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Post by cseanny on Jul 29, 2020 21:28:29 GMT -5
Damn, now its private. Anybody clip this so it can be seen? I recorded it. Mine is also set to private, so PM me and I'll send you the link.
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Post by jcauthen04 on Jul 29, 2020 23:59:16 GMT -5
I'm hoping that the 14 minute gameplay video that was briefly non-private on YouTube today isn't what they were planning to show the YouTube streamers on the 4th, for them to be able to stream and comment on on the 6th. While it was a rather informative video, it's hard to gauge what the gamer reactions to it, at large would be from the scripted reactions of the game's producer and creative director.
I was thinking the streamers might actually be getting their hands on the game code and be playing and testing all aspects of it. Watching and reading their unvarnished reactions to it would tell me most of what I and I'm sure most others want to know about the game. The 14 minute video made no mention of multiplayer, Society mode play, nor the course designer. They've got YouTubers tapped for this who could do a tremendous job of filling in these voids. I hope they cut them loose!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 0:05:19 GMT -5
No surprise there. They needed filler courses. What's important, is that we need to be able to customize the mode when it comes to courses. Otherwise, this mode is totaly ruined for players like me. There is just not going to be that I will play that mode with 21 fantasy courses. You get the career mode on USE where you can create a full schedule of RCR's - but I would bet the career mode could be customized - at least it should be IMO - but I'm not as worried about the career mode - don't think I ever finished it on 2019 after 2 years - too busy playing in societies / tours / etc... USE is not single player career mode. I have in every video golf game only played single player and very little online (just with friends), so when single player career mode has been bad or not in the game - I have rarely played the game even if I have it (like TGC1, Perfect Golf). The last good career mode was TW 08. So when I got TGC 2019 - I was hoping for a good single player game. What I got - was not a good career mode, because of two things mainly: fantasy courses and difficulty settings. This was the first game for me that forced bad fantasy courses in career mode, and it was totaly ruined after the first tournament on the web.com tour. So I have not played that mode more than the first tournament on the web.com tour because of fantasy courses. Single player career mode is the most important feature for me in a video golf game, and that is true for many others as well (in fact, the vast majority of players).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 1:37:28 GMT -5
Also if the single player career mode cannot be customised those same 36 courses are going to become tedious every season. Cannot fathom why you can't add your own courses and tournament name. I guess they see this as societies.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jul 30, 2020 2:19:08 GMT -5
Damn, now its private. Anybody clip this so it can be seen? I recorded it. Mine is also set to private, so PM me and I'll send you the link. Would you mind sending me it too please? Thanks in advance.
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Post by moneyman273 on Jul 30, 2020 7:58:43 GMT -5
I will pre order the deluxe version. Not going to fool myself. I’ve played this game constantly ever since it came into existence. The one question I always ask myself before buying a game is “will I really play it that much?” - the answer for me personally is obvious. I will get my money’s worth from this version just like I had from the previous 3 versions. Just being honest with myself here lol. I have no issue paying retail price for the game, I really only play a few games and $60 is well worth the investment for the hours I spend in the course designer (not that we know any info whatsoever re course designer lmao ~ these twats couldn't market free crack on the corner of Mack & Bewick).
That said, with the actions of hb_shauna in censoring a certain course name (Augusta National), without any notice [which essentially meant I could not edit my prior published courses since hb shauna stole them from my prior publish list] I am NOT going to purchase this next edition......
I will continue to update/improve my TGC2019 course designs (Augusta National & Oakland Hills South) until either:
A) hb_shauna apologizes to me personally along with all those he stole from and re-activates my access to editing my published Augusta in TGC19 (this option dwindles by the hour as I re-edit my version from TGC2 [lmao shauna never censored "Augusta" in the prior game]),
B) hb_shauna provides/gifts me a free copy of 2k21 or,
C) some community member(s) realize Augusta National & Oakland Hills are worth a mere $60 investment when others have paid $200+ for much less substantial courses.
This is my personal F off to hb shauna/alan bunker since Anthony Kyne left. You blokes get a thumbs down F- for how you've treated your most important customers.
I respect your thoughts. That being said, you'll not get what you are looking for. Wish you the best of luck though!
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 30, 2020 8:02:15 GMT -5
Glad to see real PGA members included on the leaderboards in career mode.
