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Long Grass
Mar 18, 2020 11:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by OldSouled on Mar 18, 2020 11:48:42 GMT -5
I have a couple questions about long grasses. Not quite sure how to ask but I will attempt.
Before I start, I know there are grasses that can be seen better from far away and I usually try to choose those. But I’m wondering if there is a size of long grass that is suggested in order for it to be seen from far away and also for it to load well in the flyover?
And part 2 (3,4 etc) of that is...how do I design for grasses to be viewed on different consoles? I am working on an Xbox and my grasses will probably look worse to me on flyover than someone that has graphics turned up on pc. What audience am I designing for? What is the limit of grass size? Is it a lost cause to try to make long grass look good to me on Xbox? Do I just need to keep increasing the size until it looks good on flyover?
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Post by lessthanbread on Mar 18, 2020 15:23:55 GMT -5
I would not try to make your grass big enough to be seen from afar on Xbox because up close it will look way too big to be realistic on any platform. The important thing is to keep everything to a realistic scale regardless of when it shows up on screen. Your audience will be all across the board so there really is no perfect way to do it. I don’t think there is a limit to how big you can make objects. Quality long grass is something that is really lacking in TGC and is very hard to work around
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Long Grass
Mar 18, 2020 16:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by OldSouled on Mar 18, 2020 16:37:49 GMT -5
I would not try to make your grass big enough to be seen from afar on Xbox because up close it will look way too big to be realistic on any platform. The important thing is to keep everything to a realistic scale regardless of when it shows up on screen. Your audience will be all across the board so there really is no perfect way to do it. I don’t think there is a limit to how big you can make objects. Quality long grass is something that is really lacking in TGC and is very hard to work around Cool thanks for the insight. I’ve settled on a middle ground today that I feel is reasonable for dune type grass in highland theme. Near the ocean some of that can get fairly tall. But while playing around with it I can see where making it bigger than the level I settled on makes it look unrealistic.
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Post by linkslover on Mar 19, 2020 2:55:52 GMT -5
I often design links courses and getting grass right is nigh on impossible simply due to what you mention - the fact you can't see it from a distance. What I end up doing is spam planting smaller grass to bulk it out, then multi plant grass on top of it to make it look more realistic when you can see it. This way you can plant an absolute sh%$ load of it and not fill your plant meter after 3 holes.
You can't get it to show up at a distance though. Making it very tall so it does just makes it look ridiculous when you are close to it so isn't worth it.
On a tangent, gorse is another problem. In the game it is way to easy to play out of it. In real life you wouldn't even contemplate going into it to find your ball.
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Post by b101 on Mar 19, 2020 12:05:47 GMT -5
I disagree with the comments about - it's doable, but you've got to be savvy about how you do it. Case in point: Main ways are: - Never multiplant. This has to be single planted and it's time consuming. - Stagger the height of the grasses. Have HUGE grasses in the middle of your planted area to fill it out, but gradually getting to normal height around the playable surfaces. - Better if you can break it up with bushes or global plants (as they have higher draw distances) as well, but not necessarily. Helps if all of your surfaces are scaled up (i.e. everything is big), but again, this is tough to get right and takes practice/experience. - Choose a high draw grass (not available in all themes, but there are particularly good ones in Steppe, Boreal, Harvest and Countryside).
