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Post by greyosprey on May 31, 2020 19:54:12 GMT -5
Or how about the new "add ball spin while in mid air cam" in the upcoming game. The SIM heads are going to love that. Yea, we will probably say it's arcade and unrealistic, because it is, and then simply turn it off or not use it like we already do with certain aids now. Not that big a deal for us; we'll adjust like always. Not sure the derogatory reference to sim players is necessary, but if it makes you feel better, so be it.
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Post by ClassAct147 on Jun 1, 2020 11:18:45 GMT -5
Or how about the new "add ball spin while in mid air cam" in the upcoming game. The SIM heads are going to love that. Yea, we will probably say it's arcade and unrealistic, because it is, and then simply turn it off or not use it like we already do with certain aids now. Not that big a deal for us; we'll adjust like always. Not sure the derogatory reference to sim players is necessary, but if it makes you feel better, so be it. Wasn't meant to be derogatory to anyone. More of a dig at where this game may be heading. I'm not a fan of arcade rubbish either, and I'm feeling okay thanks.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 4, 2020 5:01:56 GMT -5
Lol, I think it's fair to say that one or two True Sim players come across as having a bit of a superiority complex, but it's no skin off my nose. Play the game how you best enjoy it and let others do the same, simple.
I've tried it a few times, I'd like it a lot more if the green slopes were a bit easier to see. It's way harder than reading a green in real life. Kind of hoping we get an option like on the old EA games where you could keep the grids but turn the beads off, I used to like playing like that.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 4, 2020 5:36:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say that, at all...
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 4, 2020 6:28:38 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say that, at all... Whatever, it doesn't really matter. That's just how I perceive it, and clearly I'm not the only one with that perception.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 4, 2020 7:09:39 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say that, at all... Whatever, it doesn't really matter. That's just how I perceive it, and clearly I'm not the only one with that perception. Suggesting how to make the game more realistic and saying how you personally would like the game to improve are both nothing to do with how the game "should" be played, or the "best" way to play the game. They are personal preferences. I haven't seen any sim player, in this thread or the 2k21 thread say others should play sim. Maybe the people perceiving it are the sensitive ones...
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 4, 2020 8:23:09 GMT -5
Whatever, it doesn't really matter. That's just how I perceive it, and clearly I'm not the only one with that perception. Suggesting how to make the game more realistic and saying how you personally would like the game to improve are both nothing to do with how the game "should" be played, or the "best" way to play the game. They are personal preferences. I haven't seen any sim player, in this thread or the 2k21 thread say others should play sim. Maybe the people perceiving it are the sensitive ones... A bit defensive aren't we Leon? I didn't actually say any of that! I said ONE OR TWO True Sim players COME ACROSS as having a bit of a superiority complex. Mainly on account they bang on about it at any given opportunity, sometimes without any reference to whatever the thread in question was about in the first place. We get it, you like playing with the aids off! I'm very glad you've found such a superior version of the game to play, I'll just crawl back in my hole with my inferior green grids and scout cams. Oh wait, very fast, doesn't matter anyway.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 4, 2020 8:45:38 GMT -5
