now and without warning - Never received any direct correspondence from the "Admin team" regarding the issue - After finishing my 3 and 4 rounds, they have been substituted out (again without any correspondence from the "Admin team")
Not a word. Again, I know who this is coming from and why. Not very professional.
Oh, but thanks for finally giving me the week 1 green box. I appreciate it 😉😉
EDIT: Shortly after I posted this, things were changed on the spreadsheet as I caught them with their pants around their ankles. Still no correspondence.
I know that someone suggested this be taken care of through PMs but I'm trying to make everyone aware of how the league is being run now.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jun 20, 2020 13:39:17 GMT -5
The Admin Team no longer accepts this and has decided that this week, and any other week that this happens, we assume any player who does not post his scores for his first two rounds by early Thursday morning BST, and fails to inform the Admin Team about the pressing reasons why this was impossible before the same deadline, does not want to play that week. We will use a replacement score from an appropriate TGCTOURS player in the same tour, so that the team of that player still has a chance at some points. That player will receive 0 points for the individual standings and a score of PAR for four rounds for the divisions. the Admin Team (Art, Mark, Paul, Ben, Frans and Greg) Ashton FoxThe previous message stated, quite clearly, that that none of the four rounds will count, a substitute will be used. I will contact you by pm to address your concerns. It should be pointed out that the Admins volunteer a great deal of time to this league, and not simply because we have no lives as you seem to believe, but we get pleasure from providing an enhancement of the TGC Tours experience. What I haven't really got time for is this hassle.
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Post by honeybadger64 on Jun 20, 2020 13:44:22 GMT -5
First an apology to Ashton Fox for omitting to colour him green after transferring his scores and points to other sheets. It was an unfortunate oversight on my part and in no way meant to cause mental anguish and I regret any offence that my mistake has caused. With that out of the way I hereby remove myself from the Dirtbags in every way. My main concern is what I will do with the 20-30 hours a week I have given myself. It was mostly a pleasure to put time and effort into trying to create an enjoyable fun competition for like-minded folk. This is no longer the case so lots of luck lady and gentlemen but my bucket of patience is exhausted. Once a Dirtbag, then not a Dirtbag, then a Dirtbag then not a Dirtbag.
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Post by lessangster on Jun 20, 2020 14:14:02 GMT -5
This whole issue should have been handled via PM
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Post by fransslabak on Jun 20, 2020 14:18:15 GMT -5
Dear all,
I had drafted most of this message about an hour ago but instead of finishing it, I decided to discuss the latest escalation in this society with my fellow Admin Team members in a final attempt to contribute to resolving the matter.
Unfortunately, Greg's resignation shows that this is now no longer possible.
Therefore, this will be my final post in this thread and it is also my final post as a Dirtbag.
I joined Dirtbags quite some time ago because I play pixel golf to enjoy myself and being a member of the Dirtbags was a way to have even more fun. I joined the Admin Team to assist in trying to make sure the latter could be ensured not just for me but for all other Dirtbags.
Unfortunately, I have clearly failed as an Admin because this society is no longer the fun place it was. For that, I apologise to all Dirtbags that have given so much to make this such a fun place for such a long time.
Unfortunately, being a Dirtbag also does not make playing pixel golf more fun for me anymore. I therefore resign from this society effective immediately.
I want to thank all of you for putting up with me and making this a fun place for so long. I also thank all current and former Admins for making this a fun place for such a long time. Special thanks go to Greg and Ben for all the time and effort they invested in trying to keep Dirtbags going for so long.
Hope to have some more online pixel golf fun with many of you but, unfortunately, that will have to happen outside of this society.
Best wishes Frans
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Post by Loftyando on Jun 20, 2020 14:40:37 GMT -5
4th round -5 -28 for the week. Really frustrated. Hated this course, it gave me every red and yellow lie and bad bounce available. Leon, since I refuse to play the pro clubs to be competitive, I would not hold it against you if you booted me in favor of someone else. Nah you're stuck with the gasms for the season.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Jun 20, 2020 15:30:39 GMT -5
Its unfortunate to see both Greg and Frans leaving as they contributed a lot to the society. I do believe that it could've been dealt with better but I'm not going to get dragged into the details. But if the admins need any help just now let me know.
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Post by up mup kupen nup on Jun 20, 2020 15:35:01 GMT -5
But if the admins need any help just now let me know. I'm available as well.
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Post by Ashton Fox on Jun 20, 2020 15:46:10 GMT -5
I would like to echo what Pat and Kevin have said about helping out and offer to do anything I can as well. I probably shouldn't be in the PR department at this current time but I'm very much willing to help grab scores, update spreadsheets, or do anything to help keep the Dirtbags running.
I've said all along and this hasn't changed that I love this group and want it to succeed. If that means I need to just shut up and play my rounds or if it's me helping crunch numbers, I will do it. This is a critical time for us to come together this season as we've lost people mid-season before but not 2 admin team members at the same time.
I also understand that there may be some anger towards me for what has occured this week. I validate any and all of those feelings. I hope that if you feel upset with me to please PM me so that we can work it out. I will not respond to anything on the main board because that is not the place for it.
I also understand if I've burned a bridge with you and there is no coming back. I just hope that we can continue to exist in the Dirtbags universe peacefully together.