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Post by moneyman273 on Jul 30, 2020 8:15:05 GMT -5
On top of these it was announced today that 21 user created courses will be used in the career mode as well. www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-2k21-courses?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=golfdigest“I feel like we’ve done a fantastic job of recreating them as close as you can get,” said West. “I’ve never personally played any of them, but just from the detail we get from the scan data, the reference in video footage that the course and event provide to us and the months we’ve put into recreating them, I feel that this is the best version of any of these courses that people will have access to.” In addition to the 15 TPC licensed courses, there are also 21 user-generated courses carried over from the previous iteration of the game, The Golf Club 2019, which make up the rest of the 36-event schedule in the game’s PGA Tour career mode. “People get pretty creative with what they try to publish,” West says. “We have some of our favorites and some fan favorites and we’ve integrated them into the experience. No surprise there. They needed filler courses. What's important, is that we need to be able to customize the mode when it comes to courses. Otherwise, this mode is totaly ruined for players like me. There is just not going to be that I will play that mode with 21 fantasy courses. Not sure about your disdain for "fantasy" courses, but the community designers create amazing stuff and most of it is on a very realistic level. I could certainly understand your point of view if you said "arcadey" courses but I'd be shocked if the developer chose those for the career mode.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 8:41:55 GMT -5
No surprise there. They needed filler courses. What's important, is that we need to be able to customize the mode when it comes to courses. Otherwise, this mode is totaly ruined for players like me. There is just not going to be that I will play that mode with 21 fantasy courses. Not sure about your disdain for "fantasy" courses, but the community designers create amazing stuff and most of it is on a very realistic level. I could certainly understand your point of view if you said "arcadey" courses but I'd be shocked if the developer chose those for the career mode. There is no problem that we disagree on this. The game should give the gamer the option of choosing the courses he would like to have in the career mode. That way, everyone will be satisfied. You can add the fantasy courses you like, and I can add the real courses I like. And someone else can add what they like. Note that not all RCR's are good either. If you are curious as to why; from all the fantasy/fictional courses that I have played since the APCD in Links 2003 (and that has been some) - I have grown a general dislike of the fantasy/fictional courses over the years. I gave it a try on some in TGC 2019 - and I am positive on a some of them, but even from those, I can count on one hand the few courses I think is realistic enough for me to accept in a single player career mode in a game (perhaps one or two). From the official fantasy courses in TGC 2019 - no, not one. So your optimistic view on HB's selection has very low odds for me - and it is said that they will bring over official courses from TGC2019, not new fantasy courses - so as I don't like any of the official fantasy courses, the chances are non-existent. Remember, this is single player - and it is my experience and joy, not yours, not anyone elses. And since players don't like the same thing, and want different things - the game need to give the player the option for customization. In a golf game, that is easy when you have a course designer and tons of courses to choose from. Wouldn't you like to choose the fictional or real courses you would like to have in the single player career mode? TGC 2019 is the first video golf game I have played that forces fantasy courses on the player in the career mode. I got as far as four holes into the first fantasy course on the second tournament on the web.com tour before I had enough. I did have a look at the other official courses, and could tell right away that the mode was totaly ruined by this. So I created a thread on the HB forum to let the developers know that the lack of customization was not good and ruined the mode.
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Post by Royce on Jul 30, 2020 9:26:32 GMT -5
I have no issue paying retail price for the game, I really only play a few games and $60 is well worth the investment for the hours I spend in the course designer (not that we know any info whatsoever re course designer lmao ~ these twats couldn't market free crack on the corner of Mack & Bewick).
That said, with the actions of hb_shauna in censoring a certain course name (Augusta National), without any notice [which essentially meant I could not edit my prior published courses since hb shauna stole them from my prior publish list] I am NOT going to purchase this next edition......
I will continue to update/improve my TGC2019 course designs (Augusta National & Oakland Hills South) until either:
A) hb_shauna apologizes to me personally along with all those he stole from and re-activates my access to editing my published Augusta in TGC19 (this option dwindles by the hour as I re-edit my version from TGC2 [lmao shauna never censored "Augusta" in the prior game]),
B) hb_shauna provides/gifts me a free copy of 2k21 or,
C) some community member(s) realize Augusta National & Oakland Hills are worth a mere $60 investment when others have paid $200+ for much less substantial courses.
This is my personal F off to hb shauna/alan bunker since Anthony Kyne left. You blokes get a thumbs down F- for how you've treated your most important customers.