Suggesting how to make the game more realistic and saying how you personally would like the game to improve are both nothing to do with how the game "should" be played, or the "best" way to play the game. They are personal preferences. I haven't seen any sim player, in this thread or the 2k21 thread say others should play sim. Maybe the people perceiving it are the sensitive ones... A bit defensive aren't we Leon? I didn't actually say any of that! I said ONE OR TWO True Sim players COME ACROSS as having a bit of a superiority complex. Mainly on account they bang on about it at any given opportunity, sometimes without any reference to whatever the thread in question was about in the first place. We get it, you like playing with the aids off! I'm very glad you've found such a superior version of the game to play, I'll just crawl back in my hole with my inferior green grids and scout cams. Oh wait, very fast, doesn't matter anyway. Dude, you just called me defensive and then came out with: "I'm very glad you've found such a superior version of the game to play, I'll just crawl back in my hole with my inferior green grids and scout cams. Oh wait, very fast, doesn't matter anyway" Really?? No, you don't need "crawl back under your rock," stay here and say what you want to say! Just find this narrative you're creating a bit tough to accept, when you have entered this thread with what you can surely understand was a comment others might find "challenging." Nothing wrong with that! But just accept that's what it is, and people might want to respond to that?! All I said initially was that I didn't agree with you. Then you've carried it on with more challenging comments about "superiority complexes." I honestly don't think I've even been "defensive!" If responding equals "defensive," then ok, I guess so. Just find it a bit odd that you seem to think people shouldn't or won't respond to the kind of comment you made there. You're saying they're all over other threads saying how much better sim is. Would your care to provide any examples? To me, the 2k21 thread and a follow cam thread are entirely relevant to sim play. Other than that, i don't see sim play mentioned that often, quite honestly. Fair enough if you're only saying ONE or TWO people talk like that, but there seems to have been a lot of generalising going on. Again, I don't know anyone from USE who talks that way. Come over and look at our forum and see if you can find any evidence of it. I'm not on tst, but if you'd like to provide examples from there, go for it. If it really is just "one or two" out of loads of people who play it, maybe it shouldn't be presented in the way it has in this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 16:09:07 GMT -5
Suggesting how to make the game more realistic and saying how you personally would like the game to improve are both nothing to do with how the game "should" be played, or the "best" way to play the game. They are personal preferences. I haven't seen any sim player, in this thread or the 2k21 thread say others should play sim. Maybe the people perceiving it are the sensitive ones... A bit defensive aren't we Leon? I didn't actually say any of that! I said ONE OR TWO True Sim players COME ACROSS as having a bit of a superiority complex. Mainly on account they bang on about it at any given opportunity, sometimes without any reference to whatever the thread in question was about in the first place. We get it, you like playing with the aids off! I'm very glad you've found such a superior version of the game to play, I'll just crawl back in my hole with my inferior green grids and scout cams. Oh wait, very fast, doesn't matter anyway. This attitude really annoys me, yes I did criticise TST when I was in an admin but also I do now. Maybe because I want a TRUE sim mode, whether TGCTours or TST want that if the opportunity is in the new game we'll see. I haven't seen anyone from USE saying there should be no grids, loft box or no follow cam for everyone, I have never once criticised anyone for playing with aids, I say play the game as you like. But remember when you say you can't read no grid greens , the putting stats for no grid greens are WAY lower than real life. No grid putting is much easier than the PGA Tour in real life, from EVERY distance. I think the general feeling here is the real game is much easier than it really is. Putting in real life is harder as is distance control even without the loft box.I love real golf I play and watch it to death and want this game to be as realistic as possible.I just don't like arcade sports games full stop, I will always go for the sim setting because of immersion.Golf is an extremely difficult sport 40 under plus is not the norm, that's not golf to me.
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Post by theduke21 on Jun 4, 2020 18:28:54 GMT -5
If we're talking about playing the game freely, I think have no follow cam with the option to click X to switch to follow cam is the best option aesthetically. You get the pleasure of watching your ball flight from below and tracking it to the pin before panning up and seeing where it ended up.
My issue with staying behind the player the whole time is the depth perception and long distance vision on this game stink. Just not overly enjoyable to be so blind so much of the time unless it's an exaggerated views course that makes sure you're always looking down at your target, which is another issue of itself.