Again, please let me know if there is anything I can do to help, otherwise I will be positive, communicate, and get my rounds in on time.
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Post by evilgrin72 on Jun 20, 2020 17:48:00 GMT -5
This is all most unfortunate.
As long as this season is still moving along as planned, I'll keep playing my rounds. Although my father repeatedly lamented my endeavors in the world of frivolity rather than self-betterment, he did instill one lesson to which I hold true to this day. I was never permitted to walk away from a team/person/task once I'd made a commitment to them/him/it. Although my continued play may only be the difference between losing 24-0 or 22-2 🤣, I'll keep plugging. I owe that to Paul, Mike, and Ken.
I think it's time for a new iteration of this society. I'm looking forward to discussing it with many of you as well as contributing my unique melange of idiocy and wildly inconsistent but high-upside pixel golf. That is, if you'll have me. Take that as you will, I've had about 6 cocktails already today and am game for almost anything.
Yours in Christ,
Senor Bollocks
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Post by catcherman22 on Jun 20, 2020 18:05:57 GMT -5
I would encourage honeybadger64 and fransslabak to stick it out to the end of this season. As somebody who volunteers a ton of time, I know what it's like to get slammed in posts. You don't do what you do for the recognition.. you do it because you love to do it. You clearly stated what the rule was and what would happen. I don't think you need to say anything else. This is the last season of dirtbags in tgc 19 anyway, so I would encourage you all to finish the season and then take a much needed mental health break in the last couple of weeks leading up to 2k21 and then start anew once the tours get back up and running in September.
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Post by katana22 on Jun 21, 2020 0:24:10 GMT -5
Well this all went south in hurry, I would like to echo what catcherman22 said, the dirtbags need you both honeybadger64 & fransslabak, please reconsider. I do believe that if both parties got together on discord where you could hear each other voice to voice it would make it easier for everyone to come to some sort of understanding and a way for everyone more forward together. With that said if there is anything I can do moving forward to help the dirtbags I'm more than happy to help in anyway that is needed.
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Post by Riotous on Jun 21, 2020 1:15:53 GMT -5
New round these parts but just want to publicly request that honeybadger64 fransslabak return to the group, I've enjoyed the last few weeks more than the previous 11 months that i've had the game, and you two play a major part in that. I'm sure that there's more behind the scenes issues, but on the face of it Ashton Fox has said he'll get his initial rounds in early and the rest of us can all be a bit more positive and appreciative, you're all Dirtbags, you've had fun times in here in the past, so lets Make Dirtbags Great Again for ya. If you'd like to share any of the admin burden please just let me know. Frans, no problem if you want one week off because i'm desperate for the points in the Catchermans cup
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Post by honeybadger64 on Jun 21, 2020 2:59:58 GMT -5
Week 3 is finalised on the score sheet. I have made it that anyone with the link can edit the sheet so whoever takes over scoring the season can make a copy if they so wish.
I am pleased that so many of you are stepping forward to move Dirtbags forward in the right direction and would politely ask for no more tags.
Again lady and gents all the best for your pixel golfing.
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Post by sid snott on Jun 21, 2020 3:13:48 GMT -5
I would like at least finish off season 9. What's needed is a couple of people to do the score sheets as it's to much for one volunteer. I don't have the time or skills to do the score sheets so I'm hoping some of you can put yourselves forward. It may mean creating a new spreadsheet as last time I checked Greg was the only one with access. The play the first two rds by Wednesday night/Thursday morning has been a unwritten rule that came about as we grew and was decided by the admin to enforce more to more things run more smoothly for the scoring and the press office. I would like to keep this rule to help with the smooth running of the Dirtbags. As of the moment the Tolle Guttis need a new captain/player, maybe one of the other team members would like take up the captains role and the Sons of Pitches need a replacement player. If any one knows of suitable replacements, put them forward for consideration. No fancy stuff on the match ups this week, Don't have in it me at the mo Match ups below
Match 1
Cupid Stunts v Sons of Pitches
Rds 1 & 2
Ken v Sam Johnny Chuck
Mike R v Peter Paul ?
Rd 3
Ken v Peter Johnny v ? Mike R v Sam Paul v Chuck
Rd 4
Ken v ? Johnny v Peter Mike R v Chuck Paul v Sam
Match 2
A Round with ALES v Kako
Rds 1 & 2
Art v Ashton Ernie Randy
Simon v Pat Les Wes
Rd 3
Art v Pat Ernie v Wes Simon v Ashton Les v Randy
Rd 4
Art v Wes Ernie v Pat Simon v Randy Les v Ashton
Match 3
The Foregasms v Kopplabunz*
Rds 1 & 2
Leon v Kevin E Carol Andrew
Bill v Martin Pablo Ben
Rd 3
Leon v Martin Carol v Ben Bill v Kevin E Pablo v Andrew
Rd 4
Complete & Putter Madness v Tolle Guttis
Leon v Ben Carol v Martin Bill v Andrew Pablo v Kevin E
Match 4
Rds 1 & 2
Marc v ? Mike G Mark
Hunter v Kevin D David Jeff
Rd 3
Marc v Kevin D Mike G v Jeff Hunter v ? David v Mark
Rd 4
Marc v Jeff Mike G v Kevin D Hunter v Mark David v ?
Good luck.
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