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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 28, 2020 17:06:07 GMT -5
Hey Taylor...I think you inadvertently made a point that's opposite of your intention. The fact is there are people who like certain components and people who dislike those same things, such as high wind, or very firm greens, etc... There are also folks who are adamant that -60 for a tourney is too low, while others see it simply as a function of the game. There's no pleasing everyone but to label it arrogance or personal bias...well, isn't that exactly what you're exercising stating you don't want high winds? Trust me, I'm a guy who's WGR is falling fast because I cannot get a straight line when I swing, and so high winds creates havoc...I'm not a big fan. But playing in no wind...I can't even make a cut because the cut line is -22 or even lower. So what's the trick here? How does a scheduler appease everyone? He can't, simply stated. So while you don't have to like every setup, keep in mind no matter what, there are those who hate it and those who like it...and the same applies to the choice in courses. And certainly Tyler has his own thoughts on how tourneys should be played...but I also know he's hearing the feedback and trying to please the majority. Two realities: 1- We all play the same conditions and that's more than can be said in real life golf 2- Tyler stepped up and volunteered...and for doing that I think everyone owes him a bit of latitude as he figures out how best to provide structure to keep the majority happy. For what it's worth I think he does this pretty well...but the unhappy minority is always the most vocal (see any social media ever!). I think you misunderstood my point. My only issue is with the Very High winds. Not the High winds. My point is that in the last 4 weeks we've seen Very High winds in every tournament (save maybe one) and the reasoning is that it's the only way to truly challenge the elite players. That's an opinion. It's also the opinion of a guy who plays on the widely known and accepted easiest platform who also has API issues. Let me ask this. Why is flicking not allowed then? It's in the game and can be learned (it's not a hack). Why do we ban that? Why do we not allow the use of the push/pull swing? Also not a hack. Why don't we play in the rain? There are things in this game we all seem to acknowledge don't work the way "the game is meant to" but we draw the line on other things? We choose to enforce rules. Tyler in this case has no issues with VH winds so he wants to use them. That's fine, he's the scheduler and its his choice. I get it, this is the PS4 good old boys tour and if you ain't one of us, GTFO. I'll keep my opinions to myself regarding the PGA tour from now on and just count my blessings I'm allowed to participate. Gee thanks fellas! Flicking is a hack. It’s the biggest hack. If you flick, every shot is a minuscule push, whether you pull it or not your feedback is a tiny push and you can max loft without issue. It’s the most broken thing in the game. Edit - push pull is the second biggest hack... I can’t explain it again. I have no idea what correlation this has to playing a few rounds in very high wind.
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 28, 2020 17:11:32 GMT -5
Dale used Very High Winds maybe once or twice every 10 tournaments.... he relied more on default winds as a way to mix things up (since you can't really prepare for it). I think Tyler doesn't use very high winds maybe once or twice every 10 tournaments. I'd rather have option 1 than option 2... it produces a much better tournament. In the end it doesn't matter for me.. I only play courses that are set up well or will be fun to play... this week wasn't so I skipped it (problem is.. there's been a lot of that recently). We've played 5 tournaments that I've scheduled, 2 were scheduled without VH, 3 with. Of the 9 total I've entered counting future events. 5 with VH wind, 4 without. You started with Fenyard right? That didn't have very high winds... neither did Heritage... but at heritage you had three high rounds Lets look at it this way... Dale used 5 very high winds since the start of the season...We've had 6 in the last 6 weeks, and it'll be 8 in the last 7 weeks after next week.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 28, 2020 18:04:56 GMT -5
Searched “hurricane golf” while sitting out on the deck and somehow this came up, which makes no sense at all, but made me laugh hard enough that my neighbors asked me what I was watching - so just had to post it 🤣
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Apr 28, 2020 18:54:30 GMT -5
So I played my first round and was able to manage a -9. Pretty solid in those conditions and made some good up and downs from around the greens to save my round even though I did have a couple of bogeys.
For me personally, and just my opinion which isn't trying to discredit anyone else's, I didn't mind the very high winds. Not just because I played relatively well, but mainly because I felt the challenge brought a bit of a premium to getting birdies and made the up and downs really important. I've been to Quail Hollow in real life in gusty winds watching the pros play and they struggled so it brought a sense of realism in that effect. I think @spartan4knight is just trying to say that the very high winds can be treacherous for folks that are having tempo issues which XB1 players tend to be more prone to. A fast downswing for a right hand player in a right to left very high wind can be a bit of a death sentence lol. However, that being said, I also know that there is difficulty for the other consoles too, not saying that it's only for XB1. I feel for Tyler here too because I have seen it both ways. When the course conditions are too easy and it's a birdie fest, plenty of guys don't like that either. It's kind of a no-win situation for him. Reading thru the whole forum this week, I see where guys don't particularly care for Very High winds and I get it. I actually fall a bit on the side that they're OK as it does kind of seem to even out the scoreboard at the top at least. Tyler is trying his best I believe to make it fair and give people a fair shot in a game where it can be inherently unfair at times. I do see everyone's frustration and I get it, but I think that it's important that when we give the criticism it's not an attack, which for the most part I don't think that it is. I think some weeks set up better for some than others and that's how it is in real life. That's why PGA tour players IRL don't play every week because they need rest and some courses don't fit their eye. I think we all have chances to play well and we'll get there. Good luck to everyone still to play and shoot low boys!
