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Post by ErixonStone on Jul 12, 2020 20:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 12, 2020 22:13:35 GMT -5
Correct... but they don't continue to have the spreading virus that was feared with no shutdowns...
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Post by golferdude1994 on Jul 12, 2020 22:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 12, 2020 22:29:28 GMT -5
Kinda like here a few weeks ago when the headline read "Daily Deaths spiral out of control, up 100%"..... whne our deaths went from 2 to 4.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 23:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by golferdude1994 on Jul 13, 2020 0:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by cliffs on Jul 13, 2020 6:17:04 GMT -5
Only in America - Yellowstone National Park is in shutdown mode so they deputized the bears as essential workers
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 13, 2020 8:28:44 GMT -5
You are starting to sound like the incompetence coming from the White House. What’s up with that? What are you trying to criticize here? He’s not the one who called it a hoax. He’s not the one who said only 15 people have it and it will be down to zero in a week. He’s not the one holding rallies with thousands of people indoors that rails against masks and distancing. You do realize the dude is more knowledgeable about this stuff than any of us will ever be, right? Are you trying to get on his case because his determinations move with what new data reveals? (Which is completely opposite of what leadership is doing). I absolutely expect anyone to move their view when more information becomes available. When you have more info, you redefine the situation. You certainly don’t ignore it and call it a hoax (some people are STILL saying that). I do not understand the attack on Fauci. Dude provides the information that the White House refuses to tell us. If you want to go after someone for being disingenuous then you can start with Trump. He outright tells you lies on purpose about this virus yet THAT doesn’t bother you? You have absolutely nothing to say about that? Smh. Come on man, turn off those dumb asses at Fox News, they are not interested in any truth telling. They are interested in the same gaslighting that is being mimicked by your anti-Fauci posts. It’s ridiculous. How’s grandpa doing btw?
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 13, 2020 9:13:25 GMT -5
Correct... but they don't continue to have the spreading virus that was feared with no shutdowns... Because they’ve all died now. We have no more Swedes. Seriously though, they failed at herd immunity. People died that did not have to because of their ignorance. They would have had much less trauma and death if they ran shutdowns. Much less. I wish they would have protected themselves better. But that’s them , not us. We have our own set of problems with this virus that we can’t seem to deal with on a collective basis. If current trends continue we will see that 100k number reported in a day. But due to testing turnaround times being so jacked- because America can’t do anything sensibly when it comes to healthcare - we have no idea what the hell is going on daily. Our testing process is shameful. Some people are waiting weeks for results. If they are carrying then they are also spreading during that time. It also makes contact tracing worthless, too many contacts to recall at that point. Let me ask the gallery a question on the subject of contact tracing. If you received a call from a contact tracer who said that you were believed to have been in contact with someone that has tested positive, and they request that you also get tested AND quarantine yourself for 14 days, how does that work with your individual situations. Could you quarantine for 14 days? Can you even get a test?
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 13, 2020 11:16:16 GMT -5
Correct... but they don't continue to have the spreading virus that was feared with no shutdowns... Because they’ve all died now. We have no more Swedes. Seriously though, they failed at herd immunity. People died that did not have to because of their ignorance. They would have had much less trauma and death if they ran shutdowns. Much less. I wish they would have protected themselves better. But that’s them , not us. We have our own set of problems with this virus that we can’t seem to deal with on a collective basis. If current trends continue we will see that 100k number reported in a day. But due to testing turnaround times being so jacked- because America can’t do anything sensibly when it comes to healthcare - we have no idea what the hell is going on daily. Our testing process is shameful. Some people are waiting weeks for results. If they are carrying then they are also spreading during that time. It also makes contact tracing worthless, too many contacts to recall at that point. Let me ask the gallery a question on the subject of contact tracing. If you received a call from a contact tracer who said that you were believed to have been in contact with someone that has tested positive, and they request that you also get tested AND quarantine yourself for 14 days, how does that work with your individual situations. Could you quarantine for 14 days? Can you even get a test? I think this shows that they have herd immunity.. at the cost of more lives. We can debate the merits of that all day, but that's not what this post is about. I will 500% agree that testing is just whack. San Diego announced that they are eliminating most testing and only testing those with symptoms. This is due to the shortage of test and the extreme lag time in results. I want to answer your hypothetical... it may not be the most popular answer... but it depends on just what type of interaction I've had on whether or not I would even quarantine. If we're talking about prolonged indoor exposure where I was fairly close to the infected... sure I'm all in for a quarantine. I may, at that point, be more likely to get an antibody test if that were to happen. If we're talking about an interaction that was outdoors, where there was separation, or masks involved... I would not quarantine or get tested unless I presented with symptoms. That may or may not be a popular answer in this thread... we will see. I have my reasons for that. I am confident in my abilities to practice good hygiene, social distance, and use preventative measures. I wear a mask in public spaces, wash hands frequently when out and about, and really try and stay 6 feet away from anybody and everybody when possible. I would avoid contact with people who might be at risk, but I would not go as far as to lock myself away for 14 days unless the situation warranted it. This should come as no surprise to the readers of this thread since I have been on the no shutdown order from the beginning. We've never quarantined ourselves when we found out we've been exposed to the flu... this shouldn't be any different (I know I know I know.. this is not the flu.. lets not beat that horse again shall we.) I'm also pretty confident (if I had to attach a number to it, I'd say 80%) that I had covid in late January after returning from a cruise. I was really sick (not hospital bound or anything, but I was sick enough to visit a doctor).. I