I respect your thoughts. That being said, you'll not get what you are looking for. Wish you the best of luck though! Yup that's cool, I have Augusta to play all for myself then
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Post by moneyman273 on Jul 30, 2020 9:32:27 GMT -5
Not sure about your disdain for "fantasy" courses, but the community designers create amazing stuff and most of it is on a very realistic level. I could certainly understand your point of view if you said "arcadey" courses but I'd be shocked if the developer chose those for the career mode. There is no problem that we disagree on this. The game should give the gamer the option of choosing the courses he would like to have in the career mode. That way, everyone will be satisfied. You can add the fantasy courses you like, and I can add the real courses I like. And someone else can add what they like. Note that not all RCR's are good either. If you are curious as to why; from all the fantasy/fictional courses that I have played since the APCD in Links 2003 (and that has been some) - I have grown a general dislike of the fantasy/fictional courses over the years. I gave it a try on some in TGC 2019 - and I am positive on a some of them, but even from those, I can count on one hand the few courses I think is realistic enough for me to accept in a single player career mode in a game (perhaps one or two). From the official fantasy courses in TGC 2019 - no, not one. So your optimistic view on HB's selection has very low odds for me - and it is said that they will bring over official courses from TGC2019, not new fantasy courses - so as I don't like any of the official fantasy courses, the chances are non-existent. Remember, this is single player - and it is my experience and joy, not yours, not anyone elses. And since players don't like the same thing, and want different things - the game need to give the player the option for customization. In a golf game, that is easy when you have a course designer and tons of courses to choose from. Wouldn't you like to choose the fictional or real courses you would like to have in the single player career mode? TGC 2019 is the first video golf game I have played that forces fantasy courses on the player in the career mode. I got as far as four holes into the first fantasy course on the second tournament on the web.com tour before I had enough. I did have a look at the other official courses, and could tell right away that the mode was totaly ruined by this. So I created a thread on the HB forum to let the developers know that the lack of customization was not good and ruined the mode. I hear you there. With all of the customization allowed, why not have the ability to customize your season to your personal liking? Personally, I'm fine with the 36 courses chosen as I'm sure there will be a great mix of everything. You may be the person who buys the game a few months into it's life cycle at a discounted price. Whatever you choose, it'll be good for you and that is all that matters.
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Post by yaters on Jul 30, 2020 9:55:58 GMT -5
I don't think you are going to get any customization options in the career mode. I only base my opinion on how it was structured in TGC2019 with the specialized presentation they included (in that case - commentary). I only went through it once, but if I remember correctly, they recorded sound bites describing the first hole for each course you played ( "...The first hole is a long par 4 into a narrow green surrounded by bunkers...blah blah..."). This version of the game looks to be ramping that up with cutscenes to action going on with your pro rivals. I doubt those are generated 'real-time' in any way and my guess is if you play it enough, they will start to repeat at some point.
Of course, the way around this is just to not include those aspects of the presentation if you choose your own lineup of courses to play. The producer decision here is to allow a degraded presentation (from HB/2k's point of view) to allow deeper customization OR make sure that presentation level is preserved and sacrifice the options they give users. More work to allow the customization obviously. They DID have a few years on this game, so hopefully I am wrong about my thoughts here. My gut just tells me this is a mode that has a specific end-to-end experience they will dictate for you and they did not build in the flexibility you are looking for.
I think their answer to this question would be for you to set up your own society or season mode or whatever other options they have. But the official My Player career mode can't be touched.
Just to be clear, I am not debating whether you should or shouldn't be able to do that. I am very much in favor of giving users full customization options. I would love to set up a career based on real courses used throughout the journey to the FedEx Cup....and then do it again with some of the amazing courses created by this community.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 10:16:50 GMT -5
I don't think you are going to get any customization options in the career mode. I only base my opinion on how it was structured in TGC2019 with the specialized presentation they included (in that case - commentary). I only went through it once, but if I remember correctly, they recorded sound bites describing the first hole for each course you played ( "...The first hole is a long par 4 into a narrow green surrounded by bunkers...blah blah..."). This version of the game looks to be ramping that up with cutscenes to action going on with your pro rivals. I doubt those are generated 'real-time' in any way and my guess is if you play it enough, they will start to repeat at some point. Of course, the way around this is just to not include those aspects of the presentation if you choose your own lineup of courses to play. The producer decision here is to allow a degraded presentation (from HB/2k's point of view) to allow deeper customization OR make sure that presentation level is preserved and sacrifice the options they give users. More work to allow the customization obviously. They DID have a few years on this game, so hopefully I am wrong about my thoughts here. My gut just tells me this is a mode that has a specific end-to-end experience they will dictate for you and they did not build in the flexibility you are looking for. I think their answer to this question would be for you to set up your own society or season mode or whatever other options they have. But the official My Player career mode can't be touched. Just to be clear, I am not debating whether you should or shouldn't be able to do that. I am very much in favor of giving users full customization options. I would love to set up a career based on real courses used throughout the journey to the FedEx Cup....and then do it again with some of the amazing courses created by this community. I find it at this time no reason to speculate. Either they have customization, or they don't. I gave them quite frank feedback on it, so I do hope they have listened. Customization and options is key to give the player a good gaming experience. Both in difficulty settings, other settings in the game, and schedule etc. I read that some think 6 difficulty levels is too much - because of matchmaking. Bah. There will be more than 6 levels - since you can combine swing difficulty with aids. You can have legendary swing difficulty, but amateur aids. Or you can have amateur swing difficulty and legendary aids - all of the combinations. This is good. Not bad. It makes it easier for the player to get a good experience from the game. I have already pre-ordered the game, and the reason for that is not the career mode (yes, that mode is the most important for me as a player). I have despite a terrible career mode in TGC 2019, and solo society with big flaws - got very good value out of this game. And the main reason for that, is Chad's fantastic lidar tool, and USE - combined with the most realistic golf gameplay so far in a video golf game. So I know that I will get value from the new game, despite a possible ruined single player career.