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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 28, 2020 19:46:10 GMT -5
Can someone confirm or deny if Tyler actually knows which rounds have what wind velocity and what direction?
Sort of seems like a huge conflict of interest.
An easy solution would be to publish the exact round each happens in the forecast to even the playing field.
I realize he volunteered but just seems silly we obscure the data but let an elite player (that’s a compliment TD) have the insight before the tournament starts.
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Post by alexandre on Apr 29, 2020 7:05:38 GMT -5
I imagine he doesn't know. And it is certainly not he who posts the tournament. Even copying conditions, wind and direction are never the same. Publishers have access to some internal part of the game. If I set north wind, the tournament is between north and northeast or north and northwest. But having the exact value, the one who shoots close to the rectum will have a lot more advantage. You will be training until you find the sweet spot ... I don't think they would like to make this available ... Can someone confirm or deny if Tyler actually knows which rounds have what wind velocity and what direction? Sort of seems like a huge conflict of interest. An easy solution would be to publish the exact round each happens in the forecast to even the playing field. I realize he volunteered but just seems silly we obscure the data but let an elite player (that’s a compliment TD) have the insight before the tournament starts.
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Post by stoneysooner on Apr 29, 2020 7:12:20 GMT -5
Late to the party this week, but caught a heater with the putter this week here and in TST. Got my "medium" self in position to challenge for a win. I've been close before, and failed but perhaps after holing an eagle on the 16th in round 3 from the heavy rough with a 2 iron the TGCT PGA gods are with me.
-10 -12 -14
Who knows what the final round will hold for me, but I will say you won't see me out there practicing for the conditions. I'll come home from work, feed my pups and 2 year old, and fire up the PS4 to close out the week with my regular distractions during the round.
Best of luck to everyone that hasn't posted their score yet (including me)!
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Post by jtcurrent on Apr 29, 2020 10:24:15 GMT -5
Hey Taylor...I think you inadvertently made a point that's opposite of your intention. The fact is there are people who like certain components and people who dislike those same things, such as high wind, or very firm greens, etc... There are also folks who are adamant that -60 for a tourney is too low, while others see it simply as a function of the game. There's no pleasing everyone but to label it arrogance or personal bias...well, isn't that exactly what you're exercising stating you don't want high winds? Trust me, I'm a guy who's WGR is falling fast because I cannot get a straight line when I swing, and so high winds creates havoc...I'm not a big fan. But playing in no wind...I can't even make a cut because the cut line is -22 or even lower. So what's the trick here? How does a scheduler appease everyone? He can't, simply stated. So while you don't have to like every setup, keep in mind no matter what, there are those who hate it and those who like it...and the same applies to the choice in courses. And certainly Tyler has his own thoughts on how tourneys should be played...but I also know he's hearing the feedback and trying to please the majority. Two realities: 1- We all play the same conditions and that's more than can be said in real life golf 2- Tyler stepped up and volunteered...and for doing that I think everyone owes him a bit of latitude as he figures out how best to provide structure to keep the majority happy. For what it's worth I think he does this pretty well...but the unhappy minority is always the most vocal (see any social media ever!). I think you misunderstood my point. My only issue is with the Very High winds. Not the High winds. My point is that in the last 4 weeks we've seen Very High winds in every tournament (save maybe one) and the reasoning is that it's the only way to truly challenge the elite players. That's an opinion. It's also the opinion of a guy who plays on the widely known and accepted easiest platform who also has API issues. Let me ask this. Why is flicking not allowed then? It's in the game and can be learned (it's not a hack). Why do we ban that? Why do we not allow the use of the push/pull swing? Also not a hack. Why don't we play in the rain? There are things in this game we all seem to acknowledge don't work the way "the game is meant to" but we draw the line on other things? We choose to enforce rules. Tyler in this case has no issues with VH winds so he wants to use them. That's fine, he's the scheduler and its his choice. I get it, this is the PS4 good old boys tour and if you ain't one of us, GTFO. I'll keep my opinions to myself regarding the PGA tour from now on and just count my blessings I'm allowed to participate. Gee thanks fellas! You have a right to your opinions just as others have a right to theirs, and to disagree with yours. It doesn't mean you have to take your ball and go home. This community makes every attempt to appease the majority. If VH winds are used once per round, how is that different than slow greens, or no wind at all? It appears the VH winds are more challenging so some, you included, don't like it. I get that...I don't love it either. But just because you and I don't love it doesn't mean it should never be used. There are others who DO enjoy it. And if it's used once per round that's 25% of the time...hardly over-used. As for the other items you listed, I think that's been covered.