would put it up there with top 3 sicknesses I have experienced. My doctor, at the time, expected the flu and ran a flu panel. The results of which came back negative for A and B. Since I was on the mend, (and covid wasn't a real thing at the time), the issue was dropped and we moved on. Looking back, we (the doc and myself) think It may have been covid since it presented with all of the same symptoms that milder cases are presenting with (aches, fatigue, dry cough) I did not experience having a hard time breathing, but I did experiences a minor loss of the sense of taste and smell. I wouldn't call it a full loss, but it was definitely altered. People in the facebook group have reported similar symptoms and a few have had an antibody test and it's come back positive. This doesn't mean of course that I had covid, but combining these things together makes me believe it. So based on all of that, I would choose to continue life as normal with taking stricter personal restrictions rather than quarantining unless I had direct, long term exposure with somebody who is either symptomatic or tests positive (at this point, that would literally only be my wife... I can't think of anybody else who I've been with where I would worry).
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Post by boffo on Jul 13, 2020 13:39:46 GMT -5
Most of Ontario will be moving into stage 3 on Friday. The main things that will be reopening with that are bars, gyms, cinemas, outdoor playgrounds, and indoor seating at restaurants. Would have been nice if they would have gone ahead and made masks mandatory at the same time. A lot of cities or counties have done it individually but it just seems like it would be easier and safer for everyone to just make it province wide.
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Post by lions67 on Jul 13, 2020 13:52:21 GMT -5
13 straight days now with no new cases in Manitoba. We are rolling along very nicely. We wear masks and we socially distance ourselves. Take notes USA. This is how it’s done.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 13, 2020 15:11:42 GMT -5
Because they’ve all died now. We have no more Swedes. Seriously though, they failed at herd immunity. People died that did not have to because of their ignorance. They would have had much less trauma and death if they ran shutdowns. Much less. I wish they would have protected themselves better. But that’s them , not us. We have our own set of problems with this virus that we can’t seem to deal with on a collective basis. If current trends continue we will see that 100k number reported in a day. But due to testing turnaround times being so jacked- because America can’t do anything sensibly when it comes to healthcare - we have no idea what the hell is going on daily. Our testing process is shameful. Some people are waiting weeks for results. If they are carrying then they are also spreading during that time. It also makes contact tracing worthless, too many contacts to recall at that point. Let me ask the gallery a question on the subject of contact tracing. If you received a call from a contact tracer who said that you were believed to have been in contact with someone that has tested positive, and they request that you also get tested AND quarantine yourself for 14 days, how does that work with your individual situations. Could you quarantine for 14 days? Can you even get a test? I think this shows that they have herd immunity.. at the cost of more lives. We can debate the merits of that all day, but that's not what this post is about. I will 500% agree that testing is just whack. San Diego announced that they are eliminating most testing and only testing those with symptoms. This is due to the shortage of test and the extreme lag time in results. I want to answer your hypothetical... it may not be the most popular answer... but it depends on just what type of interaction I've had on whether or not I would even quarantine. If we're talking about prolonged indoor exposure where I was fairly close to the infected... sure I'm all in for a quarantine. I may, at that point, be more likely to get an antibody test if that were to happen. If we're talking about an interaction that was outdoors, where there was separation, or masks involved... I would not quarantine or get tested unless I presented with symptoms. That may or may not be a popular answer in this thread... we will see. I have my reasons for that. I am confident in my abilities to practice good hygiene, social distance, and use preventative measures. I wear a mask in public spaces, wash hands frequently when out and about, and really try and stay 6 feet away from anybody and everybody when possible. I would avoid contact with people who might be at risk, but I would not go as far as to lock myself away for 14 days unless the situation warranted it. This should come as no surprise to the readers of this thread since I have been on the no shutdown order from the beginning. We've never quarantined ourselves when we found out we've been exposed to the flu... this shouldn't be any different (I know I know I know.. this is not the flu.. lets not beat that horse again shall we.) I'm also pretty confident (if I had to attach a number to it, I'd say 80%) that I had covid in late January after returning from a cruise. I was really sick (not hospital bound or anything, but I was sick enough to visit a doctor).. I would put it up there with top 3 sicknesses I have experienced. My doctor, at the time, expected the flu and ran a flu panel. The results of which came back negative for A and B. Since I was on the mend, (and covid wasn't a real thing at the time), the issue was dropped and we moved on. Looking back, we (the doc and myself) think It may have been covid since it presented with all of the same symptoms that milder cases are presenting with (aches, fatigue, dry cough) I did not experience having a hard time breathing, but I did experiences a minor loss of the sense of taste and smell. I wouldn't call it a full loss, but it was definitely altered. People in the facebook group have reported similar symptoms and a few have had an antibody test and it's come back positive. This doesn't mean of course that I had covid, but combining these things together makes me believe it. So based on all of that, I would choose to continue life as normal with taking stricter personal restrictions rather than quarantining unless I had direct, long term exposure with somebody who is either symptomatic or tests positive (at this point, that would literally only be my wife... I can't think of anybody else who I've been with where I would worry). So you have no problem possibly putting someone else on their death bed? Do I have that right? For the sake of example, let’s change the scenario since the previous may be too broad. Let’s say it was your child had testes positive at school. The test was 3 days ago and you are just now finding out the child is carrying. Your entire household is now asked to quarantine. How does that play out? For the record, there is no easy answer here. It should also be noted that research is now finding out that antibodies are fading away quickly from the body and reinfection is possible. I saw Tom Hanks interviewed the other day and he said this same thing for he and his wife. Their latest check up found less antibodies in their systems.