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Post by FRSTDWN on Jun 4, 2020 18:46:34 GMT -5
A bit defensive aren't we Leon? I didn't actually say any of that! I said ONE OR TWO True Sim players COME ACROSS as having a bit of a superiority complex. Mainly on account they bang on about it at any given opportunity, sometimes without any reference to whatever the thread in question was about in the first place. We get it, you like playing with the aids off! I'm very glad you've found such a superior version of the game to play, I'll just crawl back in my hole with my inferior green grids and scout cams. Oh wait, very fast, doesn't matter anyway. This attitude really annoys me, yes I did criticise TST when I was in an admin but also I do now. Maybe because I want a TRUE sim mode, whether TGCTours or TST want that if the opportunity is in the new game we'll see. I haven't seen anyone from USE saying there should be no grids, loft box or no follow cam for everyone, I have never once criticised anyone for playing with aids, I say play the game as you like. But remember when you say you can't read no grid greens , the putting stats for no grid greens are WAY lower than real life. No grid putting is much easier than the PGA Tour in real life, from EVERY distance. I think the general feeling here is the real game is much easier than it really is. Putting in real life is harder as is distance control even without the loft box.I love real golf I play and watch it to death and want this game to be as realistic as possible.I just don't like arcade sports games full stop, I will always go for the sim setting because of immersion.Golf is an extremely difficult sport 40 under plus is not the norm, that's not golf to me. Immersion is the key word. I think a lot of sim guys wish more people would give no assists a real try. We feel like you are missing out on a great experience. That's all it really is. Kinda like that first time you ride a bike without training wheels. I kid ...😄
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jun 5, 2020 17:55:33 GMT -5
If we're talking about playing the game freely, I think have no follow cam with the option to click X to switch to follow cam is the best option aesthetically. You get the pleasure of watching your ball flight from below and tracking it to the pin before panning up and seeing where it ended up. My issue with staying behind the player the whole time is the depth perception and long distance vision on this game stink. Just not overly enjoyable to be so blind so much of the time unless it's an exaggerated views course that makes sure you're always looking down at your target, which is another issue of itself. Exactly these two points. From 200 yards away, I can see the ball rolling better than the game shows it, IRL. I try not to think about the 'every tee raised' thing, really. I don't have it on 'auto' or whatever, only use follow cam until the ball gets to the green. Then one of the other 2 views is more TV-like. I'm one of those 'miss by 5 inches on every long putt' guys, so watching the line is only going to help me on shots that are too long, and that's rarely a wise choice (more greens slope up from the front, right ?) I'm 85-95% on short putts, so if it ends up close, I don't need the aid, either. IRL, I'm not frozen in place post-shot and can sprint up hills, around trees, or walk in behind my putts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 14:06:23 GMT -5
If we're talking about playing the game freely, I think have no follow cam with the option to click X to switch to follow cam is the best option aesthetically. You get the pleasure of watching your ball flight from below and tracking it to the pin before panning up and seeing where it ended up. My issue with staying behind the player the whole time is the depth perception and long distance vision on this game stink. Just not overly enjoyable to be so blind so much of the time unless it's an exaggerated views course that makes sure you're always looking down at your target, which is another issue of itself. But how much vision perspective do you actually get irl even from an elevated lie it always looks closer to the hole till you walk up to the green. Why should you see the ball land and roll out from an uphill shot it's a blind shot as it is in real life,you wouldn't get that extremely close up read of the ball roll out IRL and why should you get it in a sim mode. I holed out from 95 yards irl a few years ago, didn't realise it till I walk up to the green. No follow Cam simulates golf, I can’t understand the arguement to have it on in a sim mode. Remember I am talking about sim mode not aids assist golf.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 14:26:34 GMT -5
Also I might ruffle a few feathers on TGCTours but the actual top tour is TST because it is the highest difficulty you play on the tours. That is where TGCTours elite standings should be based on.
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Post by theduke21 on Jun 6, 2020 15:33:10 GMT -5
If we're talking about playing the game freely, I think have no follow cam with the option to click X to switch to follow cam is the best option aesthetically. You get the pleasure of watching your ball flight from below and tracking it to the pin before panning up and seeing where it ended up. My issue with staying behind the player the whole time is the depth perception and long distance vision on this game stink. Just not overly enjoyable to be so blind so much of the time unless it's an exaggerated views course that makes sure you're always looking down at your target, which is another issue of itself. But how much vision perspective do you actually get irl even from an elevated lie it always looks closer to the hole till you walk up to the green. Why should you see the ball land and roll out from an uphill shot it's a blind shot as it is in real life,you wouldn't get that extremely close up read of the ball roll out IRL and why should you get it in a sim mode. I holed out from 95 yards irl a few years ago, didn't realise it till I walk up to the green. No follow Cam simulates golf, I can’t understand the arguement to have it on in a sim mode. Remember I am talking about sim mode not aids assist golf. In a sim mode, sure. I was just talking about classic TGC play though, which is what I think the thread was about. Was just pointing out most of the visuals in the game from behind the golfer look much further away and zoomed out than they would IRL.
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