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Post by Doyley on Apr 13, 2020 13:01:34 GMT -5
It's hard. Don't come out of the cone and don't hit it straight ... If you do, suspicions about the player... Hy hopes to now no hopes in the majors after 3 failed attempts to Finnish in a row for Matthias. Seriously, people must be having major issues with keeping in the cone I wouldn't call it hard as 90% of the PGA Tour are not having an issue. It may have allowed some who are not as skilled at swinging in the cone to move up further than they should have though.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Apr 13, 2020 13:17:44 GMT -5
Good luck to all that are yet to play out here this week. I find this course to be difficult and historically I've struggled a bit with it. I like the challenge though. Having to play some draws an fades into the winds to find the right parts of the fairways and hitting precise approaches I think makes for a good challenge for the PGA players. The lighting is a little tough in R1 from what I've seen in practice but honestly I don't think it's too horrible. Just adds to the challenge a bit. I'm sure the majority of folks out here will have no problem navigating though. Hoping to follow my T14 in the Masters with some more solid play. Only time will tell. Enjoy and shoot it low out there guys!
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Post by unclevirt on Apr 13, 2020 13:24:02 GMT -5
It's not easy to start swinging straight after not doing it forever. You have to retrain your muscle/mind whatever to move in a different way. Imagine you changed your grip from a 10-finger to an overlap. It feels more like that. Its just relearning the swing aspect of the game essentially. Ask anyone who flicked and had to go through a swing change period. I bet its a similar feeling. That's just my point of view to counter the "it's easy to do it" argument.
Now, on the other hand, it's been deemed an exploit through a very long discussion and the rules have been adjusted accordingly. Its not about if its right/wrong anymore. It's wrong. So, anyone who does it needs to change, just like flickers had to (wasn't here for that but I assume it was something similar).
A simple tip that has helped me swing it straighter is to do the age old actual golf trick of picking a spot about a yard in front of the ball and swing at that. If you are bad at picking the center spot, use your grids for reference. It's helped me a lot.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 13, 2020 14:52:43 GMT -5
Plugged up ole glory after 10 holes of an atrocious practice round, and damn what a difference. Felt like riding a bike I’d actually been able to keep on 2 wheels. Fingers crossed.
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Post by alexandre on Apr 13, 2020 15:19:08 GMT -5
Okay, I won't bother you anymore. And I don't want a fight, argument or ban. This is my last post asking for any kind of explanation. I just need to understand. The cone is the whole blue line, right? In the four laps, who came in tenth place (excellent players) made 250 strokes. Eventually, unintentionally, they may have hit some direct shots and others from right to left, right? "Prohibited" shots. But I believe that there is an acceptable percentage, because we do not always control what we want to do. What is the acceptable margin of error? Or do all 250 photos have to fall within the blue line and not be straight? I already realized that it was no use recording my rounds. To stay inside the blue, I end up hitting some shots. It is easier to play on one side or the other. And my other controller (bought on the same day as ps4) fails over time. I don't even know if it's worth playing and getting into the daily fadgewacker count. If you can, answer. Thank you. Obs. The game itself is interesting because of this community. I believed her and that's why I have been so long. I helped little, with only 25 dollars. I know it's not much, but in my country it's worth 5 times more. It would be the equivalent, for an American, to spend $ 125 to help with maintenance. I know people come and go (COVID 19 shows this), but I would like to continue. It's hard. Don't come out of the cone and don't hit it straight ... If you do, suspicions about the player... I wouldn't call it hard as 90% of the PGA Tour are not having an issue. It may have allowed some who are not as skilled at swinging in the cone to move up further than they should have though.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 13, 2020 15:50:06 GMT -5
What is the acceptable margin of error? Or do all 250 photos have to fall within the blue line and not be straight?