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Post by bassman70 on Apr 29, 2020 11:08:18 GMT -5
Stand back...looks like I made a cut and actually I played fairly well with my new swing...sitting at -17 after two rounds. I hope to end up somewhere around -30. Hoping that will be good enough for a finish near the top 25. Feels great to make a cut again
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 29, 2020 11:21:44 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood my point. My only issue is with the Very High winds. Not the High winds. My point is that in the last 4 weeks we've seen Very High winds in every tournament (save maybe one) and the reasoning is that it's the only way to truly challenge the elite players. That's an opinion. It's also the opinion of a guy who plays on the widely known and accepted easiest platform who also has API issues. Let me ask this. Why is flicking not allowed then? It's in the game and can be learned (it's not a hack). Why do we ban that? Why do we not allow the use of the push/pull swing? Also not a hack. Why don't we play in the rain? There are things in this game we all seem to acknowledge don't work the way "the game is meant to" but we draw the line on other things? We choose to enforce rules. Tyler in this case has no issues with VH winds so he wants to use them. That's fine, he's the scheduler and its his choice. I get it, this is the PS4 good old boys tour and if you ain't one of us, GTFO. I'll keep my opinions to myself regarding the PGA tour from now on and just count my blessings I'm allowed to participate. Gee thanks fellas! You have a right to your opinions just as others have a right to theirs, and to disagree with yours. It doesn't mean you have to take your ball and go home. This community makes every attempt to appease the majority. If VH winds are used once per round, how is that different than slow greens, or no wind at all? It appears the VH winds are more challenging so some, you included, don't like it. I get that...I don't love it either. But just because you and I don't love it doesn't mean it should never be used. There are others who DO enjoy it. And if it's used once per round that's 25% of the time...hardly over-used. As for the other items you listed, I think that's been covered. Please see my earlier post.... it is overused
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Post by alexandre on Apr 29, 2020 11:22:32 GMT -5
I think it you reaches -40 ! Round 3 is pretty easy (although I did a bogey in 10). Stand back...looks like I made a cut and actually I played fairly well with my new swing...sitting at -17 after two rounds. I hope to end up somewhere around -30. Hoping that will be good enough for a finish near the top 25. Feels great to make a cut again
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Post by MikeB on Apr 29, 2020 12:46:17 GMT -5
This is your problem... stop worrying about lowering the scores each week and worry more about creating an enjoyable experience. While the VH wind in round 1 may have been "fine"... it probably isn't enjoyable to the majority of the people in here. A big part of the enjoyable experience from feedback I've been viewing in here for years is reasonable scoring, so that is part of it. While I do want the tournament to be an enjoyable experience, part of the enjoyment on the PGA Tour should be challenging your game against the best players on the toughest courses. Go look at the 1st round leaderboard. Like it or not, very high winds is really the only way on the current version of the game to really toughen things up and it also tightens up the leaderboard substantially. I like it because I think most players on PGA can still grind out a 64 on very high winds but you're not going to have people go shoot 55 easily. On the low winds round, plenty of people will still shoot 64 but there will also be a bunch of 56's probably. Very high winds is the very firm greens of TGC1, it has to be used some to create any sort of test on what is supposed to be the top tour on the game. We don't need to equate enjoyable to difficulty or shooting low scores, because that's just never been the case around here. And 99.99% of the courses on this game will produce winning scores in the -60's and -70's and cuts in the -20's without high winds. I'm really looking forward to people complaining about next week at Sand Hills with 2 very high's. On a course the designer recommended never playing under high winds. On a course that regularly blows 30 mph in real life. The winner would probably shoot -72 with low winds but I guess that would be an enjoyable experience needing to birdie nearly every hole to make the cut and never missing a fairway or green. "I'm really looking forward to people complaining about next week at Sand Hills with 2 very high's. On a course the designer recommended never playing under high winds. On a course that regularly blows 30 mph in real life." Playing Very High wind on courses that play like that in real life is literally the argument. You put it in every week no matter the course or location. Playing a course like a links course with Very High wind will be nothing new or different from any other week.
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Post by jtcurrent on Apr 29, 2020 12:58:13 GMT -5
You have a right to your opinions just as others have a right to theirs, and to disagree with yours. It doesn't mean you have to take your ball and go home. This community makes every attempt to appease the majority. If VH winds are used once per round, how is that different than slow greens, or no wind at all? It appears the VH winds are more challenging so some, you included, don't like it. I get that...I don't love it either. But just because you and I don't love it doesn't mean it should never be used. There are others who DO enjoy it. And if it's used once per round that's 25% of the time...hardly over-used. As for the other items you listed, I think that's been covered. Please see my earlier post.... it is overused I know your stance. I disagree. Now what?
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 29, 2020 13:46:03 GMT -5
Please see my earlier post.... it is overused I know your stance. I disagree. Now what? It's not a stance.. it's a fact... 5 rounds from the first 28 weeks... versus (soon to be) 8 of the last 7?
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Post by Kenny on Apr 29, 2020 14:35:26 GMT -5
-9 -9 -10 -9 -37 for the week. R3 & R4 felt really scrappy and putter saved me a good few times. I’ll take that score for the week, maybe even sneak into top 20.
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