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Post by boffo on Jul 13, 2020 15:48:37 GMT -5
13 straight days now with no new cases in Manitoba. We are rolling along very nicely. We wear masks and we socially distance ourselves. Take notes USA. This is how it’s done. A province where more than half its' population lives in one city can finally say they social distance well. Congrats.
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 13, 2020 16:18:36 GMT -5
I think this shows that they have herd immunity.. at the cost of more lives. We can debate the merits of that all day, but that's not what this post is about. I will 500% agree that testing is just whack. San Diego announced that they are eliminating most testing and only testing those with symptoms. This is due to the shortage of test and the extreme lag time in results. I want to answer your hypothetical... it may not be the most popular answer... but it depends on just what type of interaction I've had on whether or not I would even quarantine. If we're talking about prolonged indoor exposure where I was fairly close to the infected... sure I'm all in for a quarantine. I may, at that point, be more likely to get an antibody test if that were to happen. If we're talking about an interaction that was outdoors, where there was separation, or masks involved... I would not quarantine or get tested unless I presented with symptoms. That may or may not be a popular answer in this thread... we will see. I have my reasons for that. I am confident in my abilities to practice good hygiene, social distance, and use preventative measures. I wear a mask in public spaces, wash hands frequently when out and about, and really try and stay 6 feet away from anybody and everybody when possible. I would avoid contact with people who might be at risk, but I would not go as far as to lock myself away for 14 days unless the situation warranted it. This should come as no surprise to the readers of this thread since I have been on the no shutdown order from the beginning. We've never quarantined ourselves when we found out we've been exposed to the flu... this shouldn't be any different (I know I know I know.. this is not the flu.. lets not beat that horse again shall we.) I'm also pretty confident (if I had to attach a number to it, I'd say 80%) that I had covid in late January after returning from a cruise. I was really sick (not hospital bound or anything, but I was sick enough to visit a doctor).. I would put it up there with top 3 sicknesses I have experienced. My doctor, at the time, expected the flu and ran a flu panel. The results of which came back negative for A and B. Since I was on the mend, (and covid wasn't a real thing at the time), the issue was dropped and we moved on. Looking back, we (the doc and myself) think It may have been covid since it presented with all of the same symptoms that milder cases are presenting with (aches, fatigue, dry cough) I did not experience having a hard time breathing, but I did experiences a minor loss of the sense of taste and smell. I wouldn't call it a full loss, but it was definitely altered. People in the facebook group have reported similar symptoms and a few have had an antibody test and it's come back positive. This doesn't mean of course that I had covid, but combining these things together makes me believe it. So based on all of that, I would choose to continue life as normal with taking stricter personal restrictions rather than quarantining unless I had direct, long term exposure with somebody who is either symptomatic or tests positive (at this point, that would literally only be my wife... I can't think of anybody else who I've been with where I would worry). So you have no problem possibly putting someone else on their death bed? Do I have that right? For the sake of example, let’s change the scenario since the previous may be too broad. Let’s say it was your child had testes positive at school. The test was 3 days ago and you are just now finding out the child is carrying. Your entire household is now asked to quarantine. How does that play out? For the record, there is no easy answer here. It should also be noted that research is now finding out that antibodies are fading away quickly from the body and reinfection is possible. I saw Tom Hanks interviewed the other day and he said this same thing for he and his wife. Their latest check up found less antibodies in their systems. Child ( or any house family) with symptoms that tests positive would be an auto quarantine... honestly right now any symptoms, test or no test, is a quarantine. A no symptoms positive would probably at least get me to go get tested (providing I could), but I wouldn't necessarily quarantine right away... I would also have whoever tested positive be re tested... but I'd be a lot more restrictive and cautious until results of said test were known.
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