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Post by SteelVike on May 20, 2020 10:44:55 GMT -5
What are your people's thoughts on elevation changes? What is too much of a uphill/downhill slope for a shot? I am currently building a course for a design contest that has a par 3 with a 200' drop from the top of a hill to the green and a par 5 that has a gradual 170' drop on the tee shot. Is that okay or is that too much?
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Post by lessthanbread on May 20, 2020 11:13:12 GMT -5
Fine by me as long as it looks like it belongs in the overall landscape
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Post by b101 on May 20, 2020 13:57:04 GMT -5
Personally, that’s too much for me. At a certain point, elevation change stops adding to the strategy and becomes the sole strategy. It can also be very forced if it’s too extreme. For me, anything over 100ft on a par 4/5 or 50ft on a par 3 is really pushing it. Even then, you have to break it into smaller chunks - it’s tough with sightlines and playability. Final thought: break it up. It gets dull quickly if every hole is massively up or downhill, but when used sparingly, it can add great drama or a welcome change in hole design.
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Post by progolfsynopsis on May 20, 2020 14:04:18 GMT -5
I definitely try to keep it under 40 feet or so. Although I've had my courses rejected for 'extreme scuplting', so I'm not the best person to ask.
There used to be a course (now closed) called Sugarloaf in Florida. It was a Crenshaw & Coore design. They had one par-3 that was 275 yards long, but it was so steeply sloped downward that I only had to hit my 20* hybrid to hit the green. Still, I didn't like the hole because you couldn't really see the green (which I think is a no-no on par-3's).
The other issue with such steep slopes is that you have fairway to worry about and while it may look nice, super steep slopes and nicely mowed fairways may not be plausible.
PGS
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Post by tpetro on May 20, 2020 15:58:18 GMT -5
I definitely try to keep it under 40 feet or so. Although I've had my courses rejected for 'extreme scuplting', so I'm not the best person to ask. There used to be a course (now closed) called Sugarloaf in Florida. It was a Crenshaw & Coore design. They had one par-3 that was 275 yards long, but it was so steeply sloped downward that I only had to hit my 20* hybrid to hit the green. Still, I didn't like the hole because you couldn't really see the green (which I think is a no-no on par-3's). The other issue with such steep slopes is that you have fairway to worry about and while it may look nice, super steep slopes and nicely mowed fairways may not be plausible. PGS I don't think the issue lies with visuals - there's nothing wrong with hiding a green to any hole using the land movement (think punchbowls). I do agree here and with b101 in that after you get past 40 or 50 feet you've let the elevation change define the hole. I like to think back to another C&C track, Clear Creek, that sits high in the mountains above Tahoe. To get from the low point of the property back up to the clubhouse, they routed holes across the hills, gradually moving upward. Think switchback mountain road.
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Post by b101 on May 20, 2020 16:03:29 GMT -5
Clear Creek Tahoe is great. Helps that they had carte blanche with the site, but it's a proper gem.
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Post by nevadaballin on May 20, 2020 20:28:55 GMT -5
This is me and my crappy swing playing the 15th hole, Par 3 at Lakeridge in Reno. Elevation is 150 ft down. The previous 3 or 4 holes slowly climb their way up to it.
It is a Robert Trent Jones course.
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Post by lessthanbread on May 20, 2020 23:55:57 GMT -5
This is me and my crappy swing playing the 15th hole, Par 3 at Lakeridge in Reno. Elevation is 150 ft down. The previous 3 or 4 holes slowly climb their way up to it. It is a Robert Trent Jones course. Hat turned back! Give ‘er hell wild man! Awesome shot Jimmy
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Post by nevadaballin on May 21, 2020 0:19:38 GMT -5
This is me and my crappy swing playing the 15th hole, Par 3 at Lakeridge in Reno. Elevation is 150 ft down. The previous 3 or 4 holes slowly climb their way up to it. It is a Robert Trent Jones course. Hat turned back! Give ‘er hell wild man! Awesome shot Jimmy Lol yessir! I landed the green and two putted for par on that hole.
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Post by slicermcduff on Jun 11, 2020 10:05:07 GMT -5
This is me and my crappy swing playing the 15th hole, Par 3 at Lakeridge in Reno. Elevation is 150 ft down. The previous 3 or 4 holes slowly climb their way up to it. It is a Robert Trent Jones course. Not a bad swing at all Jimmy! I like the controlled 3/4 back swing. It's hard to tell from one video but it looks to me like maybe you could get your weight more on your left foot to finish but other than that from what I see you have a great swing to build on.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jun 19, 2020 12:33:52 GMT -5
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