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Long Grass
Mar 19, 2020 12:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by OldSouled on Mar 19, 2020 12:44:48 GMT -5
I disagree with the comments about - it's doable, but you've got to be savvy about how you do it. Case in point: Main ways are: - Never multiplant. This has to be single planted and it's time consuming. - Stagger the height of the grasses. Have HUGE grasses in the middle of your planted area to fill it out, but gradually getting to normal height around the playable surfaces. - Better if you can break it up with bushes or global plants (as they have higher draw distances) as well, but not necessarily. Helps if all of your surfaces are scaled up (i.e. everything is big), but again, this is tough to get right and takes practice/experience. - Choose a high draw grass (not available in all themes, but there are particularly good ones in Steppe, Boreal, Harvest and Countryside). Awesome thanks
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Post by lessthanbread on Mar 19, 2020 13:11:20 GMT -5
I disagree with the comments about - it's doable, but you've got to be savvy about how you do it. Case in point: Main ways are: - Never multiplant. This has to be single planted and it's time consuming. - Stagger the height of the grasses. Have HUGE grasses in the middle of your planted area to fill it out, but gradually getting to normal height around the playable surfaces. - Better if you can break it up with bushes or global plants (as they have higher draw distances) as well, but not necessarily. Helps if all of your surfaces are scaled up (i.e. everything is big), but again, this is tough to get right and takes practice/experience. - Choose a high draw grass (not available in all themes, but there are particularly good ones in Steppe, Boreal, Harvest and Countryside). Easy for you to say, you design on PC
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Post by b101 on Mar 19, 2020 13:13:58 GMT -5
I disagree with the comments about - it's doable, but you've got to be savvy about how you do it. Case in point: Main ways are: - Never multiplant. This has to be single planted and it's time consuming. - Stagger the height of the grasses. Have HUGE grasses in the middle of your planted area to fill it out, but gradually getting to normal height around the playable surfaces. - Better if you can break it up with bushes or global plants (as they have higher draw distances) as well, but not necessarily. Helps if all of your surfaces are scaled up (i.e. everything is big), but again, this is tough to get right and takes practice/experience. - Choose a high draw grass (not available in all themes, but there are particularly good ones in Steppe, Boreal, Harvest and Countryside). Easy for you to say, you design on PC It helps, for sure. I would argue though that spam planting is all the more important on console though - I’ve done my time there and it’s a must. Enlarge grass, spin and rapid click whilst you move.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Mar 19, 2020 13:53:06 GMT -5
It helps, for sure. I would argue though that spam planting is all the more important on console though - I’ve done my time there and it’s a must. Enlarge grass, spin and rapid click whilst you move. Ben, I would love to able to do better spam planting, but it seems like you need three thumbs to do it. I cannot successfully rotate and move at the same time.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 19, 2020 14:26:29 GMT -5
It helps, for sure. I would argue though that spam planting is all the more important on console though - I’ve done my time there and it’s a must. Enlarge grass, spin and rapid click whilst you move. Ben, I would love to able to do better spam planting, but it seems like you need three thumbs to do it. I cannot successfully rotate and move at the same time. remap your controller, change the rotate button to a more comfortable position, plant a bunch and switch it back. I know on ps4 it takes like 10 seconds to switch back and forth between standard and custom button mapping.
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Post by b101 on Mar 19, 2020 15:11:11 GMT -5
PS4 controller or Xbox? Totally doable on PS4 - left finger on arrow, left thumb to move and right thumb to spam X.
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Long Grass
Mar 19, 2020 15:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 19, 2020 15:19:18 GMT -5
I usually use my knuckle on the left arrow. But with a little carpal tunnel in my left wrist, some days that's not fun. So if your in the same boat as me, for comfort sake, it is possible to change the buttons.
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Post by OldSouled on Mar 19, 2020 16:16:47 GMT -5
Ben, I would love to able to do better spam planting, but it seems like you need three thumbs to do it. I cannot successfully rotate and move at the same time. remap your controller, change the rotate button to a more comfortable position, plant a bunch and switch it back. I know on ps4 it takes like 10 seconds to switch back and forth between standard and custom button mapping. This just changed everything for me. On Xbox I just changed the right d pad arrow to RB and problem solved for me. Thanks for the tip!
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Post by linkslover on Mar 20, 2020 2:47:00 GMT -5
PS4 controller or Xbox? Totally doable on PS4 - left finger on arrow, left thumb to move and right thumb to spam X. I can't use this method. I tore my flexor tendon that goes to the knuckle in my right thumb many years ago so I can't bend my thumb at the knuckle near the nail. I had to learn a whole new technique of writing after recovery as well as develop my own unique grip for playing golf among other things. I also drink left handed now as it's easier to hold the glass for me despite being right handed. This was very useful when we used to play drinking games and the left handed drinking rule came in.
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