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 30, 2020 10:21:00 GMT -5
Not sure about your disdain for "fantasy" courses, but the community designers create amazing stuff and most of it is on a very realistic level. I could certainly understand your point of view if you said "arcadey" courses but I'd be shocked if the developer chose those for the career mode. There is no problem that we disagree on this. The game should give the gamer the option of choosing the courses he would like to have in the career mode. That way, everyone will be satisfied. You can add the fantasy courses you like, and I can add the real courses I like. And someone else can add what they like. Note that not all RCR's are good either. If you are curious as to why; from all the fantasy/fictional courses that I have played since the APCD in Links 2003 (and that has been some) - I have grown a general dislike of the fantasy/fictional courses over the years. I gave it a try on some in TGC 2019 - and I am positive on a some of them, but even from those, I can count on one hand the few courses I think is realistic enough for me to accept in a single player career mode in a game (perhaps one or two). From the official fantasy courses in TGC 2019 - no, not one. So your optimistic view on HB's selection has very low odds for me - and it is said that they will bring over official courses from TGC2019, not new fantasy courses - so as I don't like any of the official fantasy courses, the chances are non-existent. Remember, this is single player - and it is my experience and joy, not yours, not anyone elses. And since players don't like the same thing, and want different things - the game need to give the player the option for customization. In a golf game, that is easy when you have a course designer and tons of courses to choose from. Wouldn't you like to choose the fictional or real courses you would like to have in the single player career mode? TGC 2019 is the first video golf game I have played that forces fantasy courses on the player in the career mode. I got as far as four holes into the first fantasy course on the second tournament on the web.com tour before I had enough. I did have a look at the other official courses, and could tell right away that the mode was totaly ruined by this. So I created a thread on the HB forum to let the developers know that the lack of customization was not good and ruined the mode. You haven’t played enough courses.... there are easily 100s of fictional courses that could pass for a RCR...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 10:25:06 GMT -5
There is no problem that we disagree on this. The game should give the gamer the option of choosing the courses he would like to have in the career mode. That way, everyone will be satisfied. You can add the fantasy courses you like, and I can add the real courses I like. And someone else can add what they like. Note that not all RCR's are good either. If you are curious as to why; from all the fantasy/fictional courses that I have played since the APCD in Links 2003 (and that has been some) - I have grown a general dislike of the fantasy/fictional courses over the years. I gave it a try on some in TGC 2019 - and I am positive on a some of them, but even from those, I can count on one hand the few courses I think is realistic enough for me to accept in a single player career mode in a game (perhaps one or two). From the official fantasy courses in TGC 2019 - no, not one. So your optimistic view on HB's selection has very low odds for me - and it is said that they will bring over official courses from TGC2019, not new fantasy courses - so as I don't like any of the official fantasy courses, the chances are non-existent. Remember, this is single player - and it is my experience and joy, not yours, not anyone elses. And since players don't like the same thing, and want different things - the game need to give the player the option for customization. In a golf game, that is easy when you have a course designer and tons of courses to choose from. Wouldn't you like to choose the fictional or real courses you would like to have in the single player career mode? TGC 2019 is the first video golf game I have played that forces fantasy courses on the player in the career mode. I got as far as four holes into the first fantasy course on the second tournament on the web.com tour before I had enough. I did have a look at the other official courses, and could tell right away that the mode was totaly ruined by this. So I created a thread on the HB forum to let the developers know that the lack of customization was not good and ruined the mode. You haven’t played enough courses.... there are easily 100s of fictional courses that could pass for a RCR... We simply disagree - and that is no problem (over the years - I have played too many fictional courses - also in this game, and also watched others play some fictional courses from the different tours and societies).
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