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 13, 2020 16:13:26 GMT -5
There are certainly some who set lighting just to look pretty, but there are plenty of others who balance the views of a nice lighting setting with the playability variable of shadows on greens - either by lighting settings alone, or tree placement, or a combination of both. Even in the most densely planted of courses I've designed in the past, I always tried to keep shadows off of greens, or at least off of hole locations/areas, and I know there are a TON more designers who do the exact same (and better, obviously). Sure, definitely some cases when it's unavoidable, but I think you have to err on the side of a designers setup - especially when you are familiar with the designer and trust their approach to the design itself - more often than not. Just my opinion. On the golf side, I've always really loved this course, so it's going to be a bummer when I throw out another -5/-7 MC. Maybe I'll employ the Big Randy (NLU) "Mental Miss" strategy and see how that plays out... Agree with this. Most courses aren’t going to be an issue. I’ve mostly done two defaults and try to throw in a day with a bit of cloud as well so far as long as it looks nice and bright enough with that in the test. The main courses you have to be careful with are Delta themes. Those trees are just nauseating on the greens. I can recall wanting to throw up during a Players Championship one year.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Apr 13, 2020 16:33:51 GMT -5
Finished my rounds. First TGC tournament in a long time where I feel I really putted well. Did not hit it close enough to win but hopefully good enough for a top 10 and to stop my slide down the world rankings.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 13, 2020 16:38:13 GMT -5
The first test round I played was default lighting. Learned now that I have to reset the course in local matches if I’m playing a course back to back because otherwise it keeps the lighting from the first round no matter what. With that being said, I’m not usually just going to default lighting every round unless it’s a special circumstance with lighting like here. It makes everything repetitive and tied together. But the goal is always to have plenty of light. I hate dark courses and shadows as much as anyone. Thanks Tyler, I was getting tired of the repetition of playing golf courses with good lighting and was looking forward to them looking like sh#t sometimes. This week was vomit-inducing on the greens. Why are we messing with something that is not broken? You're better than this.
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Post by transversealho on Apr 13, 2020 16:53:23 GMT -5
Love Hilton head and the heritage. But really grinding on my new swing. Got help from admin. Much appreciated! I'm close, just gotta straighten a few more up. Have 2 pulls, taking this week off tgctour and play my usual societies. Tight course and not yet trusting my swing. Not a course to play with working on new swing. Making progress for I don't know what to call myself. Thought it was medium player, but maybe just a farm hand. And that's 👌. Good luck to all playing this week
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 13, 2020 17:36:54 GMT -5
Thanks Tyler, I was getting tired of the repetition of playing golf courses with good lighting and was looking forward to them looking like sh#t sometimes. This week was vomit-inducing on the greens. Why are we messing with something that is not broken? You're better than this. Matt's not wrong Tyler... Round 1 was really bad.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 13, 2020 17:42:19 GMT -5
Matt's not wrong Tyler... Round 1 was really bad. Almost like I said that in the second post in the thread myself and stated multiple times now why it happened. Thankfully you guys have finally brought it to my attention. Also, Matt taking my words and making a snarky post that completely twists words wasn't right at all.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Apr 13, 2020 18:56:53 GMT -5
Matt's not wrong Tyler... Round 1 was really bad. Almost like I said that in the second post in the thread myself and stated multiple times now why it happened. Thankfully you guys have finally brought it to my attention. Also, Matt taking my words and making a snarky post that completely twists words wasn't right at all. You're going to drive yourself crazy responding to every criticizing yahoo who posts. Just start off the weekly PGA thread with your reasoning and logic with course and conditions then log out for the rest of the week until the next event. Wash rinse repeat.
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Post by staypuft39 on Apr 13, 2020 19:14:19 GMT -5
Matt's not wrong Tyler... Round 1 was really bad. Almost like I said that in the second post in the thread myself and stated multiple times now why it happened. Thankfully you guys have finally brought it to my attention. Also, Matt taking my words and making a snarky post that completely twists words wasn't right at all. Your words "I'm not usually just going to default lighting". Anything other than default, is not planned for by 99% of designers and thus will look...not ideal. How can this be argued? It will just piss off designers when their courses look like junk on tour.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 13, 2020 20:11:15 GMT -5
Almost like I said that in the second post in the thread myself and stated multiple times now why it happened. Thankfully you guys have finally brought it to my attention. Also, Matt taking my words and making a snarky post that completely twists words wasn't right at all. Your words "I'm not usually just going to default lighting every round". Anything other than default, is not planned for by 99% of designers and thus will look...not ideal. How can this be argued? It will just piss off designers when their courses look like junk on tour. You left out the "every round" part. The standard across most tours from what I see is usually 2 defaults a tournament, which is probably what I'll settle into unless there're special circumstances. This week should've probably been one of those special circumstances because of the uniqueness of this course. But if you still felt the need to comment on that after I acknowledged the mistake and explained why it happened, there's nothing I can do. Regarding 99% of designers don't plan for anything other than default, that's on designers if that's the case. Lighting shouldn't be tweaked and fiddled with so hard that it looks terrible on anything but default. The inclination is likely way too low and I'll take that into account when picking a course if the only option is a hazed default. We've seen multiple people say already that super low lighting messes with frames, especially if trees are involved, and a lot of people don't prefer to play into a blinding sun on the horizon for 4 straight rounds. Good example of this is Quail Hollow in a couple weeks. By default it's a super hazy and lowly lighted course. Used it for one round but otherwise made it clear for the other three rounds. It's also a course that is simply going to have shadows on the greens no matter what you do with time of day or weather. Luckily rustic trees don't hurt the playability as bad as